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Christopher's got the hump with Mark (video)
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Scout66
25-07-2014
When it comes Mark I think of this Mark Twain quote. "Never argue with stupid people. They will bring you down to their level and beat you with experience"

As for the assertion people are afraid to confront Helen it's bollocks. She's gobby not scary. What they can't figure out is that her mates Ash, Winston and Mark all get cheers now during the live shows. Mathew, Danielle and Toya who all said nasty things about Helen behind her back (they did that to all the others as well) were evicted and loudly boo'd. Ashleigh has never confronted Helen, just played victim. They are confused as to what would happen to their audience reaction if they had an argument with her.
As already stated I don't think Mark is playing dumb I genuinely think he's as dumb as a box of rocks. He must be really, really confused by audience reactions.......Ohhhh Mah Gawwwwwwwwd.
Alrightmate
25-07-2014
Originally Posted by bookclub10:
“Is there so much wrong with that attitude though? To proceed in the game you need some level of public popularity and some level of house popularity.
The difference is Helen has a pass to the final so she's there until the end. Some housemates seem to encourage and support her behaviour and I wonder how much they actually like her. Others tolerate her and avoid confrontation with her, yet we know that they dislike her. Take her pass away, and you'll see a different side to those that actually oppose her.”

I think that there's some truth in that. People are going to want to avoid conflict with her if they can, because in any given week if two housemates have a blazing row with each other it's usually the case that viewers tend to take the view of one side over another. So if Helen has a row with somebody only one side of the argument can get evicted for behaving 'badly'.

It's why this pass to the final is more power than just getting straight through to the final, it also affords the recipient the power to eliminate opponents along the way by treating them however they see fit in the full knowledge that they can be evicted and the holder of the pass can't. To some extent they can influence who gets the final with them.

Any housemate who gets into an argument with Helen by taking a stance against her is walking on very risky ground. For Helen there is no risk whatsoever.
It's much easier to be 'honest' and 'say things to people's faces' when there is no risk involved or no worry about getting yourself nominated and then evicted.
Alrightmate
25-07-2014
Originally Posted by dialectic:
“If there are future nominations I think Ashleigh could favor Winston, Mark and Ash above Christopher. Watch this space!”

Ashleigh made it quite clear several times that there was no way that she was going to nominate Christopher. She said it was a no-brainer.

I think that some Christopher supporters are getting very paranoid for no good reason.
I've see it over this week building up, that Ashleigh and Chris are going to do this to him, that they are going to do that to him, that they are going to 'throw him under a bus'.
But they haven't.
And there's been nothing to suggest that they will either.

There is all this paranoia about what some perceive Ashleigh and Chris might do to him, but hardly any concern about what others might do to him in there who have actually treated him badly in there before.
Grandmother
25-07-2014
Originally Posted by Alrightmate:
“I think that there's some truth in that. People are going to want to avoid conflict with her if they can, because in any given week if two housemates have a blazing row with each other it's usually the case that viewers tend to take the view of one side over another. So if Helen has a row with somebody only one side of the argument can get evicted for behaving 'badly'.

It's why this pass to the final is more power than just getting straight through to the final, it also affords the recipient the power to eliminate opponents along the way by treating them however they see fit in the full knowledge that they can be evicted and the holder of the pass can't. To some extent they can influence who gets the final with them.

Any housemate who gets into an argument with Helen by taking a stance against her is walking on very risky ground. For Helen there is no risk whatsoever.
It's much easier to be 'honest' and 'say things to people's faces' when there is no risk involved or no worry about getting yourself nominated and then evicted.”

Indeed. Plus, the housemates have no real idea what the public thinks of Helen. All they've got to go on is Ash's continued survival, and what happened to Matthew after he took her on. Add in the fact that in a confined space, being on the receiving end of that level of aggression would be no fun for anyone, and it's not hard to see why the housemates, as a group, are doing whatever they can to defuse her rages, whenever it looks like .one of them might be brewing.
iMatt_101
25-07-2014
Christopher's a wet drip
Mark's a fake and annoying AF
Helen's a chav
hugsie
25-07-2014
For the life of me I can't understand why Christopher is so determined to go over this. His friend led a power alliance. She recruited other friends of his into it. They secured his safety from the eviction, giving him a well deserved break.
How they pulled it off, what they say or others say third hand about deciding is irrelevant.
They chose to save him when they had limited options. Why can't he take it as the compliment it is?
Violet_Blue
25-07-2014
Originally Posted by hugsie:
“For the life of me I can't understand why Christopher is so determined to go over this. His friend led a power alliance. She recruited other friends of his into it. They secured his safety from the eviction, giving him a well deserved break.
How they pulled it off, what they say or others say third hand about deciding is irrelevant.
They chose to save him when they had limited options. Why can't he take it as the compliment it is?”

I think it's mainly about what he was saying in the video.He doesn't like being underestimated and singled out and don't forget that information is power.
KatrinaK
25-07-2014
I'm so pleased Christopher stuck up for himself. He's right, people do treat him like a child. If he wants to over analyse things, let him. It's not the end of the world. I just think withholding information from one housemate, whatever the reason, just excludes him all the more. It just adds to the segregation to the house. When you factor in how many times he's been up for eviction, when he's bottom of the pecking order, chosen last, hardly considerered etc, it's no wonder he felt the need to defend himself. People do underestimate him in that house. His strength will be thier downfall - as we're seeing with Mark for example.

Christophers patience, resolve and calmness just shows everyone else up.
Violet_Blue
25-07-2014
Originally Posted by KatrinaK:
“I'm so pleased Christopher stuck up for himself. He's right, people do treat him like a child. If he wants to over analyse things, let him. It's not the end of the world. I just think withholding information from one housemate, whatever the reason, just excludes him all the more. It just adds to the segregation to the house. When you factor in how many nominations he's had, when he's bottom of the pecking order, chosen last, hardly considerered etc, it's no wonder he felt the need to defend himself.”

Great points, also isn't constantly being put down and singled out going to help make him more analytical and paranoid? Had Ashleigh and Chris just told him what was said that would be that.
Cornchips
25-07-2014
Originally Posted by bookclub10:
“I don't really know why people are doubting Ashleigh's loyalty to Christopher at this point. Ashleigh was instrumental in Christopher not being up for eviction this week saying that he is really close to them and empathising with how it must feel for him to be put up by housemates each week, plus she has never nominated him.
I think more attention should be paid here to Christopher's own words of wisdom which he gave to Pav today...that there are people there they will never be friends with, but of course they will get on with from time to time.
Do Chris and Ashleigh know that Christopher is fretting over this? I don't think so. Helen mentioned last night not to tell Christopher what they knew from the ex housemates but I think that was in relation to Zoe and Pav. They agreed with her but that doesn't mean that they have it in for Christopher. He is very diplomatic and may see the point in airing all of this with Zoe and Pav wheras the others are seeing it as more of a power to hold. I don't think it was vindictive against Christopher, in fact I see it as a compliment to his character that they didn't tell him.
I think if they realised that he was upset re what was said about him, they would tell him straight away that it was positive. Why Mark doesn't do this is anyone's guess!!”

Christopher knows what the ex HMs said about him he was sat in a group when Ashleigh and Chris were telling all of them that they had said he was a true friend to them.

The issue I think is what they said about Pav and Zoe. I have no idea why Helen directed them not to tell Christopher. I'm sure if Christopher asked Ashleigh she would tell him. Mark is just a Weasel who wants to come out of any situation on top. He often says horrible and nasty things about Christopher ev.en to his face but dresses them up with a laugh or a comment about not being said in a rude way.
moleymo
25-07-2014
Originally Posted by hugsie:
“For the life of me I can't understand why Christopher is so determined to go over this. His friend led a power alliance. She recruited other friends of his into it. They secured his safety from the eviction, giving him a well deserved break.
How they pulled it off, what they say or others say third hand about deciding is irrelevant.
They chose to save him when they had limited options. Why can't he take it as the compliment it is?”

Ex housemates two of which were close friends with him have said things about him and the new housemates in the diary room, as a result the whole house is suspicious of the new people and treating pav like crap, Christopher wants to know what's been said but Helen has forbidden his closest friends in the house from telling him, you wouldn't be frustrated? Also they are refusing to tell Christopher what was said about himself too which was all positive, why are they doing that? I'm almost as frustrated as poor Christopher to know why, their a bunch of weirdos, especially mark saying it's because he's trying to protect Christopher from knowing what was said
cazziekay
25-07-2014
Originally Posted by Alrightmate:
“That's actually an excellent point.
Why not indeed?

I get the feeling that it's information he's not keen on the rest of the house knowing should Christopher ever become a convenient scapegoat for some reason.
Often when people withhold information it can be because it gives them power.”

He is popular with the public and by not telling him the 'good points' said about him it is worrying him that something negative was said ... which I think is what Helen wants. She hates Christopher and his popularity grates on her.

Mark doesn't care about Christopher he constantly patronises him, orders him around, dismisses him, never defends him instead laughs at him along with Helen and her cronies. I think Mark latched on to him for purely selfish puposes and Christopher doesn't deserve to be treated that way.

I haven't had a fave this series but Christopher is becoming the hm I would like to win. He comes across as a decent guy and loyal friend. But sadly the people he gives his loyalty to don't deserve it.
Cornchips
25-07-2014
Originally Posted by hugsie:
“For the life of me I can't understand why Christopher is so determined to go over this. His friend led a power alliance. She recruited other friends of his into it. They secured his safety from the eviction, giving him a well deserved break.
How they pulled it off, what they say or others say third hand about deciding is irrelevant.
They chose to save him when they had limited options. Why can't he take it as the compliment it is?”

He was the same following Chris's stint at being PHM. He even nominated him the following week for not telling him he was the PHM. I think he is the sort that wants to know everything that is going on.
alimi
25-07-2014
I dont think Christopher has any genuine friends in the house, including Chris, who is an actor and Ashleigh who is just as bad as Helen in a way, she would kick over her own Gran if it got her a headline in The Daily Star, Kimbot has seen the reality with Stephen but is keeping up appearences for the few photoshoots, his mum looks, at last thoroughly embarrassed, Mark is the biggest fake in there and it comes to something that Helen is coming across as the most genuine to me, she is what it says on the tin, bb seriously needs to give it a rest
Cornchips
25-07-2014
Originally Posted by moleymo:
“Ex housemates two of which were close friends with him have said things about him and the new housemates in the diary room, as a result the whole house is suspicious of the new people and treating pav like crap, Christopher wants to know what's been said but Helen has forbidden his closest friends in the house from telling him, you wouldn't be frustrated? Also they are refusing to tell Christopher what was said about himself too which was all positive, why are they doing that? I'm almost as frustrated as poor Christopher to know why, their a bunch of weirdos, especially mark saying it's because he's trying to protect Christopher from knowing what was said”

He knows what they said about him. Ashleigh and Chris were explaining to Winston and Christopher about their options and they said that the ex HMs had confirmed Christopher was a true friend and that what was said about him was positive and as such didn't change their minds on the fact that they didn't want to nominate Christopher.

The stuff he doesn't know is the stuff said about Pav and Zoe.
BMLisa
25-07-2014
Originally Posted by dialectic:
“It's funny how Christopher's 'friends', Ashleigh and Chris, have not told him either. I've always been dubious about Chris or Ashleigh holding out any friendship for Christopher and I'd say he knows this too, which is why he is showing his disappointment to Mark, whom he believed was his friend. Now we know he isn't either.”

I'm not sure he asked them. He originally said on the night that he'd "wait for Mark to explain it all to him" I think he thinks it's a sore topic and best left. I suspect he's only tried to get to the bottom of it with Mark.

With regards to Ashleigh and Chris, I don't doubt their friendship with Christopher at all, but Ashleigh discounted Christopher from Power alliance immediately because she felt he couldn't make quick decisions and would flip flop so I can understand reluctance to give him info on HMs he likes right now.

I believe if he asked Chris or Ashleigh straight out they'd tell him.
moleymo
25-07-2014
Originally Posted by Cornchips:
“He was the same following Chris's stint at being PHM. He even nominated him the following week for not telling him he was the PHM. I think he is the sort that wants to know everything that is going on.”

Chris nominated Christopher when he was power house mate,! Christopher heard people shout that Chris was the PHM and although Christopher kept his secret for him Chris still lied to him and told him he wasn't even though Christopher who isn't stupid knew he was lying!
Wth why shouldn't Christopher have nominated Chris after that?
Violet_Blue
25-07-2014
Originally Posted by Cornchips:
“He was the same following Chris's stint at being PHM. He even nominated him the following week for not telling him he was the PHM. I think he is the sort that wants to know everything that is going on.”

I think it's the journalist in him lol.
yellowlabbie
25-07-2014
Originally Posted by cazziekay:
“He is popular with the public and by not telling him the 'good points' said about him it is worrying him that something negative was said ... which I think is what Helen wants. She hates Christopher and his popularity grates on her.

Mark doesn't care about Christopher he constantly patronises him, orders him around, dismisses him, never defends him instead laughs at him along with Helen and her cronies. I think Mark latched on to him for purely selfish puposes and Christopher doesn't deserve to be treated that way.

I haven't had a fave this series but Christopher is becoming the hm I would like to win. He comes across as a decent guy and loyal friend. But sadly the people he gives his loyalty to don't deserve it.”

and he still jumps into bed every night with Mark even though Mark is horrible to him.
Scrovegni
25-07-2014
Originally Posted by hugsie:
“For the life of me I can't understand why Christopher is so determined to go over this. His friend led a power alliance. She recruited other friends of his into it. They secured his safety from the eviction, giving him a well deserved break.
How they pulled it off, what they say or others say third hand about deciding is irrelevant.
They chose to save him when they had limited options. Why can't he take it as the compliment it is?”

What I don't understand is why Chris and Ashleigh chose the Awful Mark over Christopher to be a PHM, not only that but Winston was next in line if they had to choose another.

I don't care if they weren't going to pick him to be up for eviction, they treat him like a child.
moleymo
25-07-2014
Originally Posted by yellowlabbie:
“and he still jumps into bed every night with Mark even though Mark is horrible to him.”

It's the only bed available
yellowlabbie
25-07-2014
Originally Posted by Scrovegni:
“What I don't understand is why Chris and Ashleigh chose the Awful Mark over Christopher to be a PHM, not only that but Winston was next in line if they had to choose another.

I don't care if they weren't going to pick him to be up for eviction, they treat him like a child.”

I don't think they can trust him to be honest. He must have done something to make it so.
moleymo
25-07-2014
Originally Posted by Scrovegni:
“What I don't understand is why Chris and Ashleigh chose the Awful Mark over Christopher to be a PHM, not only that but Winston was next in line if they had to choose another.

I don't care if they weren't going to pick him to be up for eviction, they treat him like a child.”

They said they chose him because he is two faced , I believe that
yellowlabbie
25-07-2014
Originally Posted by moleymo:
“It's the only bed available”

OK, can he not share with someone else, Kim has gone hasn't she? Steven could share with Mark.
Violet_Blue
25-07-2014
Originally Posted by yellowlabbie:
“I don't think they can trust him to be honest. He must have done something to make it so.”

Yeah, because Christopher comes across as much less trustworthy than Mark....
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