Helen said the face thing yes. Are you watching Emmerdale instead ?

Sorry Cat....didn't see that bit

No just watching back at how sour Danielle and Ashleigh were hitting on Helen about she always says it to people's faces......................and she did.

That was my point.

Whereas all the promises in the world to the viewers...Danielle and Ashleigh never did, did they?

Helen doesn't always though none of the housemates do. Tonight what she said in those clips , when she actually said them Stephen wasn't in the room at the time. Yes Ashleigh did , search on a site called daily motion for the full argument between Helen and Ashleigh one night , it may still be around. Ashleigh said things to Helen's face that night. Also no one obviously says everything they may think about someone to there face all the time that's not life obviously. If we all did do that they'd be fights in the street everywhere we go all day long

Everything you've said is very true and I swear that's the way I go about my life too.

However my interest in BB is the contradictions that go on.....with the housemates themselves and also the viewers.

I would love a very good author to write about this series and all the contradictions from all parties.

Mind you, he or she would need Mark as a psychic consultant to give us the parts we will never know

I wan't mystic meg to help too Anyway goodnite , i've got to get some shut eye

By speaking Helen's words back without context, rather than showing the actual footage to the housemates, you could say BB was indeed lying, in a way, and to Helen's disadvantage. They should have showed more examples, but using the actual footage.

We saw the footage though but yeah BB should have played it into the house too.

It did - they even put on the subtitles. What more do you want?!

"I just think, what a f*cking tramp.." Was the first line of the quote.

Funny ? I do not find Helen's presence in the house at all funny in any way. She has spoiled the series for me with her bullying which has gone unchecked apart from a slap on the wrist from Big Brother.

Yes I watched it back again and you're right, I was thinking of the effing at the end of the clip, but the clip was taken out of the context of the conversation though, she wasn't calling KIM a tramp.

Showing the clip about the tramp comment would not have helped Helen.
There was no benefit to her to show that comment in the context of just saying, "I just think, what a f×××××× tramp".

Good grief...

I think although she is definitely a bit embarrassed by it she loves it because it's male attention and in particular, Ash attention. She seems completely smitten with him and I fear she is in for heartbreak there.

Yes it did but to be fair she wasn't calling Kim a tramp. It was shown out of context but maybe it will make her think that maybe some of the things she's heard were also taken out of context. But wait....... it's Helen so she probably won't

I know where you are coming from Cat, it was rather funny because deep down she was so ashamed. Perhaps Helen needs more reminders like that, don't you think?

It was actually in the conditional. "[If I was watching this on telly] I'd just think, what a f×××××× tramp."

Now you can easily say that's no improvement (although together with her tone I think it is slightly) but I'm saying they should have seen the actual clips and been able to decide the context of each quote for themselves. For some quotes it would help her, for others it would make it worse. Unfortunately this way she's able to foghorn "out of context" and browbeat them into agreeing that this small sample of quotes were effectively lies to set her up.

I agree with you both. I think BB has been a rather uncomfortable journey for Helen and the other hms who've been subjected to her drunken rants. BB showing her those clips is hopefully a wake up call for her in how unkind she can be.

That said, I don't think she's a bad person at all and has the capacity for changing some of her behaviour. And after the tanning scene, I now know were Jale was coming from with Ash. He and Winston in that scene showed a side of themselves that wasn't nice at all and summed up to me how they view Helen. Either that or my perception is way off.

Helen was outraged because she was caught out. When she was in the diary room the penny dropped when they told her they were actual quotes. Nasty person, nasty mouth

Set up Helish that's a laugh she has a free pass too the final and unlike any other HM before is invincible as being evicted is their greatest fear in normal BB, such is her power Ash the user of women has ridden on her coat tails all the way though, he was aghast at being up during the week so much so he would see an 18yr old girl replace him, talk about shameless! Remember his entrance VT, he and his hunky mates have women falling at their feet they are so handsome according to Ash.

Yes, I can't really argue with this response, other than to confirm I don't think the conditional, "if I was watching this on telly..." makes the comment sound any better.
I don't know Helen, but from what I have seen of her, the prefix to the tramp comment would have done nothing to placate her if she was the one being talked about.

The initial premise of the thread, that BB had set Helen up with a lie has been disproven.
I would very much agree with you that for some quotes showing them might have helped.

Helen could have argued that, "I would have thought that if I saw it on telly, but because I know you I don't think that...", but well all know that, even if she didn't express her opinion that harshly, she has been shown saying how unimpressed she is by the fact Kim and Steven had sex.

I think, for the most part BB did her a favour by not showing the clips and not, and far as we know, confirming to the house that they were all genuine quotes.

For me this is similar to Danielle's "slags" comment - saying how you would see yourself in that situation without going quite so far as to say directly that this is how you see others.

But if it was wrong for Danielle to do it - and Helen was adamant that it was - then surely it was wrong for Helen to do something similar.

Agreed and agreed. I just wanted more clear cut reasons for her to squirm, unmuddied by context issues. We've been waiting for her to get the kind of comeuppance other housemates have received throughout the series, and if that was the extent of it, boo BB.

You're right about the initial premise of the thread, however I did go on to say that I was wrong about that and also that BB's aim was to show Helen a side of her that was unpleasant. I just thought at the time it was quite funny how she can take one word out of context (because she could not recall saying that one word) and get really intense about it) as a way of defending herself. It was like a built-in self protectiveness to shut out everything else that she's said.

I think deep down she is ashamed of how she's came across and was mortified that BB brought up those quotes. I would hope it goes some way of her making changes in how she communicates with hms she doesn't agree with.

Yes, I completely agree.