He isn't playing the victim/sympathy card with the housemates, but he's definitely doing it with the public via the diary room.
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Is Pav playing the victim ?
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If people can play the victim or playing up a victim status, isn't it fair to say that others can act up certain statuses in the house too to gain public support. Ashleigh and Helen are two examples.....both can be nice or have turned a corner. Has their behaviour changed that radically to all of a sudden appear as new people? And what about Mark and how he treats Christopher and shouts and wails at him one day and then bakes a cake for him the next full of apologies. Or voting Chris for noms and then turning round saying he's made a big big mistake? Is that real or is he playing to the gallery for our sakes as much as for the other hms benefit?
In otherwords, who are these people and what are their real characters? Is Pav a real victim? Was that his gameplan? I doubt it very much. I think people intrinsically want to be liked and that's what I've seen with Ashleigh integrating into the group as opposed to cutting herself off from it. I also think Mark may have a kind side to him, but it's mostly about getting as much airtime as possible. Etc etc.
In otherwords, who are these people and what are their real characters? Is Pav a real victim? Was that his gameplan? I doubt it very much. I think people intrinsically want to be liked and that's what I've seen with Ashleigh integrating into the group as opposed to cutting herself off from it. I also think Mark may have a kind side to him, but it's mostly about getting as much airtime as possible. Etc etc.
Originally Posted by BlackberryGirl:
“When you compare it to how those who have been seriously alienated in earlier parts of the series have reacted, then yes, he does seem to be referencing his 'inability to integrate with the group' a great deal.
It's pretty much all we've ever seen him talk about, both in the diary room and with a variety of other housemates. He appears to talk about it every day and to anyone who will hear. Is he distrusted, yes. Is it unfair, almost certainly. But I also feel he's embraced it as his story and he is using it consciously. Or at least he's certainly feeding and nourishing his 'underdog' narrative. Not that I would criticise him for doing so. He's turning it to his advantage, which is what any smart player would do.
People accused Jale of playing the 'victim card' on here, because she sat in the garden once and talked to herself. But her experience of being ostracised was more considerable than Pav's; people were actively hostile to her, and she was being alienated to such a degree BB had to step in. And yet we heard very little about it by comparison.”
“When you compare it to how those who have been seriously alienated in earlier parts of the series have reacted, then yes, he does seem to be referencing his 'inability to integrate with the group' a great deal.
It's pretty much all we've ever seen him talk about, both in the diary room and with a variety of other housemates. He appears to talk about it every day and to anyone who will hear. Is he distrusted, yes. Is it unfair, almost certainly. But I also feel he's embraced it as his story and he is using it consciously. Or at least he's certainly feeding and nourishing his 'underdog' narrative. Not that I would criticise him for doing so. He's turning it to his advantage, which is what any smart player would do.
People accused Jale of playing the 'victim card' on here, because she sat in the garden once and talked to herself. But her experience of being ostracised was more considerable than Pav's; people were actively hostile to her, and she was being alienated to such a degree BB had to step in. And yet we heard very little about it by comparison.”
Good post.
Pav has taken a situation - the reception he got last Friday. and is turning it slowly in his favour. As he said, before coming into the house " Will I win BB - I have already won it! " I may not have the exact words, but the meaning is the same.
I did feel for him on Friday, but his isolation in the house is now down to him. Every HM nominated him - why? I also cannot understand why Chris is being targeted as the one isolating him, as they all seem to be doing it, especially after hearing those words of advice form the three evicted HM's.
Originally Posted by sammyvan:
“Good post.
Pav has taken a situation - the reception he got last Friday. and is turning it slowly in his favour. As he said, before coming into the house " Will I win BB - I have already won it! " I may not have the exact words, but the meaning is the same.
I did feel for him on Friday, but his isolation in the house is now down to him. Every HM nominated him - why? I also cannot understand why Chris is being targeted as the one isolating him, as they all seem to be doing it, especially after hearing those words of advice form the three evicted HM's.”
“Good post.
Pav has taken a situation - the reception he got last Friday. and is turning it slowly in his favour. As he said, before coming into the house " Will I win BB - I have already won it! " I may not have the exact words, but the meaning is the same.
I did feel for him on Friday, but his isolation in the house is now down to him. Every HM nominated him - why? I also cannot understand why Chris is being targeted as the one isolating him, as they all seem to be doing it, especially after hearing those words of advice form the three evicted HM's.”
When has Pav actually said that Chris is isolating him|? He hasn't. All he's said in the DR is that he's finding it difficult to feel comfortable and integrate. However, he's also acknowledged that he's a newbie and that's probably why the hms don't trust him as much. And furthermore, he said he expects to leave on Friday but is just going to try and have fun for the rest of the week. However, that was all before Chris and Mark had a go at him with their own personal agendas. So if he's become a target or people see him as a victim of something that's underlying nasty or insidious going on towards him, it's because that's what we've noticed and not anything Pav himself has said.
Originally Posted by Veri:
“It's possible to be a victim and play a greater victim.
For instance if you get some minor pricks from a few porcupine spines, while the porcupines try to include you in their activities, despite being a bit wary, but you act like a bunch of porcupines ran at you and pierced you with a thousand needles.”
“It's possible to be a victim and play a greater victim.
For instance if you get some minor pricks from a few porcupine spines, while the porcupines try to include you in their activities, despite being a bit wary, but you act like a bunch of porcupines ran at you and pierced you with a thousand needles.”
True, but I don't think Pav has overreacted at all. He does still try to be and to have fun. When he's so aware everyone is suspicious of him it is hard to do, though and Pav has no hope of altering this.
Not in relation to your response but other people in the thread have compared Pav with Jale. Just because people aren't as nasty to Pav doesn't mean he is treated better. At least some people were not wary of Jale whereas every single person is wary of Pav. Obviously there are many other factors as well such as the fact that Jale from what she's said has experienced perhaps this kind of thing before. Pav is younger and maybe he hasn't and the only thing he has done has been to try to understand.
Pav only wants a way to connect with the other HMs which he won't get. With Jale certain housemates influenced by the controlling, judgemental irrational Pauline took her views as read without getting to know Jale at first. With Pav there have been the views of past HMs but it is the mere fact these are new HMs are there which is the problem. The house is universally suspicious of Pav. Ironically, more than the past HM's, perhaps Pav's VT is also a big problem for some of them (as Chris and Jale's VTs were a big problem for Pauline. But I wouldn't expect all of the house to behave remotely like Pauline.)
When people actually confront Pav with anything he is if anything more calm, accepting and passive than he needs to be. I find it hard to understand why anyone could feel Pav was 'playing the victim'.
Originally Posted by spiralstatic:
“True, but I don't think Pav has overreacted at all. He does still try to be and to have fun. When he's so aware everyone is suspicious of him it is hard to do, though and Pav has no hope of altering this.
Not in relation to your response but other people in the thread have compared Pav with Jale. Just because people aren't as nasty to Pav doesn't mean he is treated better. At least some people were not wary of Jale whereas every single person is wary of Pav. Obviously there are many other factors as well such as the fact that Jale from what she's said has experienced perhaps this kind of thing before. Pav is younger and maybe he hasn't and the only thing he has done has been to try to understand.
Pav only wants a way to connect with the other HMs which he won't get. With Jale certain housemates influenced by the controlling, judgemental irrational Pauline took her views as read without getting to know Jale at first. With Pav there have been the views of past HMs but it is the mere fact these are new HMs are there which is the problem. The house is universally suspicious of Pav. Ironically, more than the past HM's, perhaps Pav's VT is also a big problem for some of them (as Chris and Jale's VTs were a big problem for Pauline. But I wouldn't expect all of the house to behave remotely like Pauline.)
When people actually confront Pav with anything he is if anything more calm, accepting and passive than he needs to be. I find it hard to understand why anyone could feel Pav was 'playing the victim'.”
“True, but I don't think Pav has overreacted at all. He does still try to be and to have fun. When he's so aware everyone is suspicious of him it is hard to do, though and Pav has no hope of altering this.
Not in relation to your response but other people in the thread have compared Pav with Jale. Just because people aren't as nasty to Pav doesn't mean he is treated better. At least some people were not wary of Jale whereas every single person is wary of Pav. Obviously there are many other factors as well such as the fact that Jale from what she's said has experienced perhaps this kind of thing before. Pav is younger and maybe he hasn't and the only thing he has done has been to try to understand.
Pav only wants a way to connect with the other HMs which he won't get. With Jale certain housemates influenced by the controlling, judgemental irrational Pauline took her views as read without getting to know Jale at first. With Pav there have been the views of past HMs but it is the mere fact these are new HMs are there which is the problem. The house is universally suspicious of Pav. Ironically, more than the past HM's, perhaps Pav's VT is also a big problem for some of them (as Chris and Jale's VTs were a big problem for Pauline. But I wouldn't expect all of the house to behave remotely like Pauline.)
When people actually confront Pav with anything he is if anything more calm, accepting and passive than he needs to be. I find it hard to understand why anyone could feel Pav was 'playing the victim'.”
Well said.
Originally Posted by spiralstatic:
“True, but I don't think Pav has overreacted at all. He does still try to be and to have fun. When he's so aware everyone is suspicious of him it is hard to do, though and Pav has no hope of altering this.
Not in relation to your response but other people in the thread have compared Pav with Jale. Just because people aren't as nasty to Pav doesn't mean he is treated better. At least some people were not wary of Jale whereas every single person is wary of Pav. Obviously there are many other factors as well such as the fact that Jale from what she's said has experienced perhaps this kind of thing before. Pav is younger and maybe he hasn't and the only thing he has done has been to try to understand.
Pav only wants a way to connect with the other HMs which he won't get. With Jale certain housemates influenced by the controlling, judgemental irrational Pauline took her views as read without getting to know Jale at first. With Pav there have been the views of past HMs but it is the mere fact these are new HMs are there which is the problem. The house is universally suspicious of Pav. Ironically, more than the past HM's, perhaps Pav's VT is also a big problem for some of them (as Chris and Jale's VTs were a big problem for Pauline. But I wouldn't expect all of the house to behave remotely like Pauline.)
When people actually confront Pav with anything he is if anything more calm, accepting and passive than he needs to be. I find it hard to understand why anyone could feel Pav was 'playing the victim'.”
“True, but I don't think Pav has overreacted at all. He does still try to be and to have fun. When he's so aware everyone is suspicious of him it is hard to do, though and Pav has no hope of altering this.
Not in relation to your response but other people in the thread have compared Pav with Jale. Just because people aren't as nasty to Pav doesn't mean he is treated better. At least some people were not wary of Jale whereas every single person is wary of Pav. Obviously there are many other factors as well such as the fact that Jale from what she's said has experienced perhaps this kind of thing before. Pav is younger and maybe he hasn't and the only thing he has done has been to try to understand.
Pav only wants a way to connect with the other HMs which he won't get. With Jale certain housemates influenced by the controlling, judgemental irrational Pauline took her views as read without getting to know Jale at first. With Pav there have been the views of past HMs but it is the mere fact these are new HMs are there which is the problem. The house is universally suspicious of Pav. Ironically, more than the past HM's, perhaps Pav's VT is also a big problem for some of them (as Chris and Jale's VTs were a big problem for Pauline. But I wouldn't expect all of the house to behave remotely like Pauline.)
When people actually confront Pav with anything he is if anything more calm, accepting and passive than he needs to be. I find it hard to understand why anyone could feel Pav was 'playing the victim'.”
Agreed
Jale, Christopher, Ashleigh
he has seen them all get popularity by sympathy, of course he is playing the victim
he has seen them all get popularity by sympathy, of course he is playing the victim
Originally Posted by Cat-:
“When has Pav actually said that Chris is isolating him|? He hasn't. All he's said in the DR is that he's finding it difficult to feel comfortable and integrate. However, he's also acknowledged that he's a newbie and that's probably why the hms don't trust him as much. And furthermore, he said he expects to leave on Friday but is just going to try and have fun for the rest of the week. However, that was all before Chris and Mark had a go at him with their own personal agendas. So if he's become a target or people see him as a victim of something that's underlying nasty or insidious going on towards him, it's because that's what we've noticed and not anything Pav himself has said.”
“When has Pav actually said that Chris is isolating him|? He hasn't. All he's said in the DR is that he's finding it difficult to feel comfortable and integrate. However, he's also acknowledged that he's a newbie and that's probably why the hms don't trust him as much. And furthermore, he said he expects to leave on Friday but is just going to try and have fun for the rest of the week. However, that was all before Chris and Mark had a go at him with their own personal agendas. So if he's become a target or people see him as a victim of something that's underlying nasty or insidious going on towards him, it's because that's what we've noticed and not anything Pav himself has said.”
Never said Pav had come to this conclusion - I picked that up from the many threads on this board, so many folk thinking Chris was solely responsible for the way Pav was feeling.
I would prefer Pav and Chris to stay this week and maybe see if they can sort their differences. I am sure if there had been no outside interference, the 'advice' from three former evictees, Chris and Pav may have got on better. Wonder why Mathew says he was 'told' to pick Pav and Zoe? More interference from BB?
Unless there's blatant signs of bullying towards Pav, I think he's using his psychology degree to try and progress further on in the game. I think he's trying to come across as a weak personality so that the rest of them won't see him as a threat. I think he's trying to play them.
Originally Posted by zx50:
“Unless there's blatant signs of bullying towards Pav, I think he's using his psychology degree to try and progress further on in the game. I think he's trying to come across as a weak personality so that the rest of them won't see him as a threat. I think he's trying to play them.”
“Unless there's blatant signs of bullying towards Pav, I think he's using his psychology degree to try and progress further on in the game. I think he's trying to come across as a weak personality so that the rest of them won't see him as a threat. I think he's trying to play them.”
I think your spot on.
Originally Posted by zx50:
“Unless there's blatant signs of bullying towards Pav, I think he's using his psychology degree to try and progress further on in the game. I think he's trying to come across as a weak personality so that the rest of them won't see him as a threat. I think he's trying to play them.”
“Unless there's blatant signs of bullying towards Pav, I think he's using his psychology degree to try and progress further on in the game. I think he's trying to come across as a weak personality so that the rest of them won't see him as a threat. I think he's trying to play them.”
This makes no sense to me.
What advantage could coming across as a weak personality give Pav with the other housemates in this game he is trying to play with them?
Did Pav go in there wanting to come across as weak? Did his VT seem that way? Did Pav hold back on his opinions of the other HM's at the start of his time in there?
How exactly does Pav's game work? What does he hope to achieve from it? 'Cause so far every housemate in there is suspicious enough of him to nominate him and he hasn't heard a single cheer for himself yet from the public.
Originally Posted by zx50:
“Unless there's blatant signs of bullying towards Pav, I think he's using his psychology degree to try and progress further on in the game. I think he's trying to come across as a weak personality so that the rest of them won't see him as a threat. I think he's trying to play them.”
“Unless there's blatant signs of bullying towards Pav, I think he's using his psychology degree to try and progress further on in the game. I think he's trying to come across as a weak personality so that the rest of them won't see him as a threat. I think he's trying to play them.”
I suspect his Psychology degree is rather less important here than him having sat for weeks - just like the rest of us viewers - and watched popular HM's such as Jale, Chris and Christopher all get championed by the public as 'outsiders' to the main group.
Originally Posted by sammyvan:
“Never said Pav had come to this conclusion - I picked that up from the many threads on this board, so many folk thinking Chris was solely responsible for the way Pav was feeling.
I would prefer Pav and Chris to stay this week and maybe see if they can sort their differences. I am sure if there had been no outside interference, the 'advice' from three former evictees, Chris and Pav may have got on better. Wonder why Mathew says he was 'told' to pick Pav and Zoe? More interference from BB?”
“Never said Pav had come to this conclusion - I picked that up from the many threads on this board, so many folk thinking Chris was solely responsible for the way Pav was feeling.
I would prefer Pav and Chris to stay this week and maybe see if they can sort their differences. I am sure if there had been no outside interference, the 'advice' from three former evictees, Chris and Pav may have got on better. Wonder why Mathew says he was 'told' to pick Pav and Zoe? More interference from BB?”
I totally agree with you about the ex-hms information and allowing them to influence the others so much. I would have hoped the hms would take it with a pinch of salt and use their own judgment instead of as an easy target to get them out because they feel more deserved of being there. Whether they have a point about this or not and whether we support that idea, I can accept that, but not the way Mark and Chris have behaved towards him. I hope that makes sense.
Of course.
Big test is on Friday. If he is saved and gets huge cheers the others will be more open to him, and we know what happens then....see Jalle. He only has to keep it up for another couple of weeks.
Why did whats his name win last year? TOTAL SYMPATHY.
Keep your eye on the prize Pav
Big test is on Friday. If he is saved and gets huge cheers the others will be more open to him, and we know what happens then....see Jalle. He only has to keep it up for another couple of weeks.
Why did whats his name win last year? TOTAL SYMPATHY.
Keep your eye on the prize Pav
Yep, he's going for the pity vote, along the lines of what Deana, Lauren Harries and Jale all got in varying degrees. He knows BB viewers can easily be suckered into voting for him if it seems like he is some kind of 'victim', no matter how boring or lacking in personality he is
Originally Posted by Littlegreen42:
“You can't 'play' the victim if you are actually a victim.
He has been treated like shit in there!”
“You can't 'play' the victim if you are actually a victim.
He has been treated like shit in there!”
THIS.
He isnt playing the victim nor is he being victimised. People just loves to love a "victim" and to find the slightest pretext to execrate the "bully".
Originally Posted by AOTB:
“I have seen zero evidence to support him 'playing the victim' so it's a no from me.”
“I have seen zero evidence to support him 'playing the victim' so it's a no from me.”
Same here.
People are voting no, because they like him, and are too stubborn to believe he actually is playing a game.
Originally Posted by Littlegreen42:
“You can't 'play' the victim if you are actually a victim.
He has been treated like shit in there!”
“You can't 'play' the victim if you are actually a victim.
He has been treated like shit in there!”
That sums it up perfectly.
No one in their right mind "plays the victim " If you are a victim that's because the others have made you one.
Originally Posted by Cats_Eyes:
“That sums it up perfectly.
No one in their right mind "plays the victim " If you are a victim that's because the others have made you one.”
“That sums it up perfectly.
No one in their right mind "plays the victim " If you are a victim that's because the others have made you one.”
Very true. It's we the viewers that are not liking what's going on in there. Pav hasn't even complained about Mark or Chris.
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