Chris and Ashleigh are too busy being grateful that Helen didn't rip them to pieces after the nomination reveal, they are really scared of her it's ridiculous

Why does Chris keep emphasizing how he has been able to 'look after himself' for the last five years ?

Is there something wrong with him then ?

I mean why does he think 'looking after himself' is such an achievement for a man of his age ?

There was something odd about that conversation

I don't really know why people are doubting Ashleigh's loyalty to Christopher at this point. Ashleigh was instrumental in Christopher not being up for eviction this week saying that he is really close to them and empathising with how it must feel for him to be put up by housemates each week, plus she has never nominated him.
I think more attention should be paid here to Christopher's own words of wisdom which he gave to Pav today...that there are people there they will never be friends with, but of course they will get on with from time to time.
Do Chris and Ashleigh know that Christopher is fretting over this? I don't think so. Helen mentioned last night not to tell Christopher what they knew from the ex housemates but I think that was in relation to Zoe and Pav. They agreed with her but that doesn't mean that they have it in for Christopher. He is very diplomatic and may see the point in airing all of this with Zoe and Pav wheras the others are seeing it as more of a power to hold. I don't think it was vindictive against Christopher, in fact I see it as a compliment to his character that they didn't tell him.
I think if they realised that he was upset re what was said about him, they would tell him straight away that it was positive. Why Mark doesn't do this is anyone's guess!!

It certainly isn't an excuse. Its more disappointing because they've shown him that affection before. Their loyalty and respect for him is obviously less than their need to do as Helen says.

Because he's one of a few in there that actually do, Matthew, ash marlon etc live with thir mums

Mark acts really really strangely towards Christopher if he isn't interested in him romantically why doesn't he just tell him, he gets really offended if Christopher shows him any tiny amount of affection, like in the earlier video where Mark gives Christopher a hug and Chris hugs him back he just gets really pissy with him for no reason.
He does that a lot

It is scary the amount of power she has over the house, and that power I think lies in the fact that she can be very aggressive. Take tonight for example when some of her private comments were exposed to others, no one took her to task on it. When it was Ashleigh and Danielle's comments, Helen was straight in there eventhough it was not directly related to her. Mark was running after her to assure her that there could be a mistake, though she later remembered it in the diary room and said she didn't give a shit about most of the house. No one wants to be on the receiving end of her anger, and therein lies her power. And boy, does she know it!!

As for Mark, I'm still very suspicious of his new found love for Christopher after realising his popularity!! There is the chance that Mark is just very insecure when it comes to his love life but I'm verging towards popularity being Mark's main aim.

Well that's all nice and explanatory of Chris and Ashleigh's actions, or lack thereof, but why is Christopher still in the dark about what he wants to know in this clip? Either he approached Chris and Ashleigh and they didn't spill or he didn't feel he could approach them about it. Either way it doesn't give credence to a strong friendship between them.

Quite. They're all terrified of her. Chris was actually weeping tears of joy and relief in the diary room two nights ago because Helen hadn't ripped him a new one. Now they're all busy keeping Christopher in the dark while they paint Pav and Zoe as the bad guys. It's all rather pathetic.

Thanks for the explanations

Is there a strong friendship between any of them though? I do think that Ashleigh has been loyal to Christopher, has fought his corner and comforted him at times. Loyalty and allies are good in this house and I'm not sure that Mark wouldn't throw him under the bus if needs be. If Christopher got booed, which is highly unlikely, I wonder where Mark's loyalties would lie. As for Chris, I think he does like him but he did nominate him when he was PH and I think he would have done again this week had it not been for Ashleigh. That is only speculation of course.
When Christopher was in the morgue with Helen and Kim, he didn't leap to Ashleigh's defence either. I don't think these things will matter between them however as they are situations that occur but because they like each other, they still have that loyalty in the house.
I like Chris, Christopher and Ashleigh but am now quite unsure of Mark's intentions again!

If there are future nominations I think Ashleigh could favor Winston, Mark and Ash above Christopher. Watch this space!

They are terrified of her and it is pathetic but understandable. I feel for Zoe and Pav but new housemates at week 6 are always going to be treated with suspicion. They have no reason to think that their friend in the house- Matthew and Danieele- would lie to them and even Bianca said not to trust Pav, and she entered with him after watching the whole series!
I feel more sorry for Pav though as I don't think he has the vibrant and engaging personality that Zoe has, and therefore will find it harder to make any house friends.

Yeah it might happen, but I'm only commenting on what we've seen thus far.
Still think Christopher is more likely to pick up noms from the other housemates and hope that Ashleigh and Chris stay on his side but who knows what will happen next week!
Christopher's own noms have been quite varied with Danielle and Matthew in week 1 and Chris in week 3.

I don't think it's remotely understandable. If one of the HM's had had the balls to go toe to toe with her early on then not only would her pass have been revoked, she probably would have been removed from the house for aggressive behaviour as she really doesn't argue very well.

I think that early on in the series, many are finding their feet. Anyone who would have the personality to go toe for toe with her has been evicted. The housemates we have left are either very much on her side, or trying to avoid conflict with her. There are many ways to get one over on someone, and they don't all involve being as aggressive as possible. Take previous series for example, many times the housemates who avoid these confrontations win out in the end. The trouble this year is that Helen has a pass to the final so can't be evicted. This does make a huge difference because if there's a nasty confrontation where housemates really say what they feel, they are the ones in jeopardy of being shown in the bad light and evicted. There's no guarantee that her pass would be revoked, as we know she has received many warnings for her behavior. The housemates all seem to know about these warnings as it's been mentioned by many of them, as recent enough as tonight on BOTS. They have witnessed the behaiour and seen her sail through while others have been evicted and forgotten about. That's why I think it's understandable

Mark confuses screaming, intimidation and bullying for rational argument.

But then the view of the world does seem rather skewed in that house. When Christopher, a handsome, educated man, solvent, with a career, ambition, erudition and and free of malice or vindictiveness, is viewed as less of a catch than a dumpy little moron, with painted on eyebrows, a perma-orange spray tan, no education, the IQ of a turnip, no means of supporting himself and a habit of running away from debts.

Go figure.

I agree

BIB

Thank you.

So many times I am reading that HM are scared of Helen as if that's an excuse to behave as badly as they do.
All of them.

What on earth are they scared of?
As you say, she's not very good at arguing.
So what is it?
Scared of a bit of bad language and name calling?
How old are they?

Of all the places in the world where you can let rip and really stand toe to toe and shout it out, BB is just about the safest.

They are not scared of her, what they are scared of what it might make them look like.
Whether the other HM will side with them, whether they will have any "friends" in the house afterwards.
They don't have the self confidence in themselves to know when they are right and to hell with the consequences because long term, that will proved.


Basically, cowardly, naked self interest.
Actual fear is way down the list.

I'm sorry, I'm confused Wasn't Ashleigh saved for exactly that reason, that she said she would confront Helen.

Well I can't speak for everybody who saved Ashleigh, but as I say there are many ways to defeat someone that don't involve being aggressive.
I didn't think we were debating why Ashleigh was saved, but rather why housemates are reluctant to enter ' toe to toe' with Helen and her power in the house. I'm now confused as to why you're confused

Is there so much wrong with that attitude though? To proceed in the game you need some level of public popularity and some level of house popularity.
The difference is Helen has a pass to the final so she's there until the end. Some housemates seem to encourage and support her behaviour and I wonder how much they actually like her. Others tolerate her and avoid confrontation with her, yet we know that they dislike her. Take her pass away, and you'll see a different side to those that actually oppose her.

Yeah, but if the clip's from tonight, it perfectly demonstrates why Ashleigh and Chris might get tired of Christopher. He seems to have a tendency to over-analyse, to say the least. The PHM task finished two days ago and he's still going on about it.

Mark, on the other head, is a sick little goblin, though that Christopher still hasn't realised this and distanced himself accordingly isn't exactly a point in his favour either.

Christopher may be a nice guy, but if he wants to win the show, or at least beat Mark (that would be sweet) he needs to get his act together.

Yes.

Why would you think that it would make you unpopular if you knew you would be right to pull a person up on their behavior?

Thing is, I like Helen.
Wouldn't stop me rowing with or questioning her if she was in the wrong.

No, not that I'm aware of.
I don't recall her ever saying that she would confront her. She did say that she would be ready for her if she started carrying on with her. When Helen did do that she had a go back at her.