So agree OP...they have been gunning for Ashleigh since Toya left
I Actually Hate To Have To Say This.....Come On
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My biggest problem is the favouritism that the producers have shown certain housemates.
The amount of things that Helen has got away with, the way in which they constantly promote and push Mark in front of us.
Its almost as bad as the year in which Aaron won, they did everything to try and scupper his chances of victory.
I for one hope that either Chris or Ashleigh win this years show, Both have been honest throughout.
The amount of things that Helen has got away with, the way in which they constantly promote and push Mark in front of us.
Its almost as bad as the year in which Aaron won, they did everything to try and scupper his chances of victory.
I for one hope that either Chris or Ashleigh win this years show, Both have been honest throughout.
BB have meddled far too much this series. It seems like they've gone out of their way to piss off the public on their pathetic power trip. BB has had the power all along in this show.
I like twists if it means saving entertaining housemates but all their twists seem to have back fired.
I like twists if it means saving entertaining housemates but all their twists seem to have back fired.
Originally Posted by Helsbels46:
“This is exactly what they do...and we feed them with info they need to make their decisions by the way we react on forums like this”
“This is exactly what they do...and we feed them with info they need to make their decisions by the way we react on forums like this”
Exactly what I have been saying for the past few years, how many times have we seen ideas pinched from here and used. At the same time they're looking out for how they can make us annoyed enough to vote like mad too, and as soon as they see the "It's not fair" posts they have found which buttons to press and they press them for all they're worth ! Endemol don't just play psyche games with the HM's, they do it with the audience too. They gave you what you wanted this week with a shifty little poll that hardly anyone knew about, and that many that DID know couldn't vote on anyway unless they had the app, kept all your hopes up, then .... whack!! they turned it on it's head, knowing it would get some angry enough to run their phone bills up hugely on Friday. I fell for it every year until this BB, and now I have the self control to just vote if my fave needs it. This year is no different to other years since it's been on Channel 5, it's just been ramped up rather more is all.
Hmm BB are indeed trying to manipulate us but they know how perverse the public are. They tried their very best to piss on Aaron, he won and I'm sure they were very aware that is what would happen. I think they'd quite like Ashleigh to win and so are giving her the Aaron treatment to not just increase her support because she already has that but to increase the amount of people that vote.
The more pissed off and angry the viewer gets the more likely they are to spend money as the typical Brit hates injustice.
The more pissed off and angry the viewer gets the more likely they are to spend money as the typical Brit hates injustice.
Originally Posted by lili_72:
“I agree the level of manipulation on the part of the producers this year is shocking.
I really don't understand why they are giving Helen so much ammunition while leaving the other housemates defenseless, they are constantly being shown up for doing the exact same thing that everybody else in the house is doing.
I'm actually finding it hard to watch at this point, I feel like we're creeping towards a finale where Helen wins or is in someway vindicated by Channel 5 and the truly interesting characters from the series will be kicked out one by one along the way.”
“I agree the level of manipulation on the part of the producers this year is shocking.
I really don't understand why they are giving Helen so much ammunition while leaving the other housemates defenseless, they are constantly being shown up for doing the exact same thing that everybody else in the house is doing.
I'm actually finding it hard to watch at this point, I feel like we're creeping towards a finale where Helen wins or is in someway vindicated by Channel 5 and the truly interesting characters from the series will be kicked out one by one along the way.”
Because, as I keep saying, Helen is the panto villain of this year, every time it looks as if she's settled down and they're all getting on, they throw in something that, given her propensity to lose her temper fast, is bound to make her blow. This is why I can feel sorry for her, she's actually being kicked as much as the others, just in a different way. She can't help it that BB are giving her advantages like a pass to the final and various other things that look like advantages, but she still gets the blame for them. She's not as bad as they portray her as, same as Ashleigh is not as good as they portray her as being, they're both just pawns that have to dance to BB's tune.
Originally Posted by rsefitpro07:
“My biggest problem is the favouritism that the producers have shown certain housemates.
The amount of things that Helen has got away with, the way in which they constantly promote and push Mark in front of us.
Its almost as bad as the year in which Aaron won, they did everything to try and scupper his chances of victory.
I for one hope that either Chris or Ashleigh win this years show, Both have been honest throughout.”
“My biggest problem is the favouritism that the producers have shown certain housemates.
The amount of things that Helen has got away with, the way in which they constantly promote and push Mark in front of us.
Its almost as bad as the year in which Aaron won, they did everything to try and scupper his chances of victory.
I for one hope that either Chris or Ashleigh win this years show, Both have been honest throughout.”
Not really, but then that's a combination of BB and this forum's manipulation that makes you think that. Forums can manipulate as much as BB can.
It's all about the money, honey. Best result each week for BB is to have two big characters pitted against each other to ensure a voting frenzy. I can't remember the last time I voted on BB other than the free app polls. I've resigned myself to the fact that as I don't vote I can't feel too strongly about who goes. Maybe I'll save my pennies for CBB which hopefully will be more entertaining than this overly manipulated shambles.
Originally Posted by Stigofthedump:
“Agree with OP totally”
“Agree with OP totally”
So do I and I have watched since BB1 too. The message of this BB series is all wrong in that nice reasonable people get trampled on and kicked to the curb while the bully is protected and wins every time.
The worst thing was the way Danielle was treated last week because of her personal life. Even BBBOTS guests were in on the onslaught against Danielle. The three newbies were clearly put in the house to work for BB. They talked about Danielle's private life but did any of them ever mention Wayne Rooney? No of course not. Did any mention Kimberley or Steven's previous partners? No.
Emma Willis on BBBOTS has been most disappointing and I thought she was a BB fan.
I have actually pulled myself back a bit now - it is just a show.
But it isn't the manipulation or even the show ruining it.
Ok it is annoying them trying to paint half the house in a good light & half in a bad light seeing as we should make our own decisions.
It's the fans however- anti-certain house mate thread with zero substance or evidence just adding a sentence to a house mate they don't likes name.
But at least people on here analysis things & can step back from personal attacks on forum members.
But my god Facebook is disgusting & i am upset at some nasty comments. I would not like to be biased but many people over there are saying it is Helen fans being nasty. When ashleigh/chris fans argue back they are personally attacked. Or house mates are given nasty names like 'brat' for ashliegh or 'creepy chris' , that is horrible & nasty.
People are entitled to support who they want but attacking other people yet give it back to them oh no you can't is unfair. People aren't allowed to support ashleigh or chris according to helen fans.
Says a lot about those people - they are defending Helens behaviour ,wanting her to win & being nasty , trust Helen fans to be those people. How can you have such strong support it becomes nastiness to fellow BB fans.
Most ashleigh , chris & other hm fans are trying to talk intelligently give a fair analysis but are being shot down.
I cant even look at the comments on anything BB posts anymore on there.
it is a show & we are all adults & need to grow up frankly.
where is the intelligent , looking at both side of the coin so to speak.
But it isn't the manipulation or even the show ruining it.
Ok it is annoying them trying to paint half the house in a good light & half in a bad light seeing as we should make our own decisions.
It's the fans however- anti-certain house mate thread with zero substance or evidence just adding a sentence to a house mate they don't likes name.
But at least people on here analysis things & can step back from personal attacks on forum members.
But my god Facebook is disgusting & i am upset at some nasty comments. I would not like to be biased but many people over there are saying it is Helen fans being nasty. When ashleigh/chris fans argue back they are personally attacked. Or house mates are given nasty names like 'brat' for ashliegh or 'creepy chris' , that is horrible & nasty.
People are entitled to support who they want but attacking other people yet give it back to them oh no you can't is unfair. People aren't allowed to support ashleigh or chris according to helen fans.
Says a lot about those people - they are defending Helens behaviour ,wanting her to win & being nasty , trust Helen fans to be those people. How can you have such strong support it becomes nastiness to fellow BB fans.
Most ashleigh , chris & other hm fans are trying to talk intelligently give a fair analysis but are being shot down.
I cant even look at the comments on anything BB posts anymore on there.
it is a show & we are all adults & need to grow up frankly.
where is the intelligent , looking at both side of the coin so to speak.
Originally Posted by LIZALYNN:
“So do I and I have watched since BB1 too. The message of this BB series is all wrong in that nice reasonable people get trampled on and kicked to the curb while the bully is protected and wins every time.
The worst thing was the way Danielle was treated last week because of her personal life. Even BBBOTS guests were in on the onslaught against Danielle. The three newbies were clearly put in the house to work for BB. They talked about Danielle's private life but did any of them ever mention Wayne Rooney? No of course not. Did any mention Kimberley or Steven's previous partners? No.
Emma Willis on BBBOTS has been most disappointing and I thought she was a BB fan.”
“So do I and I have watched since BB1 too. The message of this BB series is all wrong in that nice reasonable people get trampled on and kicked to the curb while the bully is protected and wins every time.
The worst thing was the way Danielle was treated last week because of her personal life. Even BBBOTS guests were in on the onslaught against Danielle. The three newbies were clearly put in the house to work for BB. They talked about Danielle's private life but did any of them ever mention Wayne Rooney? No of course not. Did any mention Kimberley or Steven's previous partners? No.
Emma Willis on BBBOTS has been most disappointing and I thought she was a BB fan.”
Well said. As a victim of bullying at school , a victim of being knocked down in life , watching all that stuff around the world , the rich getting richer & poor getting poorer.
It may just be a tv show but why do the bad guys always get away with it & the good guys picked on , attacked & have it bad.
Though just a show , it does not send a good message at all. Young adults are still watching , the behaviour of certain fans online says it all.
Originally Posted by Scrovegni:
“Chris and Ashleigh are currently 1st and 2nd favourites at the bookies.
This latest twist will no doubt bolster their support even further.
BB are indeed manipulating the HMs they're also manipulating the viewers, just not in the way you think.”
“Chris and Ashleigh are currently 1st and 2nd favourites at the bookies.
This latest twist will no doubt bolster their support even further.
BB are indeed manipulating the HMs they're also manipulating the viewers, just not in the way you think.”
Hmmm BB........manipulating the viewers........betting?.........well I won't put a bet on this year........what's the point if they keep changing the goalposts...
............it's like reading a really bad whodunit and all your prime suspects get bumped off.........and you are left with one obscure HM who you wouldn't even have thought of.........yes, I will go back to thinking of it as a soap........it is better than Eastenders at the moment........
I agree with everyone else that they have gone to far this time. I'm at the verge of turning off. I certainly wont vote unless Helen gets into the last 3 and will be voting against her. It seems like the Helen and Ash show Those two lording over the rest.. Oh of course this week nobody was safe Oh except the Lady of the Manor. I knew it was going to turn on the Power Housemates.
BB is simply deploying reverse psychology in a crude attempt to polarise viewers and most importantly garner votes - any votes. Looks like it's working.
Originally Posted by xNATILLYx:
“Well said. As a victim of bullying at school , a victim of being knocked down in life , watching all that stuff around the world , the rich getting richer & poor getting poorer.
It may just be a tv show but why do the bad guys always get away with it & the good guys picked on , attacked & have it bad.
Though just a show , it does not send a good message at all. Young adults are still watching , the behaviour of certain fans online says it all.”
“Well said. As a victim of bullying at school , a victim of being knocked down in life , watching all that stuff around the world , the rich getting richer & poor getting poorer.
It may just be a tv show but why do the bad guys always get away with it & the good guys picked on , attacked & have it bad.
Though just a show , it does not send a good message at all. Young adults are still watching , the behaviour of certain fans online says it all.”
You seem to be under the impression that it's all Helen fans, yet ignore the fact that Ashleigh and Chris fans can call those, that don't just see bad in Helen, even worse names. Try reading some of the you tube comments and check out what Helen is called, and what those that stick up for her are called, in fact you don't need to go to you tube, it's like it on here too.
Originally Posted by wazzyboy:
“BB is simply deploying reverse psychology in a crude attempt to polarise viewers and most importantly garner votes - any votes. Looks like it's working.”
“BB is simply deploying reverse psychology in a crude attempt to polarise viewers and most importantly garner votes - any votes. Looks like it's working.”
Sure is, it works every year.
Originally Posted by pericom:
“List of some of the Interference we've had this series:
- Having EX housemates tell you who to vote.
- Having your parents tell you about other housemates (stevens mum).
- Allowing new Housemates to tell about the outside world and opinions
- Chanting on eviction night. (What actually doesnt represent the publics opinion).
- Pass to the final. So the public cant evict a HM.
- U-turn on Ashleighs immunity
This season of Big Brother is a farce produced by amateurs.”
“List of some of the Interference we've had this series:
- Having EX housemates tell you who to vote.
- Having your parents tell you about other housemates (stevens mum).
- Allowing new Housemates to tell about the outside world and opinions
- Chanting on eviction night. (What actually doesnt represent the publics opinion).
- Pass to the final. So the public cant evict a HM.
- U-turn on Ashleighs immunity
This season of Big Brother is a farce produced by amateurs.”
There is the outside interference, and there is the meddling by BB.
I object mostly to the deliberate encouragement of interference from the outside, not so much from the chanting crowd as it does add something to the show and it can also be a red herring.
But the meddling by BB is ok if it does not target one HM, if it is feasibly random. Any of the original HMs could have been given total immunity so it was a fair twist imo. I also think it has been interesting to watch and I don't mind that they experimented with the idea.
Originally Posted by wazzyboy:
“BB is simply deploying reverse psychology in a crude attempt to polarise viewers and most importantly garner votes - any votes. Looks like it's working.”
“BB is simply deploying reverse psychology in a crude attempt to polarise viewers and most importantly garner votes - any votes. Looks like it's working.”
I can't believe after years of BB shit-stirring and manipulation people STILL don't see it for what it is. A bunch of ruthless media execs dreaming up ways to keep the show interesting and get people voting.
How many people would be voting on Friday before this twist? Where was the drama in having a dead cert up for eviction against someone else who isn't a favourite? And how many will now vote to save Ashleigh, one of the favourites to win? They've probably doubled their revenue with this twist.
And while we all turn on this HM or that HM or accuse BB of playing favourites, they watch the internet explode, rub their hands in glee and go "kerching!". We're as much pawns as the HMs are. It's The Truman Show.
I can only agree with the majority on here.
I still cling on to way of the old BB, but this series I have tried really hard to just go with the flow and take it for what it is now, I was just about managing to do this and enjoy it then..........I heard the latest twist this morning and I think it is a step too far so now I feel like a total mug
Very good post RabidWolverine1 I think I have lost all trust in BB and rather than enjoying it anymore it is now annoying me with its unfairness and complete lack of values - I am stubborn though so no doubt I will see this series out to the bitter end..
BIB: I hope you are right and this is how it should be, but a bit of me thinks this might be manipulated somehow by BB - maybe I am just being too paranoid though.
I still cling on to way of the old BB, but this series I have tried really hard to just go with the flow and take it for what it is now, I was just about managing to do this and enjoy it then..........I heard the latest twist this morning and I think it is a step too far so now I feel like a total mug
Very good post RabidWolverine1
I think I have lost all trust in BB and rather than enjoying it anymore it is now annoying me with its unfairness and complete lack of values - I am stubborn though so no doubt I will see this series out to the bitter end..
Originally Posted by Scrovegni:
“Because she's the villain of the series, they have to keep provoking Helen so she does villainous things to the 'good guys', we then vote to keep the 'good guys' in making them lots of money. In a couple of weeks we then vote for the 'good guys' to win making them even more money. The 'good guys' win the villain loses and we all feel justice has been served.”
“Because she's the villain of the series, they have to keep provoking Helen so she does villainous things to the 'good guys', we then vote to keep the 'good guys' in making them lots of money. In a couple of weeks we then vote for the 'good guys' to win making them even more money. The 'good guys' win the villain loses and we all feel justice has been served.
”
BIB: I hope you are right and this is how it should be, but a bit of me thinks this might be manipulated somehow by BB - maybe I am just being too paranoid though.
Originally Posted by Lucy Lou:
“I can only agree with the majority on here.
I still cling on to way of the old BB, but this series I have tried really hard to just go with the flow and take it for what it is now, I was just about managing to do this and enjoy it then..........I heard the latest twist this morning and I think it is a step too far so now I feel like a total mug
Very good post RabidWolverine1 I think I have lost all trust in BB and rather than enjoying it anymore it is now annoying me with its unfairness and complete lack of values - I am stubborn though so no doubt I will see this series out to the bitter end..
BIB: I hope you are right and this is how it should be, but a bit of me thinks this might be manipulated somehow by BB - maybe I am just being too paranoid though.”
“I can only agree with the majority on here.
I still cling on to way of the old BB, but this series I have tried really hard to just go with the flow and take it for what it is now, I was just about managing to do this and enjoy it then..........I heard the latest twist this morning and I think it is a step too far so now I feel like a total mug
Very good post RabidWolverine1
I think I have lost all trust in BB and rather than enjoying it anymore it is now annoying me with its unfairness and complete lack of values - I am stubborn though so no doubt I will see this series out to the bitter end..BIB: I hope you are right and this is how it should be, but a bit of me thinks this might be manipulated somehow by BB - maybe I am just being too paranoid though.”
Thanks
I'm glad so many are voicing views through different outlets right now telling them this isn't okay
Originally Posted by zolug:
“Great post RW and so true you put into words my thoughts exactly.
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“Great post RW and so true you put into words my thoughts exactly.
”
Virtual High 5
Originally Posted by Scrovegni:
“Chris and Ashleigh are currently 1st and 2nd favourites at the bookies.
This latest twist will no doubt bolster their support even further.
BB are indeed manipulating the HMs they're also manipulating the viewers, just not in the way you think.”
“Chris and Ashleigh are currently 1st and 2nd favourites at the bookies.
This latest twist will no doubt bolster their support even further.
BB are indeed manipulating the HMs they're also manipulating the viewers, just not in the way you think.”
Originally Posted by bbfivenever:
“They create the story.
They see things unfolding then add things to the mix, they create the victim and the aggressor knowing for the most part from evaluations who's more likely to fit which role.
This makes people vote, so they create more ways to pit these people against one and other.
Just stop voting/watching then they're screwed.”
“They create the story.
They see things unfolding then add things to the mix, they create the victim and the aggressor knowing for the most part from evaluations who's more likely to fit which role.
This makes people vote, so they create more ways to pit these people against one and other.
Just stop voting/watching then they're screwed.”
Originally Posted by Helsbels46:
“The manipulation is huge...this year more than ever the public are being well & truly played...they're after our money big time!!!”
“The manipulation is huge...this year more than ever the public are being well & truly played...they're after our money big time!!!”
Lol it works every time though..... people are queuing up to hand over their dough yet again!
JUST OPEN THE GOD DAMN PHONE LINES AND TAKE OUR MONEY ALREADY !!!
Originally Posted by RabidWolverine1:
“Including my first username I have been on this forum since 2007. Every year when any forum member said the manipulation and favouritism had gone too far by my own admission I was always straight to defend BB. Insisting it is a game show and that people can make their own decisions regardless of what the editing process is (Which they still can). I always insisted not to over react at BB because it was never swung too far in one direction.
Like several on this forum I have watched BB since the original in 2000 and this is the first time I have to say this is complete and utter BS. Im not just talking about Ashleigh facing eviction (Part of the reason but just the tip of the iceberg).
This year has been a constant battle of victimize the same people and treat/give power to the same people.
It has always been the likes of Chris, Ashleigh, Danielle who have been "exposed" by BB as bitching or backstabbing (Which yes at times they have but not in comparison to the likes of Helen & Steven who have not once had their shortcomings played out to the rest of the house
)
This causes Helen's team too not only constantly think they are in the right and are vindicated in what they do but can really lay it on thick with the likes of Chris, Ashleigh, Danielle. I won't use the word bullying but with being outnumbered and someone like Helen shouting at you its easy to see why it can just become too much for some people to cope.
If this were to happen once or twice then that's fine especially if its spread out between everyone but when its EVERY WEEK with the same people becoming the ones who have to defend their actions its absolutely F' Ridicilous.
When this happens all the time its like watching cool kids make others feel uncomfertable at school for everything they do.
Its become a common thing for BB to go out of their way to keep people in who they think has storylines and perhaps do follow up shows on Channel 5, but its never been so constant for particular people. I don't know if they want Helen to win so they can say their twist on night 2 was a success or what but for the first time even I (who for whatever reason have always felt the need to defend this show and have the post histoy to prove it) think this has completely skipped past "Reality TV" and onto a Endemol "We decide what's entertainment so deal with it" show.
You combine this with all the false finishes and promises and twists seemingly thrown in without notice or prior warning so they can seem to save one of their favourites is now I have to join in with all the people calling BS on Big Brother. First time ina long time im VERY DISSAPOINTED as a viewer.
Come on BB, ive stuck with this show for 14 years for a reason, don't pull this BS now. You can still save your own show. How can you go from an epic CBB series to........this controlled travesty
Yeah i know im ranting and probably over reacting...right now I don't care
Nathan”
“Including my first username I have been on this forum since 2007. Every year when any forum member said the manipulation and favouritism had gone too far by my own admission I was always straight to defend BB. Insisting it is a game show and that people can make their own decisions regardless of what the editing process is (Which they still can). I always insisted not to over react at BB because it was never swung too far in one direction.
Like several on this forum I have watched BB since the original in 2000 and this is the first time I have to say this is complete and utter BS. Im not just talking about Ashleigh facing eviction (Part of the reason but just the tip of the iceberg).
This year has been a constant battle of victimize the same people and treat/give power to the same people.
It has always been the likes of Chris, Ashleigh, Danielle who have been "exposed" by BB as bitching or backstabbing (Which yes at times they have but not in comparison to the likes of Helen & Steven who have not once had their shortcomings played out to the rest of the house
)This causes Helen's team too not only constantly think they are in the right and are vindicated in what they do but can really lay it on thick with the likes of Chris, Ashleigh, Danielle. I won't use the word bullying but with being outnumbered and someone like Helen shouting at you its easy to see why it can just become too much for some people to cope.
If this were to happen once or twice then that's fine especially if its spread out between everyone but when its EVERY WEEK with the same people becoming the ones who have to defend their actions its absolutely F' Ridicilous.
When this happens all the time its like watching cool kids make others feel uncomfertable at school for everything they do.
Its become a common thing for BB to go out of their way to keep people in who they think has storylines and perhaps do follow up shows on Channel 5, but its never been so constant for particular people. I don't know if they want Helen to win so they can say their twist on night 2 was a success or what but for the first time even I (who for whatever reason have always felt the need to defend this show and have the post histoy to prove it) think this has completely skipped past "Reality TV" and onto a Endemol "We decide what's entertainment so deal with it" show.
You combine this with all the false finishes and promises and twists seemingly thrown in without notice or prior warning so they can seem to save one of their favourites is now I have to join in with all the people calling BS on Big Brother. First time ina long time im VERY DISSAPOINTED as a viewer.
Come on BB, ive stuck with this show for 14 years for a reason, don't pull this BS now. You can still save your own show. How can you go from an epic CBB series to........this controlled travesty
Yeah i know im ranting and probably over reacting...right now I don't care
Nathan”
What an excellent post. Agree 100%. I tried to say something similar in my own post, but you have put it so much better than I, well done!
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