the op is on drugs or under 14.
Ashleigh is calculated and cunning - biggest gameplayer in there!!
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I don't see the logic from a game play point of view. Surely if you want to win you try to get rid of the competition. I would have thought eliminating Winston, Mark or Christopher (who is getting big cheers now) would have been the sensible nominations for someone who wants to win.
I am glad she put up Steven but I don't see it as tactically brilliant.
I am glad she put up Steven but I don't see it as tactically brilliant.
Originally Posted by FusionFury:
“Missing the point again.
There is nothing wrong with game playing I like it, but don't be fake about it. The best game player was Victor because he openly said to everyone what he was going to do, and did it.
I wonder if there would be the same responses if it was Helen this thread was about, somehow I doubt it, which is the problem I have.”
“Missing the point again.
There is nothing wrong with game playing I like it, but don't be fake about it. The best game player was Victor because he openly said to everyone what he was going to do, and did it.
I wonder if there would be the same responses if it was Helen this thread was about, somehow I doubt it, which is the problem I have.”
But most of us dont believe ashleighs playing a game anyway! Yes she may be strategic when making decisions, but isnt any sensible person :/ and even in her strategic thinking shes picking people shes the least closest too, which isnt exavtly rocket science.. tbh i dont believe Helen is playing a game eventhough im a helen 'hater', shes just a plain nasty human thats it really..
Originally Posted by An Thropologist:
“I don't see the logic from a game play point of view. Surely if you want to win you try to get rid of the competition. I would have thought eliminating Winston, Mark or Christopher (who is getting big cheers now) would have been the sensible nominations for someone who wants to win.
I am glad she put up Steven but I don't see it as tactically brilliant.”
“I don't see the logic from a game play point of view. Surely if you want to win you try to get rid of the competition. I would have thought eliminating Winston, Mark or Christopher (who is getting big cheers now) would have been the sensible nominations for someone who wants to win.
I am glad she put up Steven but I don't see it as tactically brilliant.”
Exactly!! I guess Ashleigh haters need any excuse to jump at her!
I bet you, if she had chosen Chris, chrisopher and mark to be up, the exact same thread would have still be made, so theres no point even explaining any more!
Originally Posted by firefly_irl:
“Agreed, everyone should be there to play Big Brother, hence why the Americans cut out the social experiment facade and made it a game.
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“Agreed, everyone should be there to play Big Brother, hence why the Americans cut out the social experiment facade and made it a game.
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i find the us bb really boring hope bbuk is not going down the same road rather it was more like bbaus
Originally Posted by rubyx93:
“Exactly!! I guess Ashleigh haters need any excuse to jump at her!
I bet you, if she had chosen Chris, chrisopher and mark to be up, the exact same thread would have still be made, so theres no point even explaining any more!”
“Exactly!! I guess Ashleigh haters need any excuse to jump at her!
I bet you, if she had chosen Chris, chrisopher and mark to be up, the exact same thread would have still be made, so theres no point even explaining any more!”
people just have different opinions on hms
Originally Posted by hunkydory:
“people just have different opinions on hms”
“people just have different opinions on hms”
Yes i completely understand that, im just replying back to OPs accusations
She is very quick thinking
She is very calculated
She has her "cuddle bear" prop
and she comes out with some great soundbite one liners... eg "Do I ever get to press these buttons, no?" - straight mental linking with Dexter's Lab dizzy dancing blonde "DeeDee"
She is very calculated
She has her "cuddle bear" prop
and she comes out with some great soundbite one liners... eg "Do I ever get to press these buttons, no?" - straight mental linking with Dexter's Lab dizzy dancing blonde "DeeDee"
Originally Posted by FusionFury:
“Atleast she's not fake with it, and doesn't change her spots depending on the public.”
“Atleast she's not fake with it, and doesn't change her spots depending on the public.”
You seem to be saying no matter how vile or nasty someone is as long as they are not 'fake' they're ok with you, have I summed up your view correctly?
Originally Posted by PercyBysshe:
“Stella on BOTS said Ashleigh was dangerous. Scary Ashleigh makes my skin crawl.”
“Stella on BOTS said Ashleigh was dangerous. Scary Ashleigh makes my skin crawl.”
Bloke down the pub said Christopher is a mass murderer. Scary Christopher!
Originally Posted by sara-dale:
“Bloke down the pub said Christopher is a mass murderer. Scary Christopher!”
“Bloke down the pub said Christopher is a mass murderer. Scary Christopher!”
Well he does look slightly deranged.
At least Ashleigh is staying in by playing the game unlike Helish who can freewheel too the final with her nasty crew Helish being a loathsome bully especially in her drunken rages, no one on the outside would have to tolerate such behavior ie a workplace she'd be instantly dismissed. Notice how desperate Ash was not to be up the using creep, he's making a complete mug out of brain dead Helish but she's so loved up she can't see past scrubbing his undies, he will drop her like a hot brick when he gets out and get a decent bird he can bring home too Mommy.
Originally Posted by FusionFury:
“She analyses everything, and always seems to see it from a viewers angle rather than her own. Like she has no opinion herself and does everything to what the "viewers want" and what makes her popular. Helen love or hate her is what you see is what you get.
She said today to Mark about the power alliance if you vote Christopher instead of Ash the public won't like that. That sums her up.
It'd be a travesty if she wins that sort of money at 18, she's already a diva and self-entitled..”
“She analyses everything, and always seems to see it from a viewers angle rather than her own. Like she has no opinion herself and does everything to what the "viewers want" and what makes her popular. Helen love or hate her is what you see is what you get.
She said today to Mark about the power alliance if you vote Christopher instead of Ash the public won't like that. That sums her up.
It'd be a travesty if she wins that sort of money at 18, she's already a diva and self-entitled..”
Who do you mean is seeing it, though? As far as fellow housemates, the people unaware of what she's really done behind their backs include Jale, Kim, Danielle, Mark, Winston, Ashleigh and Pauline that I can remember off the top of my head.
she plays an ok game,she thinks ahead to the public vote which is smart(you will need the public votes),unlike what Kim did.............but at the same time,Kim killed her when it came to the social game.Kim was never nominated.
She should not have cried to go home so much,that might have hurt her a bit..........just a bit
She should not have cried to go home so much,that might have hurt her a bit..........just a bit
Love ashleigh,she's genuine and stunning,and the way the betting is going,she's going to overtake chris for the top spot for the win today...Come on ashliegh..
Let's not forget that Ashleigh was angling to be in Helen's inner circle, bitching with her about others, until she heard the booes for her and ended up deep inside Toya's inner circle.
She's played one of the surest routes to BB popularity - find out who the hated HMs are, then express an ongoing dislike for them.
She's played one of the surest routes to BB popularity - find out who the hated HMs are, then express an ongoing dislike for them.
Originally Posted by FusionFury:
“Missing the point again.
There is nothing wrong with game playing I like it, but don't be fake about it. The best game player was Victor because he openly said to everyone what he was going to do, and did it.
I wonder if there would be the same responses if it was Helen this thread was about, somehow I doubt it, which is the problem I have.”
“Missing the point again.
There is nothing wrong with game playing I like it, but don't be fake about it. The best game player was Victor because he openly said to everyone what he was going to do, and did it.
I wonder if there would be the same responses if it was Helen this thread was about, somehow I doubt it, which is the problem I have.”
No-one in there who is playing a game will admit to playing a game, because they all act like it's the biggest sin ever. So I don't see your point at all.
Ashleigh has played the game when she's had to - this week as PH, the week the girls had the power - but she's not going round being pally with everyone (I'm looking at you, Mark) so it gets her through to the final and playing a game like that.
Helen hasn't had to play a game, as she is through to the final. She is just a horrid person.
Originally Posted by FusionFury:
“Missing the point again.
There is nothing wrong with game playing I like it, but don't be fake about it. The best game player was Victor because he openly said to everyone what he was going to do, and did it.
I wonder if there would be the same responses if it was Helen this thread was about, somehow I doubt it, which is the problem I have.”
“Missing the point again.
There is nothing wrong with game playing I like it, but don't be fake about it. The best game player was Victor because he openly said to everyone what he was going to do, and did it.
I wonder if there would be the same responses if it was Helen this thread was about, somehow I doubt it, which is the problem I have.”
No it wouldn't be because Helen and Asleigh are completely different personalities. Ashleigh never screams like a foghorn and swears at people. Don't recall her getting in someone's face in a heated argument. When bitching Helen will tell the majority of the group not just her close friend a piece of information. That usually leads to the "I don't bitch I say it straight" fallout row to the persons face after spreading it around the house behind their backs. The public humiliation ritual of her screaming at you with the whole house watching. Or the infamously mature "always in the right" chant should you be losing an argument. As equally mature is the nicknames such a wasp or slug...slugsworth. the playground behaviour witnessed probably brouvht back memories for many people. So can you really expect people to compare fhat to Ashleigh who sat with one person occasionally two and bitched about a person she didnt get on with or gave her a hard time and then during girlpower came up with a plan to stop Hele taki g over as we all knew she would. So you have never had a bad day a d gone blme to your other half or best mate and moaned about someone??? And not come up with a strategy in a team meeting to stop the gobby one getting their own way (apply your own situation
Originally Posted by An Thropologist:
“I don't see the logic from a game play point of view. Surely if you want to win you try to get rid of the competition. I would have thought eliminating Winston, Mark or Christopher (who is getting big cheers now) would have been the sensible nominations for someone who wants to win.
I am glad she put up Steven but I don't see it as tactically brilliant.”
“I don't see the logic from a game play point of view. Surely if you want to win you try to get rid of the competition. I would have thought eliminating Winston, Mark or Christopher (who is getting big cheers now) would have been the sensible nominations for someone who wants to win.
I am glad she put up Steven but I don't see it as tactically brilliant.”
I think putting up a HM unpopular with the public is a better gameplan to endear herself with the public than to put up someone with a large fanbase who's fans could turn against her when she's next up.
Originally Posted by Radical Joe:
“I think putting up a HM unpopular with the public is a better gameplan to endear herself with the public than to put up someone with a large fanbase who's fans could turn against her when she's next up.”
“I think putting up a HM unpopular with the public is a better gameplan to endear herself with the public than to put up someone with a large fanbase who's fans could turn against her when she's next up.”
This is true and I accept is a strategy in its own right. However I feel there is a statistical flaw. Whoever she puts up will have fans that might turn against her. She can't know that Steven is unique among HMs, having, it seems, almost no supporters. Had she known this it would have been well calculated but she doesn't know.
So what she knows is that she risks the combined fan bases of Ash, Steven, Pav and Zoe and whatever number that comes to.
The reward is the gratitude of the fan bases of Mark, Winston and Christopher and whatever number that comes to.
The calculation would be in guessing which number is the bigger and she can't possibly guess this.
What she does 'know' is that if she puts up, say Winston, then a Winston fan won't vote for her in the final, irrespective of whether Winston is in the final or not. She has lost nothing because she was never going to get the vote of Winston fans against Winston in the first place.
But if she doesn't put Winston up and nobody else takes him out she won't get those votes in the final in any case. So from that point of view she has nothing to loose and therefore it seems its worth gambling on eliminating the competition while she can.
I am not saying it is a better strategy but it is I think a more ballsy and calculating one.
Originally Posted by FusionFury:
“Missing the point again.
There is nothing wrong with game playing I like it, but don't be fake about it. The best game player was Victor because he openly said to everyone what he was going to do, and did it.
I wonder if there would be the same responses if it was Helen this thread was about, somehow I doubt it, which is the problem I have.”
“Missing the point again.
There is nothing wrong with game playing I like it, but don't be fake about it. The best game player was Victor because he openly said to everyone what he was going to do, and did it.
I wonder if there would be the same responses if it was Helen this thread was about, somehow I doubt it, which is the problem I have.”
Victor tried to play the game and he failed. By saying he was playing the game, a lot of the public instantly disliked him. You never reveal a gameplan if you want to win! Still a good housemate though.
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