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Steven Moffat has aged the Doctor too much
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Robert_Whippy
27-07-2014
When Steven Moffat became the boss the doctor was about 906 years old. Now we are four years into Moffats reign and the doctor is at least 2000 years old. So in 4 years the doctor has been aged 1094 years.

To me this is too much. Now I'm not against increasing the doctors age by a few decades or a couple of centuries but he's done it to a ridiculous extent. I don't know why he felt the need to do it but he did.

Let's just hope he doesn't do the same with Capaldis doctor
fastest finger
27-07-2014
Originally Posted by Robert_Whippy:
“When Steven Moffat became the boss the doctor was about 906 years old. Now we are four years into Moffats reign and the doctor is at least 2000 years old. So in 4 years the doctor has been aged 1094 years.

To me this is too much. Now I'm not against increasing the doctors age by a few decades or a couple of centuries but he's done it to a ridiculous extent. I don't know why he felt the need to do it but he did.

Let's just hope he doesn't do the same with Capaldis doctor”

Why is it a problem? What difference does it make?
CoalHillJanitor
27-07-2014
He's also made it possible for Matt Smith to show up in multi-Doctor specials for the rest of his life without needing to explain why he looks older.
Firegazer
27-07-2014
It's mainly down to the huge gaps and plot holes between each episode.

I like William Hartnell's era because all of the stories lead into each other and there wasn't (if that) a big gap between each story which I liked, because it seemed to flow more. I don't like how Series 7 was with companions joining every few months. It was very inconsistent and in my words, a mess.

I think him ageing a thousand years in Time of the Doctor was just Steven Moffat's way of rushing the episode because he had ran out of ideas (which proves why the Daleks shown up again).
Mrfipp
27-07-2014
To an extent, I can agree with this. The Doctor having a few decades going unseen to the audience? Sure, that's good, since it leaves so much room for the expanded universe to play with. Eleven had a few hundred years without Amy and Rory, so there's creative space Big Finish could use if they ever get a New Who license.

However, aging the Doctor so much that he goes from a young man to someone barely able to walk on his own? I think that's a bit too much given what we had there. I feel this could have worked out a lot better if "The Time of the Doctor" was a two-part story, and allowed to move at a pace that wasn't neck-breaking. If it had moved much slower than it did, and his time on Trenzalore had dragged on instead of skimmed over, the fact that he's spending over a thousand years on this one planet would have felt more solid.
donovan5
27-07-2014
Who cares,what possible difference does it make to the episodes.
Of all the Moffat criticisms this is surely the most feeble
Talma
27-07-2014
It was interesting that he was the first Doctor we saw actually ageing naturally (well except he was also fighting a war at the same time) since THE first. At least 1 knew he could regenerate, 11 knew he couldn't. Just bringing it all full circle
Satmanager
27-07-2014
If you wish to look at it another way, the 11th Doctor lived longer than all of his other lives did all together (1-10 lived 906 years, 11 lived 1094 years). While we are not experts in Time Lord physiology, it would seem that 11 lived a bit longer than the average even when you account that the others died due to accidents with the exception of the 1st Doctor and War Doctor. So why did 11 live so long? Was it due to his being at the of a regeneration cycle? Or was it due to a Moffat oversight?
adams66
27-07-2014
Originally Posted by donovan5:
“Who cares,what possible difference does it make to the episodes.
Of all the Moffat criticisms this is surely the most feeble”

I quite agree Donovan.
Why on earth does this matter?
Have people run out of sensible ways to bash Moffat?
DiscoP
27-07-2014
I'd be interested to know how the Doctor keeps a track of how old he is anyway. I assume a year on Trenzalore, or Earth etc the same length of time as a year on Gallifrey.
Hypnosss
27-07-2014
Yes, he has, I hate it!
Tony Tiger
27-07-2014
Too much for what? If there was some huge drawback or limitation now, I might be persuaded it's such a terrible thing. But it doesn't really affect much of anything except an arbitrary number that is uttered once in a while.
Sara_Peplow
27-07-2014
Funny how in TOTD we did see him age over the 300 years.However there is a point to it. Dr ages but instead of dying he regenerates. Imagine how painfull that is. Know every freind you make will allways age and die before you. Maybe the Angels were mercifull in taking Amy and Rory. Would 11 have really wanted to watch them slowly age?. He got to remember them as they were .Young,healthy in their prime.
HappyTrucker
27-07-2014
Thing is, HAS he aged the Doctor as much as we think? OK, in the teaser he says he's "...over 2000 years old" but doesn't say how much older. The Doctor has been hovering around the 900 mark for years - there were loads of threads on here about it soon after the return. Things like "How can he still be 900?" and so on. He said he was around 900 in the Classic Series days, and if we look at how the War Doctor aged from regeneration to regeneration, then that must have been a few hundred years at least.

I wouldn't be surprised if he was really closer to 3000 than 2000. I'd say Moffat has finally made his age more believable.

But again, it doesn't really matter. And anyway, his age is impossible to tie down with the inconsistencies over the years.
BlocFFC
27-07-2014
Originally Posted by Firegazer:
“It's mainly down to the huge gaps and plot holes between each episode.

I like William Hartnell's era because all of the stories lead into each other and there wasn't (if that) a big gap between each story which I liked, because it seemed to flow more. I don't like how Series 7 was with companions joining every few months. It was very inconsistent and in my words, a mess.

I think him ageing a thousand years in Time of the Doctor was just Steven Moffat's way of rushing the episode because he had ran out of ideas (which proves why the Daleks shown up again).”

They showed up because they were the Time Lords' enemy during the Time War and they were returning back through the crack in the universe.

The Doctor is always guessing his age, he can't possibly know how old he is. Seems like a weak criticism of Moffat.
bp2
27-07-2014
This is a silly complaint, because the doctor can regenerate his age is purely a number. Why are you complaining about a number? What difference does it make if it is a lower number?
TheSilentFez
27-07-2014
I'm not really concerned that he's aged the Doctor so much, but it really annoys me that the Doctor has almost doubled his age in the space of one episode meaning he has spent almost half of his life doing very little on Trenzalore.
It's not the ageing which annoys me, it's that we are supposed to believe that the man who previously couldn't stay still for an hour without exploring the universe managed to stay on one planet for hundreds and hundreds of years.
I know he's supposed to be protecting the planet, but seriously? We're just supposed to accept that more time in the Doctor's life passed in 10 minutes of Time of the Doctor than did in the Doctor's life between An Unearthly Child and The God Complex?

It's a little bit irrational, but this bugs me.
Michael_Eve
27-07-2014
Originally Posted by TheSilentFez:
“I'm not really concerned that he's aged the Doctor so much, but it really annoys me that the Doctor has almost doubled his age in the space of one episode meaning he has spent almost half of his life doing very little on Trenzalore.
It's not the ageing which annoys me, it's that we are supposed to believe that the man who previously couldn't stay still for an hour without exploring the universe managed to stay on one planet for hundreds of hundreds of years.

It's a little bit irrational, but this bugs me.”

His age doesn't bother me and I can see where you are coming from as regards the Trenzalore storyline, but I had always liked the concept of the Doctor having to settle somewhere. Even started a bit of fanfic (though it wasn't called that back then!) in this area as a youngster involving the Fifth Doctor and a village on Earth which was no doubt a rip off of Stockbridge from Doctor Who Monthly. Seemed to divide opinion, but TOTD had a suitably fairy tale feel and was a rather beautiful send off for Eleven....growing old defending Christmas!

I can understand if others found that a bit twee...but I can be a right old softie when it comes to Doctor Who.
Hypnosss
27-07-2014
Originally Posted by TheSilentFez:
“I'm not really concerned that he's aged the Doctor so much, but it really annoys me that the Doctor has almost doubled his age in the space of one episode meaning he has spent almost half of his life doing very little on Trenzalore.
It's not the ageing which annoys me, it's that we are supposed to believe that the man who previously couldn't stay still for an hour without exploring the universe managed to stay on one planet for hundreds and hundreds of years.
I know he's supposed to be protecting the planet, but seriously? We're just supposed to accept that more time in the Doctor's life passed in 10 minutes of Time of the Doctor than did in the Doctor's life between An Unearthly Child and The God Complex?

It's a little bit irrational, but this bugs me.”

This Is exactly how I feel.
Lady of Traken
27-07-2014
Originally Posted by TheSilentFez:
“I'm not really concerned that he's aged the Doctor so much, but it really annoys me that the Doctor has almost doubled his age in the space of one episode meaning he has spent almost half of his life doing very little on Trenzalore.
It's not the ageing which annoys me, it's that we are supposed to believe that the man who previously couldn't stay still for an hour without exploring the universe managed to stay on one planet for hundreds and hundreds of years.
I know he's supposed to be protecting the planet, but seriously? We're just supposed to accept that more time in the Doctor's life passed in 10 minutes of Time of the Doctor than did in the Doctor's life between An Unearthly Child and The God Complex?

It's a little bit irrational, but this bugs me.”

Yep you have summed up exactly how I feel too about this.
Mulett
27-07-2014
For me, the aging issue reflects the lack of a continuous narrative for the 11th Doctor.

The idea that he kept nipping off for years/decades/centuries between stories - leaving his companions at home - made it very difficult for me to invest in him as a character or in his relationship with the likes of Amy or Clara. How could he really claim to be best mates with Amy when he chose not to see her for (say) 200 years?

When the 10th Doctor saw Sarah Jane again after what was for the Doctor (I am assuming) a good few hundred years, it was a really emotional and meaningful reunion for the Doctor as much as it was for Sarah Jane.

But whenever the Doctor popped back into Amy or Clara's life after what (for the Doctor) was years if not decades (or centuries) there was just a light, flippant 'Oh, lets pop off and have another jolly adventure' tone to the reunion that made me feel he wasn't really that invested.

I'm not sure the Doctor's age has ever been really clearly or honestly explained but, personally, I'm not keen with the suggestion that this one incarnation lasted longer than all the other ten (or eleven) put together. LIke TheSilentFez, I just can't believe in the Doctor giving up so much of his life in just ten minutes of one episode.
The100thDoctor
27-07-2014
Originally Posted by CoalHillJanitor:
“He's also made it possible for Matt Smith to show up in multi-Doctor specials for the rest of his life without needing to explain why he looks older. ”

How?
CD93
27-07-2014
Originally Posted by The100thDoctor:
“How? ”

Well
grizzlyvamp
27-07-2014
Originally Posted by The100thDoctor:
“How? ”

Quite simple - there are about 1000 years of Trenzalor in his time stream which you could quite easily take him out of and would be perfectly plausible.
The100thDoctor
27-07-2014
Originally Posted by grizzlyvamp:
“Quite simple - there are about 1000 years of Trenzalor in his time stream which you could quite easily take him out of and would be perfectly plausible.”

Oh Yea, I Was Thinking "He Sent The TARDIS To Earth With Clara" But I Forgot He Brought It Back The Second Time. But That Also Means If He Did Appear In A Multi-Doctor Story Years An Years Down The Line, He's Gotta Have That Creepy Hair lol xD
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