I really hope not. To me Pav is a nice guy and has done nothing wrong yet. He doesn't deserve to win the show but he deserves another week.
Is it *possible* that the reason people don't like Pav is . . .
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Originally Posted by Rafferty:
“Didn't you get the answer you wanted here either?
http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showt...325&highlight=”
“Didn't you get the answer you wanted here either?
http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showt...325&highlight=”
Hmm, I think someone may have an agenda. Is it really necessary to start 3 threads on exactly the same topic?
It's to do with his amazing charisma. It's explosive charisma that's unmatched.
They are sickening bitter.
They are sickening bitter.
Originally Posted by Rafferty:
“Didn't you get the answer you wanted here either?”
“Didn't you get the answer you wanted here either?”
Haha. I forgot to track that thread so I haven't actually seen any of the replies to it. And so I forgot I even started it.
I'm interested that you're now the one making assumptions, viz that I'm looking for a specific answer. I'm not.
It was just something that occurred to me when I saw all the negativity towards Pav. I don't get it. He's no worse than any other housemate.
I also deliberately didn't use the word "racism" because I'm not really thinking of racism per se. I'm more thinking about cultural differences. People like people who are like themselves. We see this clearly in the house. There are the cool ones -- mostly the good looking ones -- who all hang out together, and then there are the others who've formed a clique of their own in response to their exclusion from the cool group.
It's overwhelmingly clear that people judge others based on looks. Winston is enormously popular despite being as dull as ditchwater and a laddish, sexist fool. But he's good looking so a lot of people think he's great anyway.
This is as legitimate a thread as any. The whole of this forum is about discussing housemates, their relationships with each other, and what we think of them and their relationships.
We're on a sticky wicket if we're not allowed to talk about race in this way. Others have observed that women seem to be evicted disproportionately. Are we not allowed to talk about that, either? Straight people seem to be evicted disproportionately, too. Is that off-limits?
I think it's interesting to note patterns and then to think about what they might mean.
I don't think engaging in such discussions makes a person racist, sexist or homophobic.
You don't know whether I'm black/white, male/female, gay/straight, so it's not easy to figure out my "agenda", assuming I have one.
People don't like him because BB have cast him as a villain. Also, he's not coming across as forward and open as the rest of the HMs, and he IS a newbie, let's not forget that. He's relatively boring and an easy target.
Race doesn't come into it, as far as I can tell.
Race doesn't come into it, as far as I can tell.
Originally Posted by Prof_Matt:
“. . . because he's Asian?
It may be coincidence that the only two black housemates were voted out in weeks 2 and 3 and now there's an Asian housemate there's an awful lot of criticism of him. (Though to be fair, the GBP did vote to save him over Bianca.)”
“. . . because he's Asian?
It may be coincidence that the only two black housemates were voted out in weeks 2 and 3 and now there's an Asian housemate there's an awful lot of criticism of him. (Though to be fair, the GBP did vote to save him over Bianca.)”
no pauline got evicted because of her personality same with toya pav has come late in the show not really had a chance to build a fan base and not seeing him do very much
Originally Posted by KatrinaK:
“Skin colour has nothing to do with it.
Gina, Shilpa, Deena, Brian B to name a few?
Viewers dislike HM because of the way they are presented to us on screen.
I actually don't mind Pav. He hasn't done anything wrong and what annoys me is he's getting accused of doing things and being someone he isn't. I just find him boring. He's a leave or take HM.
I don't think anything is to do with race.”
“Skin colour has nothing to do with it.
Gina, Shilpa, Deena, Brian B to name a few?
Viewers dislike HM because of the way they are presented to us on screen.
I actually don't mind Pav. He hasn't done anything wrong and what annoys me is he's getting accused of doing things and being someone he isn't. I just find him boring. He's a leave or take HM.
I don't think anything is to do with race.”
All those four 'black' housemate had very TOWIE - esque image's. This image is popular with most of the eviction crowd and BB voters. So they are liked from the get go and have to do something 'wrong' to be disliked.
This is not the case for Pav. His traditional Sikh image does not secure immediate popularity, he has to do 'good' things to earn popularity - but time is not on his side.
Originally Posted by eva_prior:
“All those four 'black' housemate had very TOWIE - esque image's. This image is popular with most of the eviction crowd and BB voters. So they are liked from the get go and have to do something 'wrong' to be disliked.
This is not the case for Pav. His traditional Sikh image does not secure immediate popularity, he has to do 'good' things to earn popularity - but time is not on his side.”
“All those four 'black' housemate had very TOWIE - esque image's. This image is popular with most of the eviction crowd and BB voters. So they are liked from the get go and have to do something 'wrong' to be disliked.
This is not the case for Pav. His traditional Sikh image does not secure immediate popularity, he has to do 'good' things to earn popularity - but time is not on his side.”
Shilpa and Deana - TOWIE esque?
Really???
Nah, I don't think it has anything to do with him being asian. He's just, how can I put it, a bit sinister & creepy.
Originally Posted by peterstone:
“Shilpa and Deana - TOWIE esque?
Really???”
“Shilpa and Deana - TOWIE esque?
Really???”
Definitely, they were very into glamorous clothes, jewellery and make-up etc. Shilpa and Deena were Bollywood, and TOWIE people refer to themselves as British Hollywood.
So very much the 'same cloth' HMs wrt their image
Originally Posted by Purves Grundy:
“Pav is not disliked outside of the house, as far as I can tell anyway. The only reason he's disliked in the house is because of Danielle and Bianca spreading bitter, slanderous bullshit about him in that stupid task.”
“Pav is not disliked outside of the house, as far as I can tell anyway. The only reason he's disliked in the house is because of Danielle and Bianca spreading bitter, slanderous bullshit about him in that stupid task.”
I agree. I think latecomers are always at a massive disadvantage anyway as they're like the new kid at school. Friendships have already been formed and it's hard to come in and integrate.
Newcomers have to really come in with a bang to avoid being evicted at the first opportunity - though maybe not with quite as big a bang as Biannca!
I think, had the seed of suspicion not been planted in the HMs head about him, he'd be gradually finding his feet by now but the rug has well and truly been pulled from under him now, which is a shame.
Someone said that he's like an old school BB HM that you could imagine being in one of the earlier C4 shows rather than this shambles we have now and I can definitely see that
Originally Posted by Blondie X:
“I agree. I think latecomers are always at a massive disadvantage anyway as they're like the new kid at school. Friendships have already been formed and it's hard to come in and integrate.
Newcomers have to really come in with a bang to avoid being evicted at the first opportunity - though maybe not with quite as big a bang as Biannca!
I think, had the seed of suspicion not been planted in the HMs head about him, he'd be gradually finding his feet by now but the rug has well and truly been pulled from under him now, which is a shame.
Someone said that he's like an old school BB HM that you could imagine being in one of the earlier C4 shows rather than this shambles we have now and I can definitely see that”
“I agree. I think latecomers are always at a massive disadvantage anyway as they're like the new kid at school. Friendships have already been formed and it's hard to come in and integrate.
Newcomers have to really come in with a bang to avoid being evicted at the first opportunity - though maybe not with quite as big a bang as Biannca!
I think, had the seed of suspicion not been planted in the HMs head about him, he'd be gradually finding his feet by now but the rug has well and truly been pulled from under him now, which is a shame.
Someone said that he's like an old school BB HM that you could imagine being in one of the earlier C4 shows rather than this shambles we have now and I can definitely see that”
Yes, he does seem like a HM from an earlier Channel 4 series who's been catapulted into the show's future by mistake.
It's just a bit harsh for him to first come in half way through (always a massive disadvantage) and then have effectively lies spread about him from outside the house. Then, just to compound matters, the Queen of Tarts told the rest of her loyal subjects not to give him any info on what was said about him so he can't even defend himself.
BB should give both him and Zoe the courtesy of showing what was said about him by the three ex-HMs. At the very least I hope he gets some cheers on eviction night.
Originally Posted by Ronell_Davis:
“Why is race and skin colour always brought in to it ? I don't like Pav because so far he's come across very boring and does not bring a lot to the house .”
“Why is race and skin colour always brought in to it ? I don't like Pav because so far he's come across very boring and does not bring a lot to the house .”
I's not always brought into it.
It's sometimes brought into it, as are other things.
I think it's a fair question, even though some find it uncomfortable to consider.
Are quiet male housemates usually disliked so much?
I don't think they are. They are usually seen to be accused of coasting through to the final by 'flying under the radar'.
In these times some Asian people really are looked at with more distrust than they deserve in society. So why would the BB house suddenly be different?
The question in the OP is 'Is it POSSIBLE?', and I think that it is. I believe that it's a fair question to ask.
I think that difference of any kind is often looked at with more scrutiny from a majority who might tend to favour what is more familiar to them.
Originally Posted by Prof_Matt:
“. . . because he's Asian?
It may be coincidence that the only two black housemates were voted out in weeks 2 and 3 and now there's an Asian housemate there's an awful lot of criticism of him. (Though to be fair, the GBP did vote to save him over Bianca.)”
“. . . because he's Asian?
It may be coincidence that the only two black housemates were voted out in weeks 2 and 3 and now there's an Asian housemate there's an awful lot of criticism of him. (Though to be fair, the GBP did vote to save him over Bianca.)”
It could be but how would we ever know?
It could be because people think that too many women have been evicted and want to even things out.
Originally Posted by Prof_Matt:
“Haha. I forgot to track that thread so I haven't actually seen any of the replies to it. And so I forgot I even started it.
I'm interested that you're now the one making assumptions, viz that I'm looking for a specific answer. I'm not.
It was just something that occurred to me when I saw all the negativity towards Pav. I don't get it. He's no worse than any other housemate.
I also deliberately didn't use the word "racism" because I'm not really thinking of racism per se. I'm more thinking about cultural differences. People like people who are like themselves. We see this clearly in the house. There are the cool ones -- mostly the good looking ones -- who all hang out together, and then there are the others who've formed a clique of their own in response to their exclusion from the cool group.
It's overwhelmingly clear that people judge others based on looks. Winston is enormously popular despite being as dull as ditchwater and a laddish, sexist fool. But he's good looking so a lot of people think he's great anyway.
This is as legitimate a thread as any. The whole of this forum is about discussing housemates, their relationships with each other, and what we think of them and their relationships.
We're on a sticky wicket if we're not allowed to talk about race in this way. Others have observed that women seem to be evicted disproportionately. Are we not allowed to talk about that, either? Straight people seem to be evicted disproportionately, too. Is that off-limits?
I think it's interesting to note patterns and then to think about what they might mean.
I don't think engaging in such discussions makes a person racist, sexist or homophobic.
You don't know whether I'm black/white, male/female, gay/straight, so it's not easy to figure out my "agenda", assuming I have one.”
“Haha. I forgot to track that thread so I haven't actually seen any of the replies to it. And so I forgot I even started it.
I'm interested that you're now the one making assumptions, viz that I'm looking for a specific answer. I'm not.
It was just something that occurred to me when I saw all the negativity towards Pav. I don't get it. He's no worse than any other housemate.
I also deliberately didn't use the word "racism" because I'm not really thinking of racism per se. I'm more thinking about cultural differences. People like people who are like themselves. We see this clearly in the house. There are the cool ones -- mostly the good looking ones -- who all hang out together, and then there are the others who've formed a clique of their own in response to their exclusion from the cool group.
It's overwhelmingly clear that people judge others based on looks. Winston is enormously popular despite being as dull as ditchwater and a laddish, sexist fool. But he's good looking so a lot of people think he's great anyway.
This is as legitimate a thread as any. The whole of this forum is about discussing housemates, their relationships with each other, and what we think of them and their relationships.
We're on a sticky wicket if we're not allowed to talk about race in this way. Others have observed that women seem to be evicted disproportionately. Are we not allowed to talk about that, either? Straight people seem to be evicted disproportionately, too. Is that off-limits?
I think it's interesting to note patterns and then to think about what they might mean.
I don't think engaging in such discussions makes a person racist, sexist or homophobic.
You don't know whether I'm black/white, male/female, gay/straight, so it's not easy to figure out my "agenda", assuming I have one.”
I didn't use the word agenda. Check
Originally Posted by Purves Grundy:
“Pav is not disliked outside of the house, as far as I can tell anyway. The only reason he's disliked in the house is because of Danielle and Bianca spreading bitter, slanderous bullshit about him in that stupid task.”
“Pav is not disliked outside of the house, as far as I can tell anyway. The only reason he's disliked in the house is because of Danielle and Bianca spreading bitter, slanderous bullshit about him in that stupid task.”
This ^^^
From watching and listening to Jale on BBBOTS last night. she hates him. and she's never met him.
if you were to mention his name to her she'd go ooh I hate him!
if you were to mention his name to her she'd go ooh I hate him!
Originally Posted by Purves Grundy:
“Pav is not disliked outside of the house, as far as I can tell anyway. The only reason he's disliked in the house is because of Danielle and Bianca spreading bitter, slanderous bullshit about him in that stupid task.”
“Pav is not disliked outside of the house, as far as I can tell anyway. The only reason he's disliked in the house is because of Danielle and Bianca spreading bitter, slanderous bullshit about him in that stupid task.”
This^^
I'd add Matthew to that too
I do not recognise the Pav they were talking about.
Originally Posted by Spidey1:
“From watching and listening to Jale on BBBOTS last night. she hates him. and she's never met him.
if you were to mention his name to her she'd go ooh I hate him!”
“From watching and listening to Jale on BBBOTS last night. she hates him. and she's never met him.
if you were to mention his name to her she'd go ooh I hate him!”
Because Jale has that brain condition - Silly Cow Disease
Originally Posted by Spidey1:
“From watching and listening to Jale on BBBOTS last night. she hates him. and she's never met him.
if you were to mention his name to her she'd go ooh I hate him!”
“From watching and listening to Jale on BBBOTS last night. she hates him. and she's never met him.
if you were to mention his name to her she'd go ooh I hate him!”
But ....not because he is Asian - it is because he is there & she isn't
Originally Posted by OldEnough:
“This^^
I'd add Matthew to that too
I do not recognise the Pav they were talking about.”
“This^^
I'd add Matthew to that too
I do not recognise the Pav they were talking about.”
Plus they seem to completely misunderstand what having a psychology degree means. They seem to think it gives him some sort of analytical superpowers.
I don't dislike him. But if I'm being honest I'm usually biased against newbies going into the house so tonight I want Pav/Zoe out. I hate (BB terms not real life) Helen/ Ash/Steve/Ashleigh but want all of them to stay over Pav and Zoe.
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