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Why does Christopher always get the short end of the stick?
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Violet_Blue
23-07-2014
[quote=SpiritedAway;73866379]No, dear. I ignored your point because it was baseless. You're restating the same things without supplying examples. Fair enough, but that's just your interpretation, not gospel. And blanket statements like, "He has shown self respect" and "He is resilient" certainly aren't convincing enough to sway my mind. Btw, I think I'm sufficiently learned in human nature. But thanks for the lesson anyhow.

I've given examples of his reactions (like crying to Pauline and stating himself that he can't cope with being isolated [they weren't arguing with him then, they were merely ignoring him]) IMO exceeding how your average well-adjusted person with the human need for acceptance would handle it. The original question posed asked why Christopher is being treated shoddily; my original answer was because he allows it. I arrived to that conclusion based on the behavior and examples I've since detailed. I think Christopher is a genuinely nice guy, but he tries. too. hard. Just like he has been trying for years to get in a relationship. Speaking from personal experience, his attitude is a bit of a turnoff and I can identify with the housemates on those grounds which is why I replied in the first place.

You're right that I made sweeping statements without backing them up so If I may I'll do that now. He's shown he has self respect when he has stood up to Helen after she threw her hissy fit after not getting her invitation to the party and stood his ground. I'm not saying he's always 100% on point with standing up for himself and he should do it more but just because he doesn't yell and scream over people doesn't mean he doesn't have the capacity to. He's shown resilience because he never stops trying to get the most of the experience and takes everything on the chin even when things don't go his way. When Toya nominated him as her power nomination he just got on with it unlike Ash, Winston and Steve who weren't even nominated yet attacked her when things didn't go their way for no good reason. They came across as the mal adjusted and needy ones in that situation.In terms of the conversation with Pauline we're going to have to agree to disagree. IMO no normal human being would be ok with being ignored and targeted by a group of people they know they could potentially be living with for the next couple of months. He's not there to be ignored and left out of everything, he's there to make the most of a once in a lifetime experience and to have a good time! Impossible for an ordinary person to do in that situation when you're dealing with the likes of Helen and Pauline (who were never just going to just ignore him for long.)

I also think you're forgetting the role of Helen and co here too. Like attracts like and nice people are drawn to other nice people. Not saying they have to be his best friend but a decent person would at least recognise that Christopher is a decent person and doesn't deserve to be treated badly. Taking advantage of someone as lovely as he is is way worse and way more off putting than trying to hard with a group of people who don't deserve it IMO.

We might just be very different and never agree on this lol.
Helen567
23-07-2014
Originally Posted by jp761:
“For those saying why wasn't Christopher invited into the power alliance. There were reasons mentioned. The other side of that though is Ashleigh and Chris said they would never of put Christopher up for nomination so that shows they genuinelly like him.”

I think Ashleigh would have had a more difficult job getting Christopher to agree with her choices than lapdog Chris and weak Mark. Christopher knows his own mind more than most in there.
SpiritedAway
23-07-2014
Originally Posted by BeeBumble:
“And I repeat the sentiments of my last post that's just what most people do when they have feelings for someone who doesn't feel the same they act of character.”

All healthy relationships are give and take. I already know Christopher's type. He gives and gives and gives with the naiveté or perhaps just wishful thinking that his efforts will be reciprocated but they never quite are. Most can only be calculated as relative to your own experiences so if "most" deepen incongruous relationships without addressing the problem, fine. However, ultimately, it isn't very healthy. And also if we're speaking of human nature, it's perfectly imperfectly human to recognize a weakness such as Christopher's and dismiss him or exploit him (like I think Mark is doing) or subconsciously think less of him because of it. Not nice but human.

Anyway, it would be different if Christopher recognized that Mark isn't as into the relationship as he is and decided to not pursue more, but he still seems hopeful and keen on the idea of developing something more serious outside of the house. He is a smart handsome lad whom I would adore if he wasn't so satisfied with scraps.
ForGodsSake
23-07-2014
Originally Posted by Sachin_Shah1:
“On the subject of sticks has anyone tried these from the Polish section of Sainsbury's...45p a packet and I'm addicted to eating a pack a day at the moment...



http://galleryplus.ebayimg.com/ws/we.../1000x1000.jpg”

I've always fancied trying them. Are they salted ?
Sunnydays
23-07-2014
Originally Posted by cah:
“Basically because he lets them

Instead of putting his foot down with a firm hand at the beginning ,and standing up for himself whenever anyone said anything to him ,he just stood there and took it sometimes even apologising ,

So sadly he became the whipping boy of the house as they all realised they could treat him like dirt and he still wouldn't say anything ”

That's the trouble cah.......he acts like a pushover, and they just trample all over his feelings........I do hope in real life he is surrounded by people who would not dream of treating him in such a bad way........
Grandmother
23-07-2014
Originally Posted by hisdogspot:
“Well he might 'seem' the nicest person in there ( edits can do wonders ) but he's certainly not popular with other housemates ( never has been )

He never gets picked by the others for anything ( or is picked last ) except when it comes to nominating him for eviction

I'm not convinced that even Mark likes him much

I guess there must be a reason for that but we're not being shown it in the highlights show for some reason”

I'm guessing he may just be quite irritating to live with. We see him for five minutes a night, give or take, whereas the HM's have to put up with him 24/7. I don't usually give a rat's ass about the live feed, but it might be instructive in this case.
SterlingD
23-07-2014
He's just too sweet and lets people walk all over him. Mark knows he doesn't have to do anything to please Christoper and he enjoys toying and dominating him.
lulu g
23-07-2014
Originally Posted by SpiritedAway:
“No, dear. I ignored your point because it was baseless. You're restating the same things without supplying examples. Fair enough, but that's just your interpretation, not gospel. And blanket statements like, "He has shown self respect" and "He is resilient" certainly aren't convincing enough to sway my mind. Btw, I think I'm sufficiently learned in human nature. But thanks for the lesson anyhow.

I've given examples of his reactions (like crying to Pauline and stating himself that he can't cope with being isolated [they weren't arguing with him then, they were merely ignoring him]) IMO exceeding how your average well-adjusted person with the human need for acceptance would handle it. The original question posed asked why Christopher is being treated shoddily; my original answer was because he allows it. I arrived to that conclusion based on the behavior and examples I've since detailed. I think Christopher is a genuinely nice guy, but he tries. too. hard. Just like he has been trying for years to get in a relationship. Speaking from personal experience, his attitude is a bit of a turnoff and I can identify with the housemates on those grounds which is why I replied in the first place.

ETA:

Within Christopher's statement he acknowledges that he pays Mark more consideration than Mark pays him. Christopher believes Mark deliberately distances himself from him. He is acknowledging an imbalance in their relationship but continues to gush about Mark, make excuses for him and gives him license to treat him in the same manner. He's very much aware that their friendship/relationship is imbalanced, but he allows that inequality to persist. I don't see how that isn't doormat-ish.”

BIB - But for him to allow it, they have to have treated him shoddily in the first place. The primary fault here lies with the people treating him shoddily.
Sunshire
23-07-2014
[quote=KatrinaK;73849531]I feel for him.

He's so nice and lovable. He couldn't hurt a fly and makes an effort with everyone but gets little in return.

I want Christopher top3, ahead of Mark! (one can hope!)[/QUOTE

Helen started the hate Christopher in the house as she is the one turning people on others and has done from the start she keeps all the boys in line lol
Christopher to WIN and that will show them all
Artie
23-07-2014
Christopher comes across as the most genuine of all of the HMs. If there is any place in this messed up world for a decent human being, then Christopher deserves to win.

I might break the habit of a C5BB lifetime and vote for him if he is still there at the death
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