Why would I feel the same about Jale Helen apologised to her and she moved on and tried to have fun in the house. She dealt with people and issues with them on a one to one basis, she NEVER called people nasty names nor commented on their appearance.It does not bother me who the housemates that I like hate or love as I am able to separate them out, I wont like Helen just because Jale does and I wont dislike others that she disliked just because I like her.

I never liked Kim and yet Jale did, If I recall you did your share of disliking Ashleigh when you were loving Kim so I am not sure why you think everyone should like her now, she aint changed at all.

Thank you. I have read a lot of your posts and sometimes I agree with you and sometimes I don't but I will never call you names or make scathing remarks to you because you disagree with me. I too can't understand why people get so caught up in it that they actually come across worse than any of the housemates could ever be. As for who wins, the irony is I'm off on holiday next Thursday so won't even be around to see who wins

Come on Janis, don't try twisting my words Hun!

We all saw how delighted both Ashleigh and Chris were in putting Ash up, but as soon as they were outed Ashleigh PRETENDED to turn on the waterworks but then when her sunglasses slipped there was no tears there and then she started laughing because she could not keep a straight face. Chris wasn't much better, rather bad acting from both of them in my opinion. Just the same has Adam on BOTS said about Chris in the dr last night.

You see Janis this is exactly why I don't like Ashleigh and not a big fan of Chris' either. Because rather than take it on the chin and be honest they both tried to lie as did the snake Mark. They would rather everybody blame Pav and Zoe and throw them under the bus than own up to their delight in putting Steven and Ash up.

Plus we all know how bitter Matthew and Danielle are in being evicted and what they said about Zoe and Pav. I might not be a big fan of Pavs but what has Zoe done wrong?

I really do think that Christopher is the only decent person left in the house and I really hope he now wins. Glad we agree on something janis.

No, you missed my point here, I knew they had limited people to nominate, the throwing of Zoe and Pav under the bus remark was what was repeated from Danielle and Matthew but over exaggerated to make out that they were evil. This was done mainly by Mark to make himself look better against turning on his friends but also Ashleigh and Chris found it convenient to go along with it because it took the heat off them and then both Chris and Ashleigh had the cheek to suck up to Ash and said they had said they would put themselves up instead of him but never even said that!

It was all lies, why are these two never honest to people's faces but constantly bitch and say they don't like them behind their back, that's what I really want to know?

What a childish comment ..when do the schools reopen ??

No, it's not childish, it's true, sometimes the truth really hurts.

Sorry Darcy we will have to agree to disagree on the bib. I thought Ashleigh's tears were very genuine and she was laughing in embarrassment as she had said she wouldn't cry. I do agree that Danielle in particular is very bitter because Zoe and Pav put her up. To be honest, whether Ashleigh & Co believed her or not it gave them an easy option which, in all fairness, most people would have jumped on especially as they are the newbies and when Matthew also said the same thing that sealed their fate. Personally I don't mind Pav but I'm not keen on Zoe. She hasn't "done" anything really but I just don't warm to her. I do think Christopher is lovely but I would prefer Ashleigh to win although as I have said I would be happy if Christopher won. Not sure at all about Chris. I'm very up and down with him but I like him less than I did a few weeks ago.

This is what annoys me because bb failed to show this so we couldnt understand the emotion in that whole conversation.

Well said Darcyprincess. You have summed that up very well indeed.

Thank you BIGMOMMA, I just cannot fathom out the Ashleigh love, I really can't.

It's not like I even like Helen either and I admit they are an awful bunch this year but the only decent person left in the house for me has to be Christopher.

I think my biggest problem with Ashleigh, Chris and Mark is because I like straight talking, upfront people and I feel that all these 3 are two faced and say everything behind people's backs and nothing to their faces. Nothing wrong in playing a game but I do like some honesty and some balls.

You don't have to and you don't have to agree with it. You just really have to accept that it exists and the people who do like her have opinions which are just as valid as yours are

Personal I think was danielle only, not only told she would to this, but also knew that matthew and bianca would be doing the thing as well either beforehand or when she arrived at the studio she was able to talk to them before task started, giving her a chance to influence the task.

She did say did that bots, she picked them for personal reasons. A very bitter woman indeed.

You see, this is the problem many of us have. We can't understand the Ashleigh hate?
It's normal to dislike a HM, whether for their perceived personality or from the very edited slices of the show that we see daily. However, when it comes to those whose target is Ashleigh, the adjectives used to describe her can only be considered offensive. Surely we do not have the right to label someone in those terms, based on the extremely scripted/edited knowledge we have? This also applies to folk that are not too keen on Helen, though it seems to me that the dislike for Ashleigh, and the names she is called, is far worse.
Perhaps sometimes we confuse being honest with just plain rudeness?

What about those who neither really understand the hate or the love but can appreciate some people will like some reality tv show types and others won't.

Perhaps I am just crazy!?

You see Janis I could accept all this and I could accept more or less anything but what I cannot accept is how so many of the Ashleigh fans went against Jale and Kim, especially Jale for hanging out with Helen and all the others, including Ashleigh but can tolerate Ashleigh being friends with people like Pauline, Toya and even Helen early on.

You will find that the people that are most vocal on here are the people that don't like the double standards that Ashleigh is allowed to get away with but no other housemate is.

I do think that this is the reason that Ashleigh has been set up by BB with the exposing of her bitching behind the girls back and how they set her up with the noms this week. Because some of her fanatical fans have made complaints about all manner of things this season. We might not like the decisions that BB makes but they have always said that they can change the rules at any time, hence why it's best not to waste much money on voting and not to get to emotionally attached to a housemate anymore.

Didn't somebody say that one of the favourite forums had posted that the BB producers were taking there revenge on the Ashleigh fans for posting so many petty complaints this year? Was it tellymix or BBUK?

You see AOTB I don't think it's hate at all, for instance I have never hated anybody in my life. I am a lover not a fighter

But if you read my post above I see it as more frustration than hate. The double standards on here the last few years has been outrageous. It was last year for Gina and Dexter as well. The same as the year that Aaron won too.

I have had no massive favourite this year or the last few years but I will say that at the moment the only decent human being in the house this year and deserves to win for me is Christopher. Not because I love him but because I think he is a thoroughly decent human being, one of the very few this year.

So it's not a case of actually liking Helen, just defending her against what you think is not warranted. See that is normal and nothing wrong with that. I for one won't question it.

Wouldn't it be nice if those who liked Ashleigh were also accepted for their reasons too!? Ratther than being told it's for something different to what we are saying

There are more 'Why do you like Ashleigh ' threads, or 'Dont understand the Ashleigh love ' threads than there are threads questioning Helen's support!

Monotonous and really annoying

Yes, most definitely! She said that she done it for revenge, this is another person who pretended she was somebody she wasn't. Calling other girls in the house sluts but then it turns out she is no classy lady herself with her stripping off and showing off her lady garden. I think that Danielle was lucky she stayed as long as she did and didn't go out in the first week. Has anybody noticed how she constantly pouts and poses when she's on BOTS and has her boobs hanging out? Quite astonishing!!!

That may be true Darcy but some of the names you have called Ashleigh might make it difficult to believe I'm afraid.

Hey, I'm with you. Make love not war and all that right? I'm not saying you (or anyone in particular) 'hates' or 'loves' but some people definitely do.

A happy medium is good I think, and no, I don't mean Mark and his tea-leaves.

Anyone who has seen my posts will know I could not agree with you more on the double standards you see at times. I do see this forum as just a bit of fun though.

Oh and I agree Christopher seems like a thoroughly decent human being.

Of course Danielle done it or "revenge", the funny thing was Ashleigh sitting their gasping and looking shocked. I'm surprised, but not surprised at the same time() that she is still falling for Danielles nonsense.

Perhaps you would like to remind me then Janis?

I have called her two faced, nasty, bitchy, backstabber. Is there anything else and what is so bad about that?

I don't call that vile or disgusting, definitely not anything that Helen and others have been called on here. Please feel free to comment if I have missed anything.

Your posts on this thread have been pretty spot on. And i'm not just agreeing because i dislike Ashleigh, it's because i am also fed up with the double standards. There is always an excuse for Ashleigh but when it comes to other HM's they are the ones in the wrong. For me, it's been worse than ever this year.

That's probably because Helen is no threat to their favourite, well not yet at least.

Yes, I don't think she was really that shocked, when we all heard Danielle lose the plot when she had that argument with Helen, the bile and foul language that came out of Danielles mouth showed us that Danielle was not the person she pretended she was. I saw the real Danielle back then and that was only the first or second week.

I think that Ashleigh used Danielle for her own benefit and is basically saying now that Chris has been a better friend to her.