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Ell_Ren
31-07-2014
Originally Posted by Filiman:
“How could it play out other than making her look a fool... Phil doesn't want Sharon to find out; clearly he still wants to marry Sharon. So effectively Shirley is happy to be Phil's bit on the side.

There's no fool like an old haggered fool.”

I still think he feels guilty over the attack. I'm waiting to see how it plays out, I like Phil/Shirley and DTC likes both Shirley and Sharon as characters, he is on his way to redeeming Sharon so surely he wouldn't ruin Shirley?
It is predictable the reaction that would occur on here. Haha
Its good for Sharon fans because you know Sharon is getting revenge, it's good for Phil/Shirley fans because they want them back together and me, I'm on the fence dependingcon how Phil treats Shirley and how it plays out.
Keeki
31-07-2014
Originally Posted by Ell_Ren:
“I think that is looking at it very black and white, Phil felt threatened and did was he always does, you have to remember all the scenes they shared prior to that and the fact that he did go to her at Christmas before Sharon. This is why I want to wait for it to play out on screen, I like Shirley and would hate for her to look a fool again but if it plays out well, it could work. I think a few Sharon fans also dislike the idea because it does shown that Phil really is torn between the two. So long as Phil doesn't use Shirley. It amazes me how much Phil and Shirley are talked about, at the end of the day that's what EastEnders wants. They are very popular outside of here so it was obvious something would happen. I have faith in DTC to not make Shirley a doormat this time, please.”

Regardless of what happened at Christmas Shirley would still be running back into the arms of a man who put his partner in hospital, pushed her, threatened to reveal information that could jeopardise her relationship with her son and frightened her so much that she stole from her other son. How could anyone who willingly returns to someone who did all that to them not look foolish, pathetic and desperate?
broadshoulder
31-07-2014
Bangs head against wall

Tedious crap. The same for several years. Its harder to watch this show.

Jesus, do us a favour - give Shirley the boot.
james_killroy
31-07-2014
This has been on the cards from the moment Phil got back with Sharon.

I think Steve and Linda have better chemistry anyway.

Only thing is. As Shirley is DTCs Queen I doubt Sharon will win in her battle to con Phil. Shirley will come out on top as the hero here and Sharon the villain
bass55
31-07-2014
This is a ridiculous, but sadly predictable storyline. The idea that Phil would cheat on Sharon - the woman he's wanted for over 20 years - with SHIRLEY is ludicrous, and actually pretty insulting to long-term viewers. Phil and Shirley was an abusive and deeply unhealthy relationship, they were not the forbidden love story that DTC now wants us to believe they are.

Nevertheless, I hope Sharon destroys him.
Ell_Ren
31-07-2014
Originally Posted by james_killroy:
“This has been on the cards from the moment Phil got back with Sharon.

I think Steve and Linda have better chemistry anyway.

Only thing is. As Shirley is DTCs Queen I doubt Sharon will win in her battle to con Phil. Shirley will come out on top as the hero here and Sharon the villain”

I think Steve and Linda have better chemistry and that is why I tend to like them even with some of the poor writing they have been subjected too.

I don't think that's true. DTC loves Sharon, he often tweets about her and its obvious how much he values Sharon. As well as Shirley, Roxy, Ronnie, Carol etc.

If it plays out well, they could both come out on top, just in different ways. Depending on how he plays it.
Sunset Dale
31-07-2014
Originally Posted by jamesc_715:
“Phil and Shirley affair = not surprised! Haha”

No me neither. It has been so obvious this has been on the cards. Phil and Shirley deserve each other. Both as vile as each other.
Plucky_Octopus
31-07-2014
The affair is, unfortunately inevitable because they do work very well together.

However I still would like to see the final Sharon revenge, to be with Ben.

So Phil and Shirley are shacked up at a flat, cause Sharon got the house. Jays still there. Etc. Sharon brings Ben back, as his brother's best friend he lives with her, she employs him. While Phil desperate to see him shuns him.
Added into the 'ev mix.

If they play it well. This will be good. However with so many potential strands, everyone having a different opinion on each bit. They might be leaving themselves open to shooting themselves in the foot making it possibly over complicated.
Sunset Dale
31-07-2014
They won't be together in the long run anyway. As soon as a good looking bird comes along he will go after them. No one remains happy in Walford as I've said before!
Hit Em Up Style
31-07-2014
Philth will be back on top. Even if Sharon gets everything Grunt will send him a million out of thin air and he will be back in business.

The only way Sharon's revenge will work is if she can make Ben - although this won't be hard, Ronnie and Roxy all turn their backs on Phil. Ronnie was pretty disgusted when she found out Phil was behind the attack on the bar so she quit Walford to readdress her own life. So if Roxy and Ronnie were to find out Phil and Shirley stole Roxy's millions then it might just be enough for them to shun him.
Sunset Dale
31-07-2014
Originally Posted by benbenalen:
“So Mona was eventually right then?? ”

What about all the people on here who predicted it? You could see it coming a mile off. The only question was would it be in the rebound. Its obviously not, and that's now confirmed. I don't like the pairing but I really don't think they will live happily ever after. Something will ruin it. Possibly Ben. Phil can't confine himself to one woman in the long term.
Ell_Ren
31-07-2014
Originally Posted by Sunset Dale:
“They won't be together in the long run anyway. As soon as a good looking bird comes along he will go after them. No one remains happy in Walford as I've said before!”

I'm going slightly off topic but I do really want to see at least a few strong united couples on the square! Dammit. haha
I think they should decide who they want Phil to be with and then he should remain faithful to them, it would make a refreshing change.
jamesc_715
31-07-2014
Originally Posted by james_killroy:
“This has been on the cards from the moment Phil got back with Sharon.

I think Steve and Linda have better chemistry anyway.

Only thing is. As Shirley is DTCs Queen I doubt Sharon will win in her battle to con Phil. Shirley will come out on top as the hero here and Sharon the villain”

I doubt that because DTC is a big fan of Sharon and I think he will fix her

I'm just glad Sharon and Phil will be over forever and we can see independent Sharon again. Surprised Phil is gonna cheat on Sharon as expected him to dump her and get back with Shirl.
AngelicPrincess
31-07-2014
As a Sharon fan I wouldn't want her with a man like Phil, so delighted its over and shes getting revenge. And so I don't understand why Shirley fans would. I do hope most women realise men that behave this way are not a sign of love. I mean that as in the future I would hate to see women sticking by men like that. After the everything yet again Shirley becomes a doormat and I am no Shirley fan but I find that a shame. Sharon is getting to move on with a backbone in the process they are removing Shirley's. I guess it gives Phil somewhere to go when Sharon takes everything. Shame its at Shirleys expense.
But please realise love is not treating anyone the way Phil has treated either of them. And don't put up with it in your own lives. He wont be strong with either of them as he has been nothing but a abusive partner in all ways to both.
londongirlGre
31-07-2014
Originally Posted by Keeki:
“Shirley has to be the most pathetic woman in Walford. I'm sure that if she caught Phil with a bloody axe and the bodies of her entire family at his feet she would still beg him to love her.”

Lol, so true.

This storyline is predictable. Phil and Shirley won't last. How can Shirley love Phil?! He has treated her badly and his son killed her best friend. Shirley is ridiculous.
Dr K Noisewater
31-07-2014
I'm happy about this, you could see it coming a mile off. Phil has better chemistry with and is better suited to Shirley than Sharon. As a huge Sharon fan I've wanted her away from Phil ever since their reunion he's dragging her down so this is good news it means she's got even more reason to hate him.

As for the posters saying 'Phil would never cheat on Sharon she's the love of his life' etc. Do you really believe in their current relationship? Twenty years ago yes Phil loved Sharon but I think that loved died a long time ago. Ever since their Christmas reunion there has been very little evidence that either of them love one another. It's been more of a 'relationship of convenience' for both of them I think. Sharon wanted a stable home for Denny and her own business to run and Phil was lonely and wanted a woman in his bed. There was no big grand romantic reunion of a twenty year old undying love it more like two single people desperate not to be alone settling for one another.
Ell_Ren
31-07-2014
Originally Posted by AngelicPrincess:
“As a Sharon fan I wouldn't want her with a man like Phil, so delighted its over and shes getting revenge. And so I don't understand why Shirley fans would. I do hope most women realise men that behave this way are not a sign of love. I mean that as in the future I would hate to see women sticking by men like that. After the everything yet again Shirley becomes a doormat and I am no Shirley fan but I find that a shame. Sharon is getting to move on with a backbone in the process they are removing Shirley's. I guess it gives Phil somewhere to go when Sharon takes everything. Shame its at Shirleys expense.
But please realise love is not treating anyone the way Phil has treated either of them. And don't put up with it in your own lives. He wont be strong with either of them as he has been nothing but a abusive partner in all ways to both.”

Bib: I'm very much on the fence about it, it depends on how it plays out. I don't want DTC to remove Shirley's backbone but surely he wouldn't ruin Shirley?
Sunset Dale
31-07-2014
Originally Posted by AngelicPrincess:
“As a Sharon fan I wouldn't want her with a man like Phil, so delighted its over and shes getting revenge. And so I don't understand why Shirley fans would. I do hope most women realise men that behave this way are not a sign of love. I mean that as in the future I would hate to see women sticking by men like that. After the everything yet again Shirley becomes a doormat and I am no Shirley fan but I find that a shame. Sharon is getting to move on with a backbone in the process they are removing Shirley's. I guess it gives Phil somewhere to go when Sharon takes everything. Shame its at Shirleys expense.
But please realise love is not treating anyone the way Phil has treated either of them. And don't put up with it in your own lives. He wont be strong with either of them as he has been nothing but a abusive partner in all ways to both.”

I wouldn't put up with a man like Phil.
ALowsley
31-07-2014
Shirley must be the most forgiving woman Phil has ever met. He has treated her like crap and snap she goes running after him when Phil kisses her. I'm not surprised about Shirley and Phil again but I'm appalled at both of them especially Shirley. Don't get me wrong, I like Shirley but I can't believe she wouldn't mind stealing someone else's partner. But Sharon hates Phil so I guess all is fine
IanMandy
31-07-2014
Originally Posted by Harlowe:
“It's good news for Sharon, it will give her more ammo and hopefully build a stronger character along the way, I still want something else to royally f*ck him over though...I think it be a let down if it's simply rinsing him or backing out last minute.

As for Shirley's character I think this does her a disservice, backward development, he treats her like dogshit most of the time and he use her for sex and still keep treating her like rubbish without having any intention of dumping Sharon.

Ultimately with Ben's return it will most likely put the kaput on things...it's certainly going to be a eventful September.”

Sadly though, I do think this will happen. Shirley is being pushed as the shows central characer and is quite clearly DTC's favourite character (and his own creation). He has made her seem more sympathetic as a characer by showing how he she couldn't cope with Mick etc, given her this huge family and huge secret. I think it unlikely that he is going to sacrifice all that for Sharon.

I do think its a shame, Sharon has been working so well but history goes that Phil would never cheat on Sharon. She is meant to be the love of his life rather thana scrag end like Shirley
Sunset Dale
31-07-2014
Originally Posted by ALowsley:
“Shirley must be the most forgiving woman Phil has ever met. He has treated her like crap and snap she goes running after him when Phil kisses her. I'm not surprised about Shirley and Phil again but I'm appalled at both of them especially Shirley. Don't get me wrong, I like Shirley but I can't believe she wouldn't mind stealing someone else's partner. But Sharon hates Phil so I guess all is fine ”

She's used to cheating though. Second nature to her. No amount of airbrushing can remove the fact she was whoring around when she was with Kevin.
Sunset Dale
31-07-2014
Shirley has no self respect for herself. She is attracted to Phil because he has power that she craves. It makes her feel good about herself. She loves strutting around pretending she's important.
vald
31-07-2014
Originally Posted by Hit Em Up Style:
“Philth will be back on top. Even if Sharon gets everything Grunt will send him a million out of thin air and he will be back in business.

The only way Sharon's revenge will work is if she can make Ben - although this won't be hard, Ronnie and Roxy all turn their backs on Phil. Ronnie was pretty disgusted when she found out Phil was behind the attack on the bar so she quit Walford to readdress her own life. So if Roxy and Ronnie were to find out Phil and Shirley stole Roxy's millions then it might just be enough for them to shun him.”

They didn't. It was £20,000 which they returned. Since the Ronnie has stolen £100,000 from Phil and had him clear up her mess after she murdered Carl. Both Ronnie and Roxy went running back to Phil when they were homeless and he took them in. They've never liked Sharon and Ronnie was the one who warned him that she was just using him.

Originally Posted by londongirlGre:
“Lol, so true.

This storyline is predictable. Phil and Shirley won't last. How can Shirley love Phil?! He has treated her badly and his son killed her best friend. Shirley is ridiculous.”

Shirley has always loved Phil, rich or poor. The only other man she ever loved was Kevin.

Originally Posted by Dr K Noisewater:
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As for the posters saying 'Phil would never cheat on Sharon she's the love of his life' etc. Do you really believe in their current relationship? Twenty years ago yes Phil loved Sharon but I think that loved died a long time ago. Ever since their Christmas reunion there has been very little evidence that either of them love one another. It's been more of a 'relationship of convenience' for both of them I think. Sharon wanted a stable home for Denny and her own business to run and Phil was lonely and wanted a woman in his bed. There was no big grand romantic reunion of a twenty year old undying love it more like two single people desperate not to be alone settling for one another.”

It was a relationship born of desperation. As Phil said ' we're both getting old'.

Originally Posted by Ell_Ren:
“Bib: I'm very much on the fence about it, it depends on how it plays out. I don't want DTC to remove Shirley's backbone but surely he wouldn't ruin Shirley?”

Phil has always been her Achilles heel. Love makes a fool of the best of people.
AngelicPrincess
31-07-2014
Originally Posted by Ell_Ren:
“Bib: I'm very much on the fence about it, it depends on how it plays out. I don't want DTC to remove Shirley's backbone but surely he wouldn't ruin Shirley?”

There is no way she can look anything but a fool and I think for Shirley as a character its a shame. Any woman who takes that back regardless of ANYTHING is spineless. It doesn't ruin her but it does make her a complete mug. Sharon should get her revenge and get rid.
My dream SL for both would be Sharon getting her revenge, Phil turning to Shirley only for her to tell him to get lost as well. Then continue her stories with her family. Both women then come out of that with some dignity and pride. Its great for Sharon but its not brilliant for Shirley. I am not even a fan and I think its a shame. Also means like Phil she is in the wrong. So deserves some comeuppance but it doesn't detract from her going back as a doormat.
lionkingonstage
31-07-2014
Great. Another affair. Bore off, bore off, bore off.
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