Marcus came on these forums after he was booted out... he was a strange one.
Noirin or Hazel!
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Originally Posted by patsylimerick:
“Oh I couldn't agree more!!!!! Same with Hazel last year, to a certain extent. Daley had a girlfriend, yet it was Hazel who got all the slack on here for going no further than heavy flirting. Contrast that with Kimberley and Steven! What a difference, eh?
I'm glad I wasn't on here in Noirin's year, to be honest; apparently MARCUS was a forum favourite!
Seriously?”
“Oh I couldn't agree more!!!!! Same with Hazel last year, to a certain extent. Daley had a girlfriend, yet it was Hazel who got all the slack on here for going no further than heavy flirting. Contrast that with Kimberley and Steven! What a difference, eh?
I'm glad I wasn't on here in Noirin's year, to be honest; apparently MARCUS was a forum favourite!
Seriously?”
Oh god, it was awful. I felt like Alice stepping through the looking glass, where a perfectly nice young woman being harangued by a grown wolverine-wannabe toddler in a vest was the devil incarnate. It was weird.
It didn't help that other favourites like Freddie, Siavash and (popular for 5 minutes) Bea took against her. Not until Hazel have I seen such a skewed and disproportionate level of criticism aimed at one person. It really showed me the inherent sexism on the forum, where men get an easier ride for doing far more.
Originally Posted by Scarlet O'Hara:
“Oh god, it was awful. I felt like Alice stepping through the looking glass, where a perfectly nice young woman being harangued by a grown wolverine-wannabe toddler in a vest was the devil incarnate. It was weird.
It didn't help that other favourites like Freddie, Siavash and (popular for 5 minutes) Bea took against her. Not until Hazel have I seen such a skewed and disproportionate level of criticism aimed at one person. It really showed me the inherent sexism on the forum, where men get an easier ride for doing far more.”
“Oh god, it was awful. I felt like Alice stepping through the looking glass, where a perfectly nice young woman being harangued by a grown wolverine-wannabe toddler in a vest was the devil incarnate. It was weird.
It didn't help that other favourites like Freddie, Siavash and (popular for 5 minutes) Bea took against her. Not until Hazel have I seen such a skewed and disproportionate level of criticism aimed at one person. It really showed me the inherent sexism on the forum, where men get an easier ride for doing far more.”
Sadly it was the women of the forum throwing the most vitriol... Which made me sad as a woman.
Originally Posted by AOTB:
“I appreciate this isn't specifically on topic but I always thought Hazel was way overrated looks wise. I mean don't get me wrong, she's clearly a looker but she's not anywhere near as amazing as many people on here seem to make out.
Anyone with me on this?”
“I appreciate this isn't specifically on topic but I always thought Hazel was way overrated looks wise. I mean don't get me wrong, she's clearly a looker but she's not anywhere near as amazing as many people on here seem to make out.
Anyone with me on this?”
Yes.
Grudgingly
Her features were coarse and a little vulgar, for want of a better word. Her makeup gun setting didn't help matters either
They both played a shit game
Sexual/flirty girls never come across well to most viewers, especially in the way Hazel and Noirin did it
So neither were popular with the viewers, therefore they played a shite game
Sexual/flirty girls never come across well to most viewers, especially in the way Hazel and Noirin did it
So neither were popular with the viewers, therefore they played a shite game
Originally Posted by patsylimerick:
“Now contrast the treatment of both Noirin and Hazel with the very mild and sympathetic treatment Kim got on here for actually shagging on TV; with a boyfriend at home.
It's quite unsettling to think about what the main distinction between Hazel and Noirin, and Kim is (nationality).”
“Now contrast the treatment of both Noirin and Hazel with the very mild and sympathetic treatment Kim got on here for actually shagging on TV; with a boyfriend at home.
It's quite unsettling to think about what the main distinction between Hazel and Noirin, and Kim is (nationality).”
I hadn't considered that. What a weird coincidence...or is it?
I figured it's a combination of things, like Kim being very passive and seemingly controlled by Steven, who's universally loathed in a way the other guys weren't. He's so bad she got sympathy instead of reproach. I think if it had been another series and another guy, the pitchforks would have been out for Kim. Michelle Bass lost a lot of cache for the table episode and for being the bunny boiler Steven is.
Kim was also quite placid and didnt 'flaunt' her sexuality directly at 'her prey' like Hazel did, or capitalise on her evident charms like Noirin was seen to be doing.
It's just really clear to me that the world of DS generally doesn't like sexually assertive, smart, self confident beauties whether they do or don't put out. They can't really win. It's OK to be pretty but by god, you have to be dumb or unassuming or beyond reproach or hitch yourself to an awful bloke (e.g. Sophie and Kris).
I actually really liked Hazel by the end, she could be fun and I think she was by far the most interesting housemate from that year, far more than the ridiculously overrated Dexter and Gina.
Noirin though I couldn't stand by the time she had gone. Good housemate and all that, but I found her vain, self-absorbed and a bit shrewish.
Noirin though I couldn't stand by the time she had gone. Good housemate and all that, but I found her vain, self-absorbed and a bit shrewish.
Originally Posted by iMatt_101:
“They both played a shit game
Sexual/flirty girls never come across well to most viewers, especially in the way Hazel and Noirin did it
So neither were popular with the viewers, therefore they played a shite game”
“They both played a shit game
Sexual/flirty girls never come across well to most viewers, especially in the way Hazel and Noirin did it
So neither were popular with the viewers, therefore they played a shite game”
they both became the top talking points of their years through the games they both played so i disagree with this.
Originally Posted by AOTB:
“Totally with you. I'd have Noireen above her both on looks and also game playing.
The Wolverine gone wrong dude and the Siavash and other guys were like like flies round shit when she was around. It was a bit embarassing to see grown men act like puppy dogs round her but I kinda get it, and totally fair play. more power to her for it too.
As for people moaning about the thread- it's more interesting than many current ones, and there are always old ones that pop up so I really don't know why people would have any problem with it, let alone take the time to come into here to actually post.
I'd tell people to jog on too.”
“Totally with you. I'd have Noireen above her both on looks and also game playing.
The Wolverine gone wrong dude and the Siavash and other guys were like like flies round shit when she was around. It was a bit embarassing to see grown men act like puppy dogs round her but I kinda get it, and totally fair play. more power to her for it too.
As for people moaning about the thread- it's more interesting than many current ones, and there are always old ones that pop up so I really don't know why people would have any problem with it, let alone take the time to come into here to actually post.
I'd tell people to jog on too.
”
i found the wolverine guy so cringy when he thought he stood a chance with her. As as for people complaining well they only come on here to complain anyways so let the sheltered ones have their day in the sun ������
Originally Posted by iMatt_101:
“They both played a shit game
Sexual/flirty girls never come across well to most viewers, especially in the way Hazel and Noirin did it
So neither were popular with the viewers, therefore they played a shite game”
“They both played a shit game
Sexual/flirty girls never come across well to most viewers, especially in the way Hazel and Noirin did it
So neither were popular with the viewers, therefore they played a shite game”
Wasn't Noirin the top female in BB10 for quite a while?
Granted she didn't have much competition in that regard, but for the first half of the series she seemed to be the female that had the biggest chance to win.
Originally Posted by 4troy7:
“I much preferred Norin that series died after she left”
“I much preferred Norin that series died after she left”
Agree.........
Originally Posted by Scarlet O'Hara:
“Well said! I never understood the level of animosity directed at Noirin on here, when Sree was frankly a stalker-like weirdo who she did nothing to lure, Marcus a petulant head-****er who acted like a teenager trying to sulk and manipulate her into staying close, and Siavash a master player himself. Of the three, it was only Siavash she could be accused of 'leading on' but she was called "a prick tease" all over this forum simply for being charming and naturally flirty. Some people have an innate ability to make people fall for them without doing much at all. Being aware that you have this effect, doesn't make you a conniving tease. Or at least, not when you're a bloke.
As for Hazel...the levels of bile about her were comically biblical. It was like she was this grand Eve character, or the fallen woman, tempting poor Daley and picking on little Gina.
Both times, I felt like I'd fallen into a different era. Neither woman was anywhere near as worthy of criticism as the collection of oddbods who lusted after them. And neither were particular gameplayers.”
“Well said! I never understood the level of animosity directed at Noirin on here, when Sree was frankly a stalker-like weirdo who she did nothing to lure, Marcus a petulant head-****er who acted like a teenager trying to sulk and manipulate her into staying close, and Siavash a master player himself. Of the three, it was only Siavash she could be accused of 'leading on' but she was called "a prick tease" all over this forum simply for being charming and naturally flirty. Some people have an innate ability to make people fall for them without doing much at all. Being aware that you have this effect, doesn't make you a conniving tease. Or at least, not when you're a bloke.
As for Hazel...the levels of bile about her were comically biblical. It was like she was this grand Eve character, or the fallen woman, tempting poor Daley and picking on little Gina.
Both times, I felt like I'd fallen into a different era. Neither woman was anywhere near as worthy of criticism as the collection of oddbods who lusted after them. And neither were particular gameplayers.”
Excellent post and I couldn't agree more, especially bib.
I loved Noirin, I agree with people who said she was charming, I never got a sense that she thought she was better than other people (who might be less beautiful than her) and it was funny watching pretty much everyone falling for her. When she left we were left with Rodrigo vs Charlie and Rodrigo and Sophie acting and pretending to be funny in the DR
Originally Posted by Scarlet O'Hara:
“Well said! I never understood the level of animosity directed at Noirin on here, when Sree was frankly a stalker-like weirdo who she did nothing to lure, Marcus a petulant head-****er who acted like a teenager trying to sulk and manipulate her into staying close, and Siavash a master player himself. Of the three, it was only Siavash she could be accused of 'leading on' but she was called "a prick tease" all over this forum simply for being charming and naturally flirty. Some people have an innate ability to make people fall for them without doing much at all. Being aware that you have this effect, doesn't make you a conniving tease. Or at least, not when you're a bloke.
As for Hazel...the levels of bile about her were comically biblical. It was like she was this grand Eve character, or the fallen woman, tempting poor Daley and picking on little Gina.
Both times, I felt like I'd fallen into a different era. Neither woman was anywhere near as worthy of criticism as the collection of oddbods who lusted after them. And neither were particular gameplayers.”
“Well said! I never understood the level of animosity directed at Noirin on here, when Sree was frankly a stalker-like weirdo who she did nothing to lure, Marcus a petulant head-****er who acted like a teenager trying to sulk and manipulate her into staying close, and Siavash a master player himself. Of the three, it was only Siavash she could be accused of 'leading on' but she was called "a prick tease" all over this forum simply for being charming and naturally flirty. Some people have an innate ability to make people fall for them without doing much at all. Being aware that you have this effect, doesn't make you a conniving tease. Or at least, not when you're a bloke.
As for Hazel...the levels of bile about her were comically biblical. It was like she was this grand Eve character, or the fallen woman, tempting poor Daley and picking on little Gina.
Both times, I felt like I'd fallen into a different era. Neither woman was anywhere near as worthy of criticism as the collection of oddbods who lusted after them. And neither were particular gameplayers.”
You noticed?.
Its such a burden - "having beauty like wot I have got"
Originally Posted by Sasparella:
“<puts hand up> me me me ! She was goodlooking, but she wasn't beautiful.”
“<puts hand up> me me me ! She was goodlooking, but she wasn't beautiful.”
Originally Posted by cavalli:
“Yes.
Grudgingly
Her features were coarse and a little vulgar, for want of a better word. Her makeup gun setting didn't help matters either”
“Yes.
Grudgingly
Her features were coarse and a little vulgar, for want of a better word. Her makeup gun setting didn't help matters either
”
Aha! I knew you two were ladies with good taste!
..well apart from when you are mean to poor defenceless posters like that AOTB guy on the internet .
Other than that, yeah Hazel is overrated.
The episodes following Noirin's eviction were the first time I'd ever lost motivation in watching BB. Every year I'd watch every episode without fail, but Noirin's eviction sucked the life out of that series and completely stopped dead most of the running storylines that had been established at that point.
Looking back, I think her eviction ultimately killed my love for BB a bit - not because she was my favourite ever or anything (though she was my clear fave in BB10) but because by losing interest that year, the habit of watching every night was broken, and since then I've been far more blah about watching each series consistently for ten weeks. Strangely enough, this has been the first year since back then that I'm still actively into a series this late in the run!
Looking back, I think her eviction ultimately killed my love for BB a bit - not because she was my favourite ever or anything (though she was my clear fave in BB10) but because by losing interest that year, the habit of watching every night was broken, and since then I've been far more blah about watching each series consistently for ten weeks. Strangely enough, this has been the first year since back then that I'm still actively into a series this late in the run!
Originally Posted by GuyWithNoName:
“bog off and make a thread about this series then. And please report the guy holding the gun to your head making you come on this thread, he really shouldn't be aloud to roam free ✌”
“bog off and make a thread about this series then. And please report the guy holding the gun to your head making you come on this thread, he really shouldn't be aloud to roam free ✌”
Lol
Originally Posted by AOTB:
“Totally with you. I'd have Noireen above her both on looks and also game playing.”
“Totally with you. I'd have Noireen above her both on looks and also game playing.”
I could never see Noirin's looks at all. Funny isn't it, the way some people just leave us cold? It's like the 100% blind spot I have always had over Jessica Simpson. She looks plain to me. I was always amazed a year later when people didn't think Shabby was pretty - I thought she was gorgeous.
Originally Posted by Trumbles:
“Yeah, most of the comment on here was more polarised (which is a nice way of saying 'screechy') than usual. I'm not sure how much of that was because people liked Gina - I'm inclined to think Hazel would still have been disliked even if Gina had been neutral to her (and perhaps Gina would have been marginally less popular...).
I didn't like Hazel much, but some of the comment on here was outrageous. The most disturbing thing was a sense that Daley's support seemed to increase after he was thrown out for threatening to nut her.”
“Yeah, most of the comment on here was more polarised (which is a nice way of saying 'screechy') than usual. I'm not sure how much of that was because people liked Gina - I'm inclined to think Hazel would still have been disliked even if Gina had been neutral to her (and perhaps Gina would have been marginally less popular...).
I didn't like Hazel much, but some of the comment on here was outrageous. The most disturbing thing was a sense that Daley's support seemed to increase after he was thrown out for threatening to nut her.”
Ironically, Daley got by far the most press out of BB14. The Star just didn't seem to be able to get enough of him, interviewing him day after day. I think the incident tapped into a deep and rather unacceptable male fear: that a woman will cock-tease them, they will lose their temper and hurt her, and it will be ALL HIS FAULT.
Originally Posted by 4troy7:
“I much preferred Norin that series died after she left”
“I much preferred Norin that series died after she left”
Apart from Nikki's eviction, I don't think I have been so relieved by an eviction in my life. I absolutely loathed the way it was turned into the Noirin show, none of it interesting at all.
Originally Posted by JesuLeChop:
“Why don't we discuss which guy”
“Why don't we discuss which guy”
Nah! Way more fun to hate the women. Men rule!.
Originally Posted by Scarlet O'Hara:
“It's just really clear to me that the world of DS generally doesn't like sexually assertive, smart, self confident beauties whether they do or don't put out. They can't really win. It's OK to be pretty but by god, you have to be dumb or unassuming or beyond reproach or hitch yourself to an awful bloke (e.g. Sophie and Kris).”
“It's just really clear to me that the world of DS generally doesn't like sexually assertive, smart, self confident beauties whether they do or don't put out. They can't really win. It's OK to be pretty but by god, you have to be dumb or unassuming or beyond reproach or hitch yourself to an awful bloke (e.g. Sophie and Kris).”
I think this post absolutely nails it. This is pretty much identical to my view re- esp the dumb and unassuming is ok vs any semblance of confidence, assertion or the worst crime of all, sexual confidence and and it's the death knell.
It's exactly as you put it here and the Sophie example illustrates it perfectly. Her letting her appearance slide over the weeks/ wearing less make up etc also helped a massive amount imo. It sounds awful even to write that last bit but I genuinely believe that it's true.
Originally Posted by AOTB:
“It's exactly as you put it here and the Sophie example illustrates it perfectly. Her letting her appearance slide over the weeks/ wearing less make up etc also helped a massive amount imo.”
“It's exactly as you put it here and the Sophie example illustrates it perfectly. Her letting her appearance slide over the weeks/ wearing less make up etc also helped a massive amount imo.”
I think you are contradicting yourself. Sophie's willingness to do a lingerie shoot after BB while still a stone heavier WAS charmingly sexually confident, as she was throughout. It is those who won't appear until they have a ton of makeup on who are insecure.
Originally Posted by cavalli:
“Oh nos, I can see we're going down that road again...”
“Oh nos, I can see we're going down that road again...
”
HERE I GO AGAIN ON MY OWN, GOING DOWN THE ONLY ROAD I'VE EVER KNOWN. LIKE A DRIFTER I WAS BORN TO WALK ALONE!!!
Originally Posted by wonkeydonkey:
“I think you are contradicting yourself. Sophie's willingness to do a lingerie shoot after BB while still a stone heavier WAS charmingly sexually confident, as she was throughout. It is those who won't appear until they have a ton of makeup on who are insecure.”
“I think you are contradicting yourself. Sophie's willingness to do a lingerie shoot after BB while still a stone heavier WAS charmingly sexually confident, as she was throughout. It is those who won't appear until they have a ton of makeup on who are insecure.”
With respect Ms Donkey, I don't believe I am contradicting myself, although I get what you're saying.
It's like when you see those whatever their names are Chantelle, and the other one Chanel (?) (the Ziggy one) doing the Daily Mail 'oh look at me papped on the beach looking out of shape' vs 6 months later here's my fitness dvd and photo shoot looking all slim/ sexy again. Having a photo shoot on its own is nothing to do with sexual confidence per se.
To me, Sophie (can't remember her surname) came across as more demure, wallflower than confident sexually forward woman, and the fact she was happy to go all casual and not slap on the make upe very day in the house didn't change that..
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