I didn't know about it. So, no, I don't think it had been revealed to us beforehand. Or if it had, I certainly didn't read it.

Indistinguishable from any old skateboarding lesbian ex-stripper-nun really...

I know what you mean of course. She was quite reserved with a dry sense of humour. I remember liking her a lot and desperately wanting her to win, but I'm very unclear on why...



I didn't know either and I've never seen a link to anything mentioning her before his win.

However, the claim that the info was leaked outside the house (not by Craig himself) is a long-standing one. Take this thread from 2003.

Given that so far as we know it's still the closest vote between a final two ever, I'd love to know for sure.

Makosi and Kathreya come to mind. Makosi was a fantastic housemate but she blew it when all her enemies got evicted.

How could I forget Gina! What an absolute disaster. Her jealousy lost it for her. She showed she had a very ugly side to her personality when she wouldn't shut up about Hazel.

Freddy (Halfwit) BB10 to Lisa during an argument "The public like me Lisa! blah blah blah". Completely blew it then. He still should have won.

Laura BB8 telling Tracey "Such and such (one of the newcomers) said I was the favourite and i'm going to win...". Said similar things on more than one occassion. I still remember her fake "YES!" when it was announced she was evicted

Darnell BB9 I thought had a good chance of winning but he let himself down by being mean to the Australian girl Sara. I think for many people that soured their opinion of him.

Some more but not quite in the same league as the ones above...

Nikki BB7 after being voted back into the house playing up to to the diary room camera. Tried to give us more of what people liked about her but it backfired and came across as contrived. She was so shocked at the boo's when she was evicted that she couldn't even speak.

Billi BB8 - Ok he was never going to win but I will always remember him as the worst gameplayer ever. The moment he lost was the very first night he came in and told everyone his gameplan and how he wanted to get out Ziggy and others. Oh dear.

Mark BB12 leaving the house. There was a very good chance he would have won if he didn't. At the very least I could picture a final 2 of Mark and Aaron.

On the final episode of Big Mouth on the final night of BB10 the other housemates told of how Charlie said he thought he was going to win while in the house but it was never aired on the highlights. Very glad he didn't.

Anferny was a person, not an 'it'.

I think it was Bea that did for him. After weeks of toughing it out in the face of what, for once, looked uncomfortably close to genuine bullying, he seem to crumble overnight once she arrived. Out of everyone that's been on the show over the years, Bea really was a weapons grade nightmare.

But that year was interesting; why the 'outsider' set (Marcus, Siavash, Freddie, etc) couldn't get themselves organised to put that ghastly skinhead hag (Lisa?) up for eviction every week from early on was an ongoing source of bewilderment. If they'd got rid of her that group would have fragmented, but they couldn't seem to see it.

Poor Makosi, what a life less ordinary she has led. Very complex woman.

This is an unpleasant thought, but if Conor had let Luke S take the money, could he have won the series? As much as he was an utter a-hole, he seemed to have a lot of support from people who were prepared to vote for him, if not the general viewing public.

I had to hold back my disgust as she was so young. Between the tales of a wild wolfy(15 yr old staying up all night because she couldn't do the math) and her gamey minge, she stayed far too long.

Steven in the current series when he walked through the door and started talking about himself

Oh god maybe it's because it's so early but I can not stop laughing at this!

Alex BB3 when he left Kate on the poor side...again.

Chicken Stu when he went/was dragged under that table

Jale lost it the moment she snitched on Chris being the Power housemate.
Mark lost it for snitching and spreading gossip with his self preservation act after the exposure of Power Alliance.
Steven lost it early on when he cried at "wonderful woman" Pauline's eviction.

I certainly didn't; I can remember it being a big moment when he met her at the gate and told her. So it definitely wasn't the case that 'everyone' knew. And I'm not sure that the public ever care much about that kind of thing. During BB14 we had Gina claiming that she would give her prize money to 'charity' (unspecified); and even though her fans mentioned it over and over again, no one seemed swayed.

I have always thought he might have won if he hadn't visibly started falling apart. You could see that the other housemates adored him. And Aaron himself said that his biggest (possibly only) competition had gone when he walked.



I don't agree with that (and no need for the 'ghastly hag' stuff). Lisa had FAR less influence than people pretend; it swiftly declined to none at all; the young people tended to hang out more with each other, leaving her pottering harmlessly round almost unnoticed. And although it was Bea who ended up making Freddie cry, it was the combination of her and Tom (and perhaps Kenneth) who set him up. Suddenly he knew that he was the most popular housemate, and he had allies; though in reality I don't think there was ever a single person who would put themselves out for him; Tom actually said that he was really irritating.

The truth is that Sophie/ Karly/ Rodrigo/ Lisa/ Charlie's group was strong and loyal; they never nominated each other. There WAS no other group: Marcus never really had any time for Freddie or vice versa; indeed, Marcus, when he was evicted, twice said that he wanted Lisa to win. Siavash was as close to Sophie as anyone. Tom and Kenneth had no real interest, and were visibly bored when Freddie started his absurd posturing about teams and gameplans. Even when they were openly allowed to discuss nominations, they never got anything together, because they were never even slightly united.

Conor had already come miles below Deana and even Becky in a public vote though, so he obviously didn't have many fans at all. I am sure he would have been first out in the final if he had got there.

IIRC, a family member leaked the story of why he had gone in but only a week or so before the final. I certainly knew he wanted the money to pay for a friend to have surgery but can't remember if I knew the exact details.

Mark in this series. Getting too big for his boots after hearing cheers from the crowd then turning on Christopher - his closest competition. And for sucking up to the others after the PHM task.

Craig Coates slapping Anfernee in the diary room and trying to make him his boyfriend. Making the public feel sorry for Anfernee and making him a winner.

i think there was 4 strong contenders that year who could have won and Corin was the only one of the 4 who would have gotten the anti JJJ vote. I agree with the last part tho.

Ah, 'moments when a housemate has won a series' is a different, but also interesting, topic. We have Craig and the 'you've let yourself down' speech of course. Maybe Rachel crying silently in bed when Rex, Darnell and Mo had turned on her. Cameron strolling unopposed to the diary room and collaring the Africa swap. Can't think of any others; every other winner seems to me to have either won because there was no competition (Josie; Aaron) or by a gradual process.

I wonder if Helen in big brother two could've beaten Brian if she hadn't dumped her boyfriend for Paul in a pretty callous manner....

Well, I knew about it. He didn't harp on about it admittedly, but it was mentioned.


She was in charge of that group for a good two thirds of the series. Do you not recall her being officially warned (more than once?) for'bullying' Freddie? I highly doubt the others (particularly that guy with the hair; I forget his name) would have had the stones to be as unpleasant to Freddie's face if it hadn't been for 'Mum's' approval, tacit and otherwise. And if spitting venom at every opportunity is your idea of 'pottering harmlessly' that's fine, but I'm guessing most old folks homes would be more complicated places to run if that was a generally accepted definition of the term.


I agree with most of this; no one in there had Freddie's back, and there was, as you say, no other group. As a result Team Lisa (Team Nana? Team Thunderbird Puppet?) cruised to the final virtually unopposed, while Siavash, Marcus and Freddie, who'd all have been more interesting winners than Sophie, IMVHO, self-destructed in their various ways. It wasn't something I enjoyed watching.

However I can't remember who Tom was, and I'm not convinced Kenneth did anything on the show, other than out himself as something of a fool.

But there we are, memory's a strange thing, I suppose.

No. I think Brian was nailed on favourite from about week 3. Helens popularity actually went up when she got involved with Paul IIRC

We never saw her being warned, only Marcus saying that she had. He did not use the word bullying, or say that it was anything to do with Freddie. He merely said that she was quiet because she had been warned. She continued to be quiet throughout the rest of the series. You remember the timing wrong; once Karly had gone, a third of the way through, lisa ceased to be any kind of leader; and she was never strongly in charge before that. Charlie and Rodrigo never really spent much time with her - it was only Sophie, Karly, Sree, and Noirin who did. From the day Karly went out and David came in, Lisa more or less spent the rest of the series sitting quietly with him in the garden, chatting with whoever was passing, including Freddie. It was only on the forum that people created this false turbo-Lisa, dangling some unspecified housemates from her strings.


Kris. Kris didn't care particularly for Lisa, and was certainly not under her thumb. Apart from Sophie, he didn't seem particularly interested in any of the women even as friends. Lisa was not present when he taunted Freddie about the washing up, or when he contrived the game of hide and seek.


She did no such thing. I challenge you to think of ONE SINGLE REMARK she made against anyone at all from about a third of the way through the series. All I can think of was her rather bemused comment that Bea was being a bitch when she saw her making her Team M tee shirt.




There were a few days when Freddie, Marcus, Siavash, Tom, Kenneth and Bea held the kitchen - indeed boasted about how uncomfortable they would make it for anyone else to use the kitchen - while Freddie ranted on about who had gameplans. But they just got bored. It was obvious that Tom had no interest in the show, Bea fell out massively with Freddie, Marcus was actually quite pally with Charlie and Siavash with Sophie and it was hard to stir up much hate against Lisa and David since all they seemed to do from dawn to dusk was sit in the garden making inconsequential remarks about the weather and what they were having for tea.

In the end, the split ended up more generational: Marcus and Lisa warmed to each other, and the finalists started to take the mick out of David and Lisa and their Terry and June standard repartee.

Fantastic thread--brought back so many memories...and also how much better previous series were without such obvious wanna-bes and so much tinkering by BB. Even Live-Feed! Happy days.

Yeah, you're quite right. The times they are a' changin'. Helen would not have gotten away with that now with the eviction crowds these days. Getting with a tedious self obsessed bore while her boyfriend watched helplessly? Yeah, wouldn't happen now...