...and sending the over-riding message to his mates that they should still all nominate Pav for eviction with is 'I.m keeping it at the back of me mind.'

I hope vicious Mark is evicted next.

I understand that but IMO they were far too ready to believe everything despite the masses of evidence of their own eyes and so keen in fact that they've relished and embellished the information and now are even victimising the victim.

They don't seem to be trying to elicit Pav's game plan at all as that would involve talking to him. The fact he has been labelled having one is enough to dismiss and alienate him. They just need a victim sadly. I understand that's how it works because you have to nominate and evict but Pav's victimisation is just another example of picking on a nice guy and this is getting very tiresome in this series.


Someone pointed out that Ashleigh said 'Pav better not play the isolation card' meaning she thinks he might try to make it look like everyone has isolated him and you replied 'Actually thinking about it he's already played it to a degree.'

What ? You don't directly counter any of my reasoning though , in my last post. Why's that ? All you're doing is making it up as you go along. Why is Ashleigh or any housemate going to say they feel sorry for Pav and BB shouldn't of interfered ? I never said that. Of course they aren't already said why in detail in my previous post.

Yeah i did to a degree yes. It could be argued he has , going on about it to often about intergrating. I also said i feel sorry for him too giving the reasons why loads of times now.

What reasoning? I have sufficiently answered your post which had little to do with the content of the discussion anyway.

The post you are replying to with this post of yours was perfectly reasonable. But you're making out that they are making it hard for you to be a 'naysayer'.

All the housemates don't trust Pav. Ashleigh especially so due to the crap dressed up as advice which Danielle came out with. That isn't seeing Ashleigh in a certain light, as you say, or being unbalanced. It is a fairly objective and reasonable way of looking at it.

The housemates in general don't trust Pav. They aren't watching the show like us. They have been fed faulty information about Pav. We know that he isn't that bad, they don't because they are going to trust the word of ex-housemates they knew more than somebody who has just walked in. Plus they are going to take into account the crowd reaction.

They're wrong to. Yes, of course they are. But they don't know that.

Yeah it did lol Plenty to do with it. You countered none of the details i mentioned. But nevermind it's only a game haha

I was the one judged 'unbalanced' so I will defend myself as I see fit. That post you want to defend for it's 'reason' seemed to misconstrue a discussion on HMs point of view for a difference in FMs point of view, from what I can see and I wished to discuss Ashleigh's comments in the vid. With this in mind I feel I have sufficiently addressed the poster with regard to it. If they can't see that or you can't, I can't help you any further.

she isn't saying that .
where does she criticise him for isolating himself ?

There you go spinning again lol I said you don't seem to do balance an I gave reasons why. You don't directly counter any perfectly decent reasoning anyone gives.

Are you surprised that you end up in arguments when you are so hostile to people?

The fact that they don't know that doesn't excuse them from being a***holes though, and if Mark is one for what he said, then so is Ashleigh. The only reason they don't want Christopher to know what was said about Pav and Zoe is that they know that he will directly approach them and ask if it's true or not, you know, give them a chance, not one of the others have, they're just leaving him to stew and wonder what he's done to deserve it.

It's history repeating itself just like Jale, Christopher and Chris being ostracised on the say so of Helen and Pauline.

Excuses weren't made for the HMs behaviour then and they shouldn't be now.

Yes lol Funny the poster seems to talk to themselves quite a lot in there posts , spinning stuff. Rather than just dicusssing what people actually have said in there posts. And then trying to counter that. Strangely enough i thought that's suppose to be the deal on here , discussions and debate.

She said, "If he plays THAT card I'm going to go nuts" !! while they were talking about him "maybe feeling isolated".

Getting personal doesn't contribute much, don't you think? Stick to commenting on the clips, as I have done. If my comments on Ashleigh's actions have effected you so much, perhaps you need to take a breather.

I'm not making excuses. I happen to agree that it's not good for any of them to be so distrustful. I'm just offering reasoning to why they probably think like they do.
I also happen to believe with whoever said that it's convenient for them to not make the effort too.
Maybe we'd be like that at this stage of the game if we were in there.
If Christopher is the only one who gives the newbies a chance then it's much to his credit.

Don't hate the player hate the game .....

I was uncomfortable watching how Pav was treated last night,he sat all on his own,I would have thought Zoe would have sat with him ,the crowd were just as bad,yes he is quiet but do they have to behave so badly to him???

Ok perhaps you need to read that I and others have contributed plenty on the clip and things linked to it. You've missed the detail people are saying , plenty of times to only talk about your own agenda. But that's fair enough if that's what you wan't to do.

Well I'm making comment about your personal approach. You go on about fans, talk about how you're not allowed to post your opinion, and I even replied to a post of yours about actual events in the house.
Your last sentence demonstrates the style you tend to post with.
I'm quite happy to post about things going on in the house and be friendly about it with fans of whichever housemate it involves.

she says :

"if he ever tried to pull that card about feeling left out I'd actually go nuts "

ashleigh never 'pulled that card ' she never complained about being 'left out ' , so how is she being a hypocrite ?

I don't understand why she'd go nuts. If Pav feels he's being left out he has every reason to raise the issue with the other HMs. Christopher did the same with Pauline when he was being treated like a second class citizen.

Who does Ashleigh think she is?

Daneille.. i'll go through her like a ton of bricks. Stephen i'll tear the house apart. Helen claiming she'll do various things to people through out this series. You always take every thing so literal or maybe only when Ashleigh says it ? There obviously all guilty of this from time to time.

She is coming across more badly nowadays than she did when she was holed up with her succession of bitch sisters

She is now arrogant and a hypocrite to boot. When Mark said he was keeping in the back of his mind what Danielle and the rest said about Pav she agreed to do so quite strollgy but then said that Pav is not being left out So are Danielle and the others right about Pav then Ashleigh and do you agree Ashleigh, clearly she does but but he isn't being negatively treated because of that perception Of course he is. We know it and she knows it.

Pav apprently isn't even allowed to feel rough about his position either because that would be playing a card meaning it could make the HMs look bad and both Asheigh and Mark now sensing a win in sight really do not want their game plan knocked off track at this late stage.

How full of spite and nastiness is this supposed nice girl.