Did she actually say this? That is unbelievable

I hope for Pav's sake Ashleigh doesn't get mad at him, she might tell him to 'Get over yourself'.

Well he has a bit keeps saying it in the diary room and to some housemates. But yeah bb medaling and eviction crowds are the main reason everyones weary of him.

I can't stand Mark but maybe Pav has mentioned about making them a proper curry and he's now saying he'll help.

I know, scary.

Can you believe it I mean butter wouldn't melt

Sly, cunning and crafty fake Mark wants to do good for the public's eyes. Gawd he makes my skin crawl!

Pav simply cannot win when we have this kind of victim blaming. What an absolutely shitty position he is in. The ex HMS lie and the House run with that lie and engage with him less and less isolating him and making him less and less likely to go to them.

Anyone see him on that video last night when they were 'celebrating' Steven going and those remaining, well Ashleigh and Zoe? He looked genuinely nervous and uncomfortable

And now we too are joining in with the unacceptable and unjustifiable bad treatment of Pav. Still, I suppose if your favourite is bad mouthing him it's difficult not to to join in.

I like Pav but the interference by BB and the lies by Danielle and Matthew have isolated him not the HM's. The house is super paranoid now and those lies were bound to be believed. Winston has had a go at him as well. Danielle and Matthew had no right to do that.
I like him because he is intelligent and reasonable but then he has only been in there a week and not suffered the same psychological effects of the experience the others have. People mention playing cards because its a game and everyone has a game plan, - yes they do , even the nicey ones-they are just wondering what his is. Hope fully it will blow over now and things will settle for him.
edit perhaps Ashleigh's problem is that Danielle lied and said Pav had a creepy obsession with her, that would turn anyone off. That was a disgraceful thing to say.

No he's not. He wants to join in, he's asked what he can do to integrate more and Steve just have him a patronising answer. Mark refused to tell him what he'd told everyone else about what was revealed by the ex HMs which denies him the chance to explain himself fully. At least before he had Zoe to talk to but now she's been cheered she'll be welcomed back into the main group, Mark even said if Zoe was cheered he would apologise to her. He's isolated and he doesn't need to play any card unfortunately

I agree.He is accused of game-playing on scant evidence, therefore not trusted or allowed to integrate, then accused of game playing for his lack of integration! He is in an awful situation.

I didn't interpret what Ashleigh said as malicious, she is just saying if he attempted that isolation 'card' she would be angry as they have been going out of their way to include him in the group.

I would say that the fact that this conversation even happened must indicate that they have isolated him, or feel they have isolated him, or else they wouldn't feel the need to make an effort to include him, much as they deny that they have isolated him.

He is trying to work out why he got the get Mark out chants last night, covering all the bases in case its because he wasn`t being supernice to one of the HMs. I expect he will be suddenly loving Zoe again too now after she got cheered.

Really, this is the Ashleigh who agreed with Helen that they should not let Pav know what was said by ex-housemates. We know and they probably know that the nonsense said relates only to Pav's CV but they want to make him paranoid that there was more said or that they believe he is a devious game-player and not to be trusted.

Im not joining in anything but if you see my posts in this thread i've gave varying opinions on the whole thing. I actually feel sorry for Pav the combination of bb's medaling and the crowd seeming to back up what the ex housemates said about him. It is unfortunate and as another poster just mentioned Daneille told Ashleigh Pav is creeping on her. Obviously thats not going to go down well is it. But I mainly blame those ex housemates for spinning things and bb.

One thing I didn't like about Pav and Zoe was that they chose to evict Danielle. They were not brave enough to evict Steven because theywere so desperate to keep Helen happy and get the mean gang on side. I would have more respect if they evicted Steven

ashleigh never complained that she was isolated , she stopped mixing with Helen 'cos she didn't like her and preferred the company of danielle , chris etc.

so your point just doesn't make sense , she isn't being hypocritical .

That's playing the game, I won't deny that Ashleigh has played it.

She chose to isolate herself. She is criticizing Pav for doing this , when he is anything but choosing to segregate himself. Also, Pav is not complaining, rather he is almost having to beg to be in their group again. It's sad to see. No offense but as she is your fave, I believe you only will see things that show her in a good-light, unfortunately.

What I don't get is the fact that they are all playing a game but seem to get really upset that others are doing exactly what they are guilty of themselves.

lol you can't stop can you if you actually read many Ashleigh fans posts properly. You're actually see some balance unlike in yours. Many are saying they feel sorry for Pav an bb shoudn't of interfered , letting the ex housemates say what they did. But the fact is with the ex housemates spinning things and the crowd seeming to back them up , what do you expect the housemates to think. On top of that Danellie told Ashleigh Pav is creeping on her watcihng her , that's obviously not going to go down well is it. Basically BB interferring again has fuc*** up Pav's time more than anything else. It's unfortunate too there i agree.

So how does this fit in to your saying she and the others have went out of their way to include him?

They have included him, but have kept that info they had got told in their minds.

LOL it's hard to be one of a few naysayers in a land of Ashleigh worshippers.. ..who will only see Ashleigh in a certain light, so I don't recognize any balance there. But it is Ashleigh I have been critical of here -if you read my posts clearly and Ashleigh is not saying she feels sorry for Pav or that BB shouldn't have interfered; rather she is implying the opposite.