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Old 24-07-2014, 09:31
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I'm getting so fed up and annoyed with all these reboots. Star Trek, Planet of the Apes, Star Wars, Mad Max. Why ruin a good series

Mad Max: Fury Road should continue with the story after Beyond Thunderdome.
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Old 24-07-2014, 10:26
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I'm getting so fed up and annoyed with all these reboots. Star Trek, Planet of the Apes, Star Wars, Mad Max. Why ruin a good series

Mad Max: Fury Road should continue with the story after Beyond Thunderdome.
To be honest, I'm really getting annoyed with people who insist they're annoyed at reboots. The original will always be there and won't run away so why would it ruin a good series?
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Old 24-07-2014, 10:28
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Reboots give fans of the original more choice so I'm in favour of them.

A rubbish reboot does not affect the original in any way.

Also once in a blue moon the reboot is actually better.
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Old 24-07-2014, 10:50
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I'd rather see a re-boot, than a re-make. Any old shit gets re-made these days, whether anyone cares or not, but at least a re-boot usually has a good and lasting pedigree behind it that means it's still popular and probably has a large fanbase. Whether the re-boot itself is any good is another matter, but I don't have any problem with the idea in general.

I'm getting so fed up and annoyed with all these reboots. Star Trek, Planet of the Apes, Star Wars, Mad Max. Why ruin a good series
Did the re-boots of Trek, Apes and Wars ruin the series? I mean, more so than the sequels/ prequels did? It's all subjective of course, but I'd say not. The two recent Apes films, for e.g. are a damn sight better than 3 - 5 of the original series (which is not to say they're terrible).
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Old 24-07-2014, 10:53
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I'm getting so fed up and annoyed with all these reboots. Star Trek, Planet of the Apes, Star Wars, Mad Max. Why ruin a good series

Mad Max: Fury Road should continue with the story after Beyond Thunderdome.
It's called the Law of Diminishing Returns. It's much easier to sell a re-imagined new Planet of the Apes series than it is to sell the umpteenth sequel to a 46-year-old film.

The exception to the rule is Star Wars which is going ahead with Episode VII, rather than a reboot.
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Old 24-07-2014, 10:53
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I wish there is more creativity and completely new films, instead of recycling ideas.
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Old 24-07-2014, 10:57
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I wish there is more creativity and completely new films, instead of recycling ideas.
There are statistically more original films released each year than ever before. Yes, there are more reboots and remakes but that's a given seeing as there are more films.
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Old 24-07-2014, 11:02
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I wish there is more creativity and completely new films, instead of recycling ideas.
Looking at it from the perspective of the rights holders, however, you're basically telling goldmine owners to stop digging.

Another way to look at it is that profit from known and successful brands does fund completely new films. It's not a case of Reboot X being made instead of Original Film Y.
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Old 24-07-2014, 12:42
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Spiderman is going to have plenty of movies as Sony refuse to give up the rights.

Fox are also going to be churning out X-Men movies for the foreseeable future in order to keep the license.
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Old 24-07-2014, 12:44
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I'm getting so fed up and annoyed with all these reboots. Star Trek, Planet of the Apes, Star Wars, Mad Max. Why ruin a good series

Mad Max: Fury Road should continue with the story after Beyond Thunderdome.
Star Wars isnt a reboot.
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Old 24-07-2014, 14:52
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Want some original ideas. I don't believe everything has already been done and we have to rehash movies, surely?
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Old 24-07-2014, 15:03
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I wish there is more creativity and completely new films, instead of recycling ideas.
What is your definition of 'more creativity and completely new'? Which recent film would you give as a good example?
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Old 24-07-2014, 15:04
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Want some original ideas.
And you're getting them. More original films are being made than ever before and that's partially due to profits from established brands/series.

Why do people perpetuate the myth that remakes and reboots are somehow hogging the space which would otherwise be occupied by new ideas? It's simply not true.

Every large business uses tried and tested brands to subsidise innovation.
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Old 24-07-2014, 15:29
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Remakes and reboots aren't necessarily a bad thing. Resurrecting an old film or franchise for a new audience with updated cinematography and sfx.
I was initially skeptical (as it turned out, rightly so) about the Robocop reboot. It was a slightly different take on the concept. It wasn't bad, just implemented badly.
Not so with the Apes update. Never liked the original(s) but I liked Rise and I'm looking forward to seeing Dawn.

The problem for me comes with rebooting or remaking recent films. The Spider-man and Fantastic Four come to mind. They're still fresh in the mind and other than a bit of hammy acting (FF) not too bad. Instead, they could just make sequels. We all know the same actor can't play the same character forever. RDj comes to mind. He was, in my opinion, perfectly cast as Tony Stark. But when he eventually gives up the character I fear a reboot will be on the cards for the Iron Man franchise. Likewise with Jackman and Wolverine.

And as others have said. Star Wars is a sequel not a reboot/remake.
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Old 24-07-2014, 16:16
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I'm getting so fed up and annoyed with all these reboots. Star Trek, Planet of the Apes, Star Wars, Mad Max. Why ruin a good series
Mad Max: Fury Road should continue with the story after Beyond Thunderdome.
Mad max: fury road is a sequel its directed by the same guy who made parts 1 and 2 and half of part 3.
(George Miller)
rise/dawn of the apes are prequels not reboots as well.
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Old 24-07-2014, 17:16
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And technically, the new Treks aren't reboots either, although generally described and accepted as such.
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Old 24-07-2014, 21:58
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And technically, the new Treks aren't reboots either, although generally described and accepted as such.
Indeed. They contain one character from the original continuity who has been part of Star Trek since the unaired pilot episode.
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Old 25-07-2014, 08:54
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What is your definition of 'more creativity and completely new'? Which recent film would you give as a good example?
The last 2 movies I've watched are Gravity and Frozen.
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Old 25-07-2014, 09:31
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The last 2 movies I've watched are Gravity and Frozen.
Frozen isn't completely new. It's based on the Hans Christian Anderson story The Snow Queen. Great film, but not entirely original.
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Old 25-07-2014, 10:22
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Mad max: fury road is a sequel its directed by the same guy who made parts 1 and 2 and half of part 3.
(George Miller)
rise/dawn of the apes are prequels not reboots as well.
Well, if they are prequels to the original, they overwrite the continuity of Escape from the Planet of the Apes, Conquest of the Planet of the Apes and Battle for the Planet of the Apes.
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Old 25-07-2014, 11:03
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Well, if they are prequels to the original, they overwrite the continuity of Escape from the Planet of the Apes, Conquest of the Planet of the Apes and Battle for the Planet of the Apes.
Yes they do, Conquest and Battle are not very good anyway.
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Old 25-07-2014, 13:05
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Yes they do, Conquest and Battle are not very good anyway.
Has anyone involved in the new series actually stated that the 1968 film is part of the canon? Or is it just your interpretation?

Even if the new series does incorporate the 1968 film, the fact remains that it reboots the origin story from the last three films in the original series. This would place it alongside Halloween: H20 and Superman Returns as a film which deliberately overwrites the less successful entries in the series. I call this "Reboot to last stable configuration."
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Old 25-07-2014, 13:22
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I'm getting so fed up and annoyed with all these reboots. Star Trek, Planet of the Apes, Star Wars, Mad Max. Why ruin a good series

Mad Max: Fury Road should continue with the story after Beyond Thunderdome.
Whoa! I think you should do some research before posting.

Firstly, 2009 was the first time the Star Trek movies had been rebooted. Considering ST: MO aired in 1979, I'd say one reboot in the space of 30 years isn't that bad. Plus, as others have pointed out, it's technically not a reboot as Spock Prime remembers the old universe.

Secondly, Apes is a prequel, not a reboot. Just they may overwrite some of the later movies, but the plan is for the third one to lead into the original.

Thirdly, Star Wars is not a reboot of any shape or form (the clue's in the name, Episode VII)

Finally, there do tend to be new and original movies, they just don't seem to gain much traction or they're just plain rubbish (Transcended & Elysium come to mind)

That being said, 2 of the best films I saw in 2012 were originals. Django Unchained and Looper.
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Old 25-07-2014, 13:26
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The new Apes films are a reboot of the franchise, and not prequels. Set "before" the original, but with a new origin story and separate continuity and so not prequels.

Has anyone officially said they're prequels to the original and part of the same continuity?
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Old 25-07-2014, 17:37
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Planet of the Apes 2001 was a reboot and Rise of the Planet of the Apes is another reboot.

There are 3 different Planet of the Ape universes that are totally different to one another, they all inevitably lead to apes taking over but in their own different way.

Some may argue that Planet of the Apes 2001 was a remake or a re-imagined version of the original 1968 movie.
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