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Chris is doing exactly what everyone says they do, but they don't
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Aimee
29-07-2014
Chris is doing exactly what everyone says they would do, but they don't..

Just because it hasn't been on the highlights doesn't mean that Pav hasn't been 'looking at' Ashleigh in a way that makes her feel awkward.

Chris didn't speak to Pav without sounding her out first and Ashleigh herself confirmed his thoughts, saying it was happening, and that she didn't think other people had noticed.

So it IS happening.

IMO Chris was very brave to stick his neck out, to risk criticism [of the kind he is getting here] to say something, politely and privately to Pav, when he felt something was not quite right.

Isn't this exactly what people expect and want from an adult?

Isn't this exactly what people mean when they say 'If I have a problem with you I'll tell you to your face' It's quoted again and again and again but so rarely done.

Chris actually has the balls to do it, say it and be nice, constructive and supportive to both Ashleigh and Pav while doing it. He didn't make it personal... he did good!
SG-1
29-07-2014
Originally Posted by Aimee:
“Just because it hasn't been on the edit doesn't mean that it hasn't happened. Ashliegh herself said it was happening and that she didn't think people had noticed.

So it IS happening.

IMO Chris was very brave to stick his head out, risk criticism [of the kind he is getting] to say something, politely and privately, when he felt something was out of order.

Isn't this exactly what people expect?”

I have no doubt its happening,theres reasons every housemate cant bond with Pav..I do think Chris was wrong to say anything though..that should have been down to Ashleigh if it bothered her.
Chris is doing what he does best,attacks the hms that get the boos.
Jilly54
29-07-2014
first post and have to agree with you Aimee, Chris looking out for his friend in the house. he didnt make a big deal about it, it was just advice for pav, brave of Chris to say to his face what the others have all been saying behind Pavs back
yhtrownu
29-07-2014
I understand Chris wants to be Ashleigh's hero, but Chris should have waited for Ashleigh to complain. He should have asked her if SHE wanted him to have a word, rather than making himself the arbiter of other people's business. It's harsh for Pav to be made to feel a perve.
diesels hummin
29-07-2014
The worst Chris is guilty of is an error of judgement. All this stuff about him bullying and seeking to isolate Pav is way of the mark as far as i am concerned.
Aimee
29-07-2014
Originally Posted by yhtrownu:
“I understand Chris wants to be Ashleigh's hero, but Chris should have waited for Ashleigh to complain. He should have asked her if SHE wanted him to have a word, rather than making himself the arbiter of other people's business. It's harsh for Pav to be made to feel a perve.”

Why should he? HE had a problem with it too, he spoke to Pav, that was it. It wasn't done in a nasty way; he had a problem, he dealt with it as pleasantly as possible.
Moo_Chops
29-07-2014
Originally Posted by diesels hummin:
“The worst Chris is guilty of is an error of judgement. All this stuff about him bullying and seeking to isolate Pav is way of the mark as far as i am concerned.”

I so hope you are right, but I am struggling to believe the best, I want to....
Sasparella
29-07-2014
Originally Posted by diesels hummin:
“The worst Chris is guilty of is an error of judgement. All this stuff about him bullying and seeking to isolate Pav is way of the mark as far as i am concerned.”

No the worst Chris is guilty of is starting all this in the first place, he'd been saying it TO Ashleigh before the ex HM's told them anything, check out what he says in this video, just after Danielle has gone.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTuXqH18e3U
yhtrownu
29-07-2014
Originally Posted by Aimee:
“Why should he? HE had a problem with it too, he spoke to Pav, that was it. It wasn't done in a nasty way; he had a problem, he dealt with it as pleasantly as possible.”

The reason he should have asked Ashleigh's permission to approach Pav about it is that Ashleigh might consider Chris approaching Pav to be an overreaction that might make her feel even more uncomfortable.

My point is that it is for Ashleigh, the person who is stared at, to have the choice what is done about it.
elleellie
29-07-2014
Originally Posted by Aimee:
“Why should he? HE had a problem with it too, he spoke to Pav, that was it. It wasn't done in a nasty way; he had a problem, he dealt with it as pleasantly as possible.”

He also did in a way that everyone always says it should be done. It was done quietly and alone, not in a group of people to make Pav look bad, or by speaking about in the diary room and not saying anything to Pav directly.
Sasparella
29-07-2014
Originally Posted by elleellie:
“He also did in a way that everyone always says it should be done. It was done quietly and alone, not in a group of people to make Pav look bad, or by speaking about in the diary room and not saying anything to Pav directly.”

Shame he didn't tell Pav that HE'D started the rumour in the first place then wasn't it ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTuXqH18e3U
xNATILLYx
29-07-2014
he still wont be able to win some people over.

He is boring , two faced , doesn't confront people.
Since Armageddon week he gets lots of air time so not boring , confronts someone & to their face. Finally should please some people but for some reason it doesn't.
For some they can do no wrong , others they could do everything some people want & they still aren't happy.

Shame Chris can't find out that him befriending Ashleigh has cost him a shot at the win.
Henrik
29-07-2014
Uh Pav admitted he was, why are people upset like he wasnt?
Angie_Plasty
29-07-2014
Is there even an issue to be addressed, let alone by Chris? Ashli's obviously not bothered. If she felt in any way uncomfortable or offended by Pav she'd have used it as her reason for nomming him. She didn't. Or she'd be talking about it all the time. She's not. Or she'd have challenged Pav herself. She hasn't.

Chris is the one going around spreading it to other people (who aren't interested because it's a non-issue to them) and raising it to Ashli. He had no business or grounds for telling Pav to back off Ashli except his own fevered ones as far as I can tell.
Scout66
29-07-2014
Chris himself said it was an inappropriate conversation. He said himself he shouldn't be talking about this. He was the one that said to Ashleigh even though he told the other HM's Pav was allegedly leering (my word) at her he said none of the others noticed it. Then to make the hypocrisy even more blatant in another conversation he told Pav he liked and wanted to have a drink with him after the show ending the convo with a hug.
I was a Chris supporter until this incident but it's made me go off him as it just seems nasty.
KatrinaK
29-07-2014
I don't agree with people saying that Chris has been bullying Pav but I still don't think it was Chris's place to raise it AT ALL.

Regardless of his intentions, I still think it was a highly offensive to imply that Pav was a perv and it was uncomfortable to watch.

Chris has clearly had a problem with Pav since he entered, as we've seen him bad mouthing him ever since. Therefore it goes way beyond his concern for Ashleigh. He does actually have a problem with Pav.

I've always considered Chris as one of my favourites. He was in my top3 along with Ashleigh and Christopher but I have to be honest, I've gone way off him and tonight he went from hero to zero.
detroit city
29-07-2014
Originally Posted by Scout66:
“Chris himself said it was an inappropriate conversation. He said himself he shouldn't be talking about this. He was the one that said to Ashleigh even though he told the other HM's Pav was allegedly leering (my word) at her he said none of the others noticed it. Then to make the hypocrisy even more blatant in another conversation he told Pav he liked and wanted to have a drink with him after the show ending the convo with a hug.
I was a Chris supporter until this incident but it's made me go off him as it just seems nasty.”

good post, i don't know how other people don't see it that way
Ænima
29-07-2014
Originally Posted by Aimee:
“Chris is doing exactly what everyone says they would do, but they don't..

Just because it hasn't been on the highlights doesn't mean that Pav hasn't been 'looking at' Ashleigh in a way that makes her feel awkward.

Chris didn't speak to Pav without sounding her out first and Ashleigh herself confirmed his thoughts, saying it was happening, and that she didn't think other people had noticed.

So it IS happening.

IMO Chris was very brave to stick his neck out, to risk criticism [of the kind he is getting here] to say something, politely and privately to Pav, when he felt something was not quite right.

Isn't this exactly what people expect and want from an adult?

Isn't this exactly what people mean when they say 'If I have a problem with you I'll tell you to your face' It's quoted again and again and again but so rarely done.

Chris actually has the balls to do it, say it and be nice, constructive and supportive to both Ashleigh and Pav while doing it. He didn't make it personal... he did good!”

If it was bothering Ashleigh, why did she say she didn't notice it to Chris? Why did Chris bring it up to Pav? Sorry, but this just screams of jealousy. It's also some basic territorial behaviour from Chris. We already know he has a problem with talking to the newbies- he feels he is somehow superior because he has been in the house longer- he can't even be bothered trying to be friends with them and has said as much. And at the end of the day, people can look at who they want, Chris has no right to say otherwise.
JohnShaft
29-07-2014
Originally Posted by yhtrownu:
“I understand Chris wants to be Ashleigh's hero, but Chris should have waited for Ashleigh to complain. He should have asked her if SHE wanted him to have a word, rather than making himself the arbiter of other people's business. It's harsh for Pav to be made to feel a perve.”

I am sure Ashliegh is used to desperate guys trying to be her saviour, when she doesn't need saving.

I would be surprised if she isn't aware of the sad game Chris is trying to play.

It will be interesting to see how this plays out.
Rikki65
29-07-2014
Originally Posted by SG-1:
“I have no doubt its happening,theres reasons every housemate cant bond with Pav..I do think Chris was wrong to say anything though..that should have been down to Ashleigh if it bothered her.
Chris is doing what he does best,attacks the hms that get the boos.”

Chris was doing what he thought was best, his intention was to be gallant.
Thad
29-07-2014
Pav can look at whomever he pleases. It is no one else's business.

Chris is ascribing intent in those looks. This is Chris's issue and possibly a bit of projection.
diesels hummin
29-07-2014
Originally Posted by Henrik:
“Uh Pav admitted he was, why are people upset like he wasnt?”

He did , and said it was because he found her interesting.
ultros
29-07-2014
Chris's excuse for not liking Pav yesterday was that 'Pav is a thorn in his side & trying to push his buttons' (though when asked by BB to give examples he had none) and now on today's show he's trying to say Pav is a perv...
Yer right !!

Chris is a bully who's looking for nonexistent reasons to justify his hatred towards Pav.
geppsdood
29-07-2014
OP - Excellent post. In full agreement.
celtic star
29-07-2014
Originally Posted by ultros:
“Chris's excuse for not liking Pav yesterday was that 'Pav is a thorn in his side & trying to push his buttons' (though when asked by BB to give examples he had none) and now on today's show he's trying to say Pav is a perv...
Yer right !!

Chris is a bully who's looking for nonexistent reasons to justify his hatred towards Pav.”

He's hardly a bully , he took him aside and had a quiet word that ended with a hug .

Whilst its true Chris does seem to have a bee in his bonnet about him, and needs to rein it in ,
its so far from bullying its laughable .
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