I agree, any normal week a newbie would have gone but Steven has been so yuck, he had to go. Chris is right.

I agree that he would have taken this into account.

He is probably the only one in there bright enough to have remembered all the uncertainties surrounding nominations. He probably suspected that Steven was likely to go from the booing and the whole Kimberly fiasco. Putting Pav and Zoe up along with Steven has increased knowledge of who is popular and who is not. Ashleigh got cheers. So did Pav but Steven went. Ergo Steven really was disliked. And of course Steven was the one who replaced Ash with Ashleigh who was booed last week.

It's probably got him some goody points from the gang especially Winston.

Honestly can't see what the fuss is about?
Chris would obviously feel more relaxed around one of the original HM's, and regardless of how he feels about Steven, he probably thought Pav would go first.
Being one of the PHM's that nominated Steven, he would also try and deflect any bad feeling away from himself.........it's called the BB Game! They all play it to different degrees, so why should he be called 'Hypocrite' etc?

Personally I'm dreading someone connecting Chris' apparent dislike of Pav with the contents of the major thread about people's dislike of Pav

Well everyone is entitled to their own opinion. The word"hypocrite" seems to be in fashion this year.

Previously it was "jellus".

Why "dreading"?

I was rather hoping somebody would, and to the ex HM's remarks about him.
It would help to put that nonsense to bed.

I don't think that he dislikes him I think that he probably resents him. Natural in the circumstances, especially as Jale and her crew saw Pav's VT misinterpreted it and fed it into the group along with Matthew and Danielle and Toyah and gobby Biannca. If that lot had not been let loose then Pav might have got an easier ride.

Ironically Pav has been proved to be more popular than Steven.

I'm sure Chris is DELIGHTED Steven has gone, not only because he never liked him but also because Steven so obviously wanted Chris out. He nominated him every time (his last word on nominations, for which he was rebuked, was that he would nominate Chris and Ashleigh), and constantly chose to name him as the reason for every supposed bad thing that happened in the house. It was almost an obsession for Steven. I think Chris is wary of Pav because he's so clearly bright AND he's seen the programme from Day 1 so could give all kinds of information to the HMs. As Chris has been extremely careful to keep his cards close to his chest, and thus avoid confrontation of any kind, that could be conceived as a threat.

I've always thought that Chris' suspicion (for want of a better word, as I don't think he dislikes him) of Pav is because they are similar people - observers, analysers. Chris wouldn't want somebody doing that to him, he wants to be the one doing it. It's never good to have 2 of you in the house Along with the general dislike of the status quo having changed of course.


I agree, after all the groomer - Ashleigh - is the one with the power, not the groomee (if there is such a word )

He didn't need to say anything about the new Housemates. He could have said it was a shame and left it like that. By saying so much he opened himself up on hypocrisy and I wish Ash had called him out on it.

His tactic is to isolate the new Housemates. Others are apparently being called out on this - he is rightly being too.

Nonsense - it was Helen who dictated that the newbies were to be isolated following the input from Jale and her cronies. She called a meeting to do it having ordered Pav out of the room.

Now that Pav has been proved to be more popular than Stevena and Zoe has been proved to be more popular than Steven Pav and Ashleigh, Helen will probably issue new orders.

In the meantime everyone, Chris included, will think very carefully about how to nominate.

Well, to be perfectly fair, Jale didn't have any input - she wasn't one of the 3 ex-housemates who got to speak to the PHM Alliance Jale hasn't been in the house whilst the newbies have been there or had any contact with the house as far as I'm aware.

But it would have made no difference - there were always four going to be put up. Therefore, the order in which they were chosen would have been irrelevant.

It may be irrelevant in the grand scheme of things, I think to Steven and Ash (and their cohorts) it was very relevant

I'm sorry I don't think Chris has it in him to 'isolate' anyone! he's just not that type of person.

Well that's the game. They know they are going to be nominated when they go in. Steven and Ash have nominated people, why should they not be nominated back?

IMO, Chris's primary reasons are two-fold:

1) Tactics as part of the BB game. He is merely trying to move the target from his and Ashleigh's back where it would inevitably be for next noms. On this front, I think fair enough

2) Territorial wrt Ashleigh. He is clearly in a unrequited love relationship with Ashleigh. Prior to the lies from the ex- HMs about Pav visa ve Ashleigh, there was a constructive relationship developing between Pav and Ashleigh. I think Chris is threatened that that may become reignited. He wants to keep Ashleigh all to himself. For this and other Jale-esque behaviour patterns he has increasingly displayed over the past few weeks, I have relegated him from one of my top four HMs.

I now no longer view his diary room entries as his insights. I see him practising his acting profession.

Yes, the heat must be getting to him, but his placating of Ash is attempt to defer next week's Noms. Clever In-House politics but he's forgotten it's the TV Viewers' favour he needs to cater to so even if he's UP, his challenging of the Cool Group will keep him In. Helen's arse isn't relevant this close to The Final but the Public is!

They do make me laugh how they always get so territorial.

Has a newbie ever won?

Absolutely! I always find it hysterical that people get so upset about being nominated whilst having just nominated themselves (although that privilege has been removed so often this year that it's become rather farcical and built up the paranoia so much more).

Entitled to their own opinions - Yes, but some of the adjectives being tossed about carelessly are IMO quite over the top.
This applies to all the HM's. Helen and Ashleigh in particular, have had some choice descriptions.
"Jellus" is one of the better ones! Perhaps a thread with some of the classic words/adjectives would be amusing.

You don't nominate someone that you don't want to be evicted. Maybe if you've already nominated three and you're struggling to find a fourth, but Steven was first choice.

It wasn't irrelevant to Steven , he was annoyed to be first selected.
You can see why. They did have to pick 4 but his name was the first one. That's makes him the one they like least

I was watching him talk to Ash and he said that he did not think it would and shhappen, the eviction of Steven, he thought it would have been Pav. Bewildered and seemingly shocked.