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Jale vindicated and Chris a hypocrite. Video proof.
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yellowlabbie
22-07-2014
Originally Posted by Bagshot85:
“Not sure what the point about Jale is.
Jale didn't do what Chris is doing.
She over-played the victim card, then couldn't wait to be in with the cool gang...at the expense of the ppl who weren't rude to her from the start.”

It's that simple.
dialectic
22-07-2014
Originally Posted by Bagshot85:
“Not sure what the point about Jale is.
Jale didn't do what Chris is doing.
She over-played the victim card, then couldn't wait to be in with the cool gang...at the expense of the ppl who weren't rude to her from the start.”

Explain how/when she did this?
Ashleigh and Danielle were the only ones in there to assume victim roles as and when it suited them.
BROXI BEAR
22-07-2014
Originally Posted by Bagshot85:
“Not sure what the point about Jale is.
Jale didn't do what Chris is doing.
She over-played the victim card, then couldn't wait to be in with the cool gang...at the expense of the ppl who weren't rude to her from the start.”

The Jale fans won't have any of that.
craton
22-07-2014
Was Jale the sanctimonious, condescending, preaching, drama queening, suck-up to the bullies who prattled on about angels, spirit guides, paradigm shifts and other dribbling nonsense in between lecturing weaker HMs before ignominiously getting the boot? That Jale?
basia
22-07-2014
Originally Posted by trevor tiger:
“I think you're putting too much emphasis on the word 'quite'. I'm not saying he adores them but I don't think 'quite' means it isn't proper or real. Anyway Jale only quite liked Helen when she started to speak to her which she did because she wanted to give everyone a chance. I always thought it was quite admirable but sadly it was used against her in quite a nasty and unpleasant way.”

Originally Posted by IoanaP:
“From July 2nd in this discussion”

Ok, sorry if I seemed obtuse. I get it. I was listening to what Chris said in the clip purely within the context of it being a conversation about PHMs having to bluff. I didn't like the talk about Jale brown-nosing either.
yellowlabbie
22-07-2014
Originally Posted by craton:
“Was Jale the sanctimonious, condescending, preaching, drama queening, suck-up to the bullies who prattled on about angels, spirit guides, paradigm shifts and other dribbling nonsense in between lecturing weaker HMs before ignominiously getting the boot? That Jale?”

That's the Jale I remember.
AOTB
22-07-2014
Originally Posted by craton:
“Was Jale the sanctimonious, condescending, preaching, drama queening, suck-up to the bullies who prattled on about angels, spirit guides, paradigm shifts and other dribbling nonsense in between lecturing weaker HMs before ignominiously getting the boot? That Jale?”

Nah, I think they are talking about the one who was in this year.

You know the one- the poor victimised HM who tried to be the bigger person by showing forgiveness to her tormentors and trying to get on with them only to be thrown under the bus by her HM friends.
After being retrieved from under the bus she then fell victim to 'up Helen's bum-gate' and was thrown back under the bus by her previously loyal internet fan base.

Poor 'double squashed by a bus' Jale.
Sasparella
22-07-2014
Originally Posted by shelleyj89:
“The issue Chris had was Jale becoming pally with the people who had made her life hell in there the first few weeks. She seemingly forgot just how badly they had treated her, as they had "accepted" her.

Chris, whilst maybe not particularly liking them, has never been treated by them in the way Jale was.

So the two situations are completely different.”

Then it just shows that Jale was more grown up than Chris in trying to get on with everyone, apparently he was allowed to do it but wouldn't allow her to ? I really liked Chris to start with, but over the weeks more and more of his true self is showing, and it's not the nice self that he keeps telling us that he has..
jim_lyons
22-07-2014
I demand a full public inquiry, and a complete re-run of this series from scratch. This is the final straw and a shameful outrage.
Bagshot85
22-07-2014
Originally Posted by dialectic:
“Explain how/when she did this?
Ashleigh and Danielle were the only ones in there to assume victim roles as and when it suited them.”

When she'd sit outside looking all forlorn, knowing exactly how it looked...proved by her encouraging Winston to go back inside and join his friends, when he was perfectly happy to sit with her.
Accidently on purpose applying Helen's lip balm..just as she was walking past Helen. Her reaction to Helen calling her up on it was shifty too, imo. She knew it wasn't her's, why take it and store it on her pocket?
Her taking so much off Pauline, the tears etc..when she didn't have any problem with rounding on the likes of Chris, Marlon and Christopher.
Her claiming Chris was 'holding her hostage' just because she want to blab about knowing who was the phm to the cool gang. It wasn't due to them thinking it was her, 'cause they basically blamed everyone in there.


I could go on, but my coffee is getting cold, and my KitKat is looking pretty inviting.
dialectic
22-07-2014
Originally Posted by Bagshot85:
“When she'd sit outside looking all forlorn, knowing exactly how it looked...proved by her encouraging Winston to go back inside and join his friends, when he was perfectly happy to sit with her.
Accidently on purpose applying Helen's lip balm..just as she was walking past Helen. Her reaction to Helen calling her up on it was shifty too, imo. She knew it wasn't her's, why take it and store it on her pocket?
Her taking so much off Pauline, the tears etc..when she didn't have any problem with rounding on the likes of Chris, Marlon and Christopher.
Her claiming Chris was 'holding her hostage' just because she want to blab about knowing who was the phm to the cool gang. It wasn't due to them thinking it was her, 'cause they basically blamed everyone in there.


I could go on, but my coffee is getting cold, and my KitKat is looking pretty inviting.”


Firstly, she wasn't isolating herself from the group; she actually was alone, but rose to the challenge of extricating herself from this situation and, IMO, did so with maturity and strength. You'd be surprised at the amount of people on here who would have preferred if she had remained alone and friendless
Ashleigh and Danielle have, however, chose their pitiable isolation.

You have interpreted the lip balm incident in a way that suits your agenda. It was more likely a mistake and Helen was just a bitch and looking for any excuse to get at Jale. That was her agenda, which was similar to Pauline's - to wind Jale up in the hope that she would explode.

This neatly ties in to your issue that ''..she was taking so much off Pauline''
I thought Jale handled Pauline magnificently and didn't fall prey to her dirty tricks.
When Jale confronted Pauline one morning with regard to Pauline's comments about the bedclothes, she stood her ground with maturity whilst Pauline ran screeching into the bedroom claiming that she would never speak to big bad Jale again. Poor Pauline Your criticism that she ''rounded'' on Chris Marlon and Christopher (poor dears!) is laughable and a weak attempt to paint them as victims.

I think the situation with Chris and Jale has been done to death on here and we will never fully know what that understanding/misunderstanding was between them and I do not think that Jale betrayed his trust as she told no-one but Chris' friends, so did no damage to him whatsoever. She felt he betrayed a trust by not being honest. There really is nothing more to it.
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