Do you think Pav is playing the victim or the sympathy card ? poll up soon
Results:Is Pav playing the victim/ sympathy card ?
Yes he is
70 (27.89%)
No he isn't
141 (56.18%)
Maybe a little bit
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Is Pav playing the victim ?
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I don't see how he is 
From my POV he went in there all excited and enthusiastic a la housemate of yore only to be kicked down by the negativity of his fellow HM's.
He seems to be quite deflated ..... understandably
From my POV he went in there all excited and enthusiastic a la housemate of yore only to be kicked down by the negativity of his fellow HM's.
He seems to be quite deflated ..... understandably
If he is playing the victim card, I think it's because some of the other HMs (Chris and Mark for example) being tools towards him has made playing that card a whole lot easier, by virtue of him actually being a victim of said.....toolery?
*Grabs dictionary*
*Grabs dictionary*
If a group of porcupines run at you and pierce you with a thousand needles, are you playing the victim, or are you actually the victim. Pav ain't playing and if he wanted to he would react more when people are horrible to/about him. Instead he just takes/accepts it.
I think he could be playing it up a bit. But only because the other housemates are acting like idiots.
I don't blame him though as I would too. I'd be straight in that diary room telling the audience that I don't know what I've done wrong but I'll try to get on with them better while still being myself.
Pav can't cause the other housemates to do anything though, everyone is responsible for themselves.
I don't blame him though as I would too. I'd be straight in that diary room telling the audience that I don't know what I've done wrong but I'll try to get on with them better while still being myself.
Pav can't cause the other housemates to do anything though, everyone is responsible for themselves.
Originally Posted by spiralstatic:
“If a group of porcupines run at you and pierce you with a thousand needles, are you playing the victim, or are you actually the victim. Pav ain't playing and if he wanted to he would react more when people are horrible to/about him. Instead he just takes/accepts it.”
“If a group of porcupines run at you and pierce you with a thousand needles, are you playing the victim, or are you actually the victim. Pav ain't playing and if he wanted to he would react more when people are horrible to/about him. Instead he just takes/accepts it.”
BIB. Yes, if anything he's being too passive in his response to absolutely slanderous nonsense from Chris and the gang.
I think he is being victimised, but very slightly playing it up, but only a little. And even if playing up the victim, he still is the victim....
Pav is not well liked by his fellow HMs & he gets booed mercilessly, despite not doing anything to warrant such a hostile reaction, so how else is he supposed to act?
In relation to Chris & his hostility towards Pav, it's quite ironic from him, especially when I remember him vividly shedding a perfectly timed tear that was shown at the very end of one of the early HLs shows, because the other HMs wouldn't talk to him.
Either he has the memory of a sieve, or he really is the actor I believe him to be.
In relation to Chris & his hostility towards Pav, it's quite ironic from him, especially when I remember him vividly shedding a perfectly timed tear that was shown at the very end of one of the early HLs shows, because the other HMs wouldn't talk to him.
Either he has the memory of a sieve, or he really is the actor I believe him to be.
Originally Posted by spiralstatic:
“If a group of porcupines run at you and pierce you with a thousand needles, are you playing the victim, or are you actually the victim. Pav ain't playing and if he wanted to he would react more when people are horrible to/about him. Instead he just takes/accepts it.”
“If a group of porcupines run at you and pierce you with a thousand needles, are you playing the victim, or are you actually the victim. Pav ain't playing and if he wanted to he would react more when people are horrible to/about him. Instead he just takes/accepts it.”
Exactly. Wonderful image, btw. He's not "playing" the victim. He doesn't have to! He IS the victim and there isn't the slightest piece of evidence to the contrary.
Of course he is,he cant go 5 mins without saying it in some way or another..Of course the HMs are making it a lot easier but yes he is milking it for all its worth,its his only chance to stay in.
I think the impression of Pav "playing the victim" has been massively exaggerated. And if ever does start to feel sorry for himself and mope, I can hardly blame him.
It seems that whenever a housemate feels isolated and actually acknowledges it, they're "playing the victim".
It seems that whenever a housemate feels isolated and actually acknowledges it, they're "playing the victim".
No he isn't.
He just wants to get along with the Hm's and have fun.
The former evicted HM's have put him in this position by poisoning the minds of the remaining Hm's against the newbies.
Very poor idea of BB's, it is hard enough for HM's to go in late anyway.
He just wants to get along with the Hm's and have fun.
The former evicted HM's have put him in this position by poisoning the minds of the remaining Hm's against the newbies.
Very poor idea of BB's, it is hard enough for HM's to go in late anyway.
No he isn't. He was dancing the other night and then all if a sudden Chris then goes and been a prick towards him.
That's the truth.
That's the truth.
I don't think he is. If he was, he wouldn't try to mingle at all and would try to isolate himself. He defended Christopher to Mark yesterday, before Mark called him a stirrer in front of everybody, and Pav still went over to join the group. He's genuinely trying to make friends I feel
When you compare it to how those who have been seriously alienated in earlier parts of the series have reacted, then yes, he does seem to be referencing his 'inability to integrate with the group' a great deal.
It's pretty much all we've ever seen him talk about, both in the diary room and with a variety of other housemates. He appears to talk about it every day and to anyone who will hear. Is he distrusted, yes. Is it unfair, almost certainly. But I also feel he's embraced it as his story and he is using it consciously. Or at least he's certainly feeding and nourishing his 'underdog' narrative. Not that I would criticise him for doing so. He's turning it to his advantage, which is what any smart player would do.
People accused Jale of playing the 'victim card' on here, because she sat in the garden once and talked to herself. But her experience of being ostracised was more considerable than Pav's; people were actively hostile to her, and she was being alienated to such a degree BB had to step in. And yet we heard very little about it by comparison.
It's pretty much all we've ever seen him talk about, both in the diary room and with a variety of other housemates. He appears to talk about it every day and to anyone who will hear. Is he distrusted, yes. Is it unfair, almost certainly. But I also feel he's embraced it as his story and he is using it consciously. Or at least he's certainly feeding and nourishing his 'underdog' narrative. Not that I would criticise him for doing so. He's turning it to his advantage, which is what any smart player would do.
People accused Jale of playing the 'victim card' on here, because she sat in the garden once and talked to herself. But her experience of being ostracised was more considerable than Pav's; people were actively hostile to her, and she was being alienated to such a degree BB had to step in. And yet we heard very little about it by comparison.
No I don't think he's playing the victim. I think he's doing his best to integrate in a very mature way. We've seen him join in and try to have a laugh in group sessions. It's the hms themselves that have chosen to have a problem with him as they feel they deserve to be there more than the newbies as their noms testified.
Originally Posted by BlackberryGirl:
“When you compare it to how those who have been seriously alienated in earlier parts of the series have reacted, then yes, he does seem to be referencing his 'inability to integrate with the group' a great deal.
It's pretty much all we've ever seen him talk about, both in the diary room and with a variety of other housemates. He appears to talk about it every day and to anyone who will hear. Is he distrusted, yes. but I feel he's embraced it as his story and he is using it consciously. Or at least he's certainly feeding it and nourishing it.
People accused Jale of playing the 'victim card' on here, because she sat in the garden once and talked to herself. But her experience of being ostracised was more considerable than Pav's, people were actively hostile to her, and she was being alienated to such a degree BB had to step in. And yet we heard very little about it by comparison.”
“When you compare it to how those who have been seriously alienated in earlier parts of the series have reacted, then yes, he does seem to be referencing his 'inability to integrate with the group' a great deal.
It's pretty much all we've ever seen him talk about, both in the diary room and with a variety of other housemates. He appears to talk about it every day and to anyone who will hear. Is he distrusted, yes. but I feel he's embraced it as his story and he is using it consciously. Or at least he's certainly feeding it and nourishing it.
People accused Jale of playing the 'victim card' on here, because she sat in the garden once and talked to herself. But her experience of being ostracised was more considerable than Pav's, people were actively hostile to her, and she was being alienated to such a degree BB had to step in. And yet we heard very little about it by comparison.”
There were a lot of storylines and more hms around that time. So we don't know if Jale talked about it more to BB but it never made the show. In any event, they are two entirely different people with different ways of coping. I think Pav is quite shy and quiet and nothing like what he says on his VT.
Originally Posted by spiralstatic:
“If a group of porcupines run at you and pierce you with a thousand needles, are you playing the victim, or are you actually the victim. Pav ain't playing and if he wanted to he would react more when people are horrible to/about him. Instead he just takes/accepts it.”
“If a group of porcupines run at you and pierce you with a thousand needles, are you playing the victim, or are you actually the victim. Pav ain't playing and if he wanted to he would react more when people are horrible to/about him. Instead he just takes/accepts it.”
It's possible to be a victim and play a greater victim.
For instance if you get some minor pricks from a few porcupine spines, while the porcupines try to include you in their activities, despite being a bit wary, but you act like a bunch of porcupines ran at you and pierced you with a thousand needles.
While he is a victim I would say Jale was ostracised to a far greater extent - it got to a point where only Winston would sit with her. Yet we saw much less of this. Pav the victim, for me, is a card being played more by the editors than Pav himself.
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