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Old 31-07-2014, 15:29
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I do think Phil is getting a raw deal. He never intended for Sharon to get hurt and he was mortified by what happened. Sharon didn't want security, Phil knew she needed it. All bars in London, esp the east end, need bouncers there. Sharon was very naïve to think she didn't need that sort of back up. So while it was unfortunate Sharon got hurt that wasn't the intention.

Sharon's revenge should have always come from finding out the truth about Dennis death. Not this because if Phil had explained the above to her she would understand.

That said I do hope she takes him for everything and I really hope Peggy is back for the reveal fall out.
While Phil never intended to hurt Sharon, sending thugs to smash up the bar probably wasn't the best way for him to convince her he was right. Typical Mitchell: act first, think about the consequences later.

I do hope that when Sharon gets her revenge on Phil she makes some kind of reference to Dennis. She had always suspected Phil's involvement, even straight after Dennis died, so I was quite underwhelmed when she was willing to forget it so quickly.
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Old 31-07-2014, 15:33
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I do think Phil is getting a raw deal. He never intended for Sharon to get hurt and he was mortified by what happened. Sharon didn't want security, Phil knew she needed it. All bars in London, esp the east end, need bouncers there. Sharon was very naïve to think she didn't need that sort of back up. So while it was unfortunate Sharon got hurt that wasn't the intention.

Sharon's revenge should have always come from finding out the truth about Dennis death. Not this because if Phil had explained the above to her she would understand.

That said I do hope she takes him for everything and I really hope Peggy is back for the reveal fall out.
I might be wrong but - Sharon doesn't know that though. As far as she's concerned, Phil ordered an attack on her and the bar. She doesn't know that he only intended to scare her?
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Old 31-07-2014, 15:34
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It's good news for Sharon, it will give her more ammo and hopefully build a stronger character along the way, I still want something else to royally f*ck him over though...I think it be a let down if it's simply rinsing him or backing out last minute.

As for Shirley's character I think this does her a disservice, backward development, he treats her like dogshit most of the time and he use her for sex and still keep treating her like rubbish without having any intention of dumping Sharon.

Ultimately with Ben's return it will most likely put the kaput on things...it's certainly going to be a eventful September.
Agreed. Just the other week he was threatening to reveal her biggest secret if she didn't pay him money back and was really quite threatening yet a matter of weeks later she's welcoming him back into her bed He should be getting a knee in the nuts not sex! FGS, where's Shirley's pride? I get that he's her achilles heel but he weakens her character, makes her look like a mug.

However we've yet to see how it plays out. I would imagine that Phil wants to keep it quiet while he keeps Shirley as his dirty little secret but they could surprise us and turn it on it's head by having him confessing to Sharon and breaking up with her before Sharon's exacted her revenge because Phil just has to stay the 'top dog' *roll eyes* Nice for the romantics but but it'll p!ss me right off because I want to see him felled! And I'm not the only one.

Regardless of what happened at Christmas Shirley would still be running back into the arms of a man who put his partner in hospital, pushed her, threatened to reveal information that could jeopardise her relationship with her son and frightened her so much that she stole from her other son. How could anyone who willingly returns to someone who did all that to them not look foolish, pathetic and desperate?
That's my problem too. If Phil hadn't blackmailed her lately I could have bought it more. If there'd been a slow build up with more scenes the one where he touched her face without the nastiness in between I could have bought it. But Shirley welcomes him back into her bed after that? There's forgiving and there's 'idiot'. I really wish they'd have her having more self-respect.

I think Steve and Linda have better chemistry and that is why I tend to like them even with some of the poor writing they have been subjected too.

I don't think that's true. DTC loves Sharon, he often tweets about her and its obvious how much he values Sharon. As well as Shirley, Roxy, Ronnie, Carol etc.

If it plays out well, they could both come out on top, just in different ways. Depending on how he plays it.
BIB: Definitely agree with that. Perhaps their on-screen chemistry is one of the reasons they've done it, there's no denying they are good together on screen but if they're going to reunite them I just wish they had gone about it a better way.

Underlined: Good point. Everyone could end up happy! Sharon's kicked him to the kerb and done him serious financial damage, and a much poorer Phil is back with Shirley.


There is no way she can look anything but a fool and I think for Shirley as a character its a shame. Any woman who takes that back regardless of ANYTHING is spineless. It doesn't ruin her but it does make her a complete mug. Sharon should get her revenge and get rid.
My dream SL for both would be Sharon getting her revenge, Phil turning to Shirley only for her to tell him to get lost as well. Then continue her stories with her family. Both women then come out of that with some dignity and pride. Its great for Sharon but its not brilliant for Shirley. I am not even a fan and I think its a shame. Also means like Phil she is in the wrong. So deserves some comeuppance but it doesn't detract from her going back as a doormat.
BIB: Bingo! Completely agree. Sharon takes him financially, Shirley finally realises that he's a louse then while he's lying in the gutter Ben comes back to the square and steps over him! Now that would make this viewer very happy!


Now a better 'twist' would be that Sharon and Shirley are in it together.
I doubt it'll happen but that would be bloody brilliant!

I don't think that a fair observation, plenty of people took her opinion into consideration but the problem was she could never see past her own and debate reasonably that is when it use to get out of hand.

I don't think anyone is right with soaps imo as they change like the sun, no want is set in stone.
Exactly. No one is right or wrong because this isn't fate, it's fiction and therefore the storyliners/writers could have been taken in any direction it just so happens that TPTB have decided to go down this route.

However I still wouldn't say it's 'true love' or whatever when it looks like Shirley is going to be a dirty little secret. As has already been said (and I agree), this is a backward step for Shirley. Her character has been expanded, her family has been built up, she doesn't need Phil and her obsession with him weakens her as a character. I had no problem at all with Shirl and Phil staying friends but I'm not keen on this. And of course it doesn't necessarily mean that he's in love with her, could just that he's p!ssed off with 'assertive' Sharon.


If Shirley had been beaten up by thugs Phil hired then I'd be cheering her on if she did the same.
I concur. If what happened to Sharon had happened to Shirley I'd be willing her on too!
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Old 31-07-2014, 15:36
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I do think Phil is getting a raw deal. He never intended for Sharon to get hurt and he was mortified by what happened. Sharon didn't want security, Phil knew she needed it. All bars in London, esp the east end, need bouncers there. Sharon was very naïve to think she didn't need that sort of back up. So while it was unfortunate Sharon got hurt that wasn't the intention.

Sharon's revenge should have always come from finding out the truth about Dennis death. Not this because if Phil had explained the above to her she would understand.

That said I do hope she takes him for everything and I really hope Peggy is back for the reveal fall out.
My husband said something similar the other night - I think he wished he'd kept his gob shut by the time I'd stopped ranting about Phil
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Old 31-07-2014, 15:38
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A Certain Shirley fan was right then
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Old 31-07-2014, 15:39
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Its a bit different from this time last year nearly everyone was convinced he didn't give a toss about Shirley now everyone seems convinced he's madly in love with her.
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Old 31-07-2014, 15:40
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If only Mona was still around eh?
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Old 31-07-2014, 15:42
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What if Shirley's also playing with Phil what do we think?
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Old 31-07-2014, 15:46
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What if Shirley's also playing with Phil what do we think?
I think she's genuine enough. Its not like she's getting any so she must be gagging for Phil right now. She probably polishes her boots everyday for him.
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Old 31-07-2014, 15:47
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I would be surprised if she was. She will never wise up to Phil has it never once crossed her mind that her grandson could of been hurt in the attack. It wont make Shirley look good if everyone knows she condones it
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Old 31-07-2014, 16:40
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I do think Phil is getting a raw deal. He never intended for Sharon to get hurt and he was mortified by what happened. Sharon didn't want security, Phil knew she needed it. All bars in London, esp the east end, need bouncers there. Sharon was very naïve to think she didn't need that sort of back up. So while it was unfortunate Sharon got hurt that wasn't the intention.

Sharon's revenge should have always come from finding out the truth about Dennis death. Not this because if Phil had explained the above to her she would understand.

That said I do hope she takes him for everything and I really hope Peggy is back for the reveal fall out.
Nope, don't see how even what he planned can be justified. Essentially, he planned for the woman he allegedly loves to be psychologically scarred by thuggish thieves and essentially feel scared in her own bar. Just so Phil could hold a bit of sway and hire the bouncers. Whether he was right in bouncers being appropriate or not, what he did was NOT the way to go and is very controlling and disturbing behaviour. Even if it had 'gone to plan' Sharon could have become very affected by the incident mentally. I really fail to see how any sane person could 'understand' and accept such a weird and underhand plot being explained to them by their partner.

Having said that, I do agree that the Dennis thing was given a bit of disservice initially, though now I guess there's every chance (which has already been referenced this week) her feelings re this can be expanded on during her revenge plot.
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Old 31-07-2014, 16:55
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Phil is getting the raw end of the deal here, he sent those thugs over there to cause a scene so the bouncers would step in and take care of it and Sharon would keep them on full time willingly. He counted on them being there and was unaware that Sharon had sent them home. I'm not saying that Phil should have done it but it wasn't as if he intentionally had her beaten up.
Post Sharongate Sharon and Phil aren't the big love story that everyone makes out, I do think Kathy was his true love and now his heart belongs to Shirley. Phil loves Sharon but I don't think he has been 'in' love with her for quite some time.
This could go well for all involved if it is played out well. Phil can finally admit he loves Shirley and prove it and Sharon will have even more ammunition for revenge. I would like to see him settle down now.
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Old 31-07-2014, 17:07
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It didn't help that I was in the middle of a rant at them about their sloppy service, then I read this, then glanced back to see a whole shelf of the stuff!
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Old 31-07-2014, 17:07
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The exact sound that the gruesome twosome will be making.
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Old 31-07-2014, 17:07
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Old 31-07-2014, 17:09
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Tedious crap. The same for several years. Its harder to watch this show.

Jesus, do us a favour - give Shirley the boot.
I disagree, Phil hasn't had an affair in years also, I hope Sharon comes out on top!
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Old 31-07-2014, 17:13
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Agreed. Just the other week he was threatening to reveal her biggest secret if she didn't pay him money back and was really quite threatening yet a matter of weeks later she's welcoming him back into her bed He should be getting a knee in the nuts not sex! FGS, where's Shirley's pride? I get that he's her achilles heel but he weakens her character, makes her look like a mug.

However we've yet to see how it plays out. I would imagine that Phil wants to keep it quiet while he keeps Shirley as his dirty little secret but they could surprise us and turn it on it's head by having him confessing to Sharon and breaking up with her before Sharon's exacted her revenge because Phil just has to stay the 'top dog' *roll eyes* Nice for the romantics but but it'll p!ss me right off because I want to see him felled! And I'm not the only one.



That's my problem too. If Phil hadn't blackmailed her lately I could have bought it more. If there'd been a slow build up with more scenes the one where he touched her face without the nastiness in between I could have bought it. But Shirley welcomes him back into her bed after that? There's forgiving and there's 'idiot'. I really wish they'd have her having more self-respect.
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Old 31-07-2014, 17:13
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If only Mona was still around eh?
She'd be in her element Bloody shame she's not.

What if Shirley's also playing with Phil what do we think?
Interesting twist but TBH I can't see it. I think where Phil is concerned she's pretty much wearing her heart on her sleeve.

Nope, don't see how even what he planned can be justified. Essentially, he planned for the woman he allegedly loves to be psychologically scarred by thuggish thieves and essentially feel scared in her own bar. Just so Phil could hold a bit of sway and hire the bouncers. Whether he was right in bouncers being appropriate or not, what he did was NOT the way to go and is very controlling and disturbing behaviour. Even if it had 'gone to plan' Sharon could have become very affected by the incident mentally. I really fail to see how any sane person could 'understand' and accept such a weird and underhand plot being explained to them by their partner.

Having said that, I do agree that the Dennis thing was given a bit of disservice initially, though now I guess there's every chance (which has already been referenced this week) her feelings re this can be expanded on during her revenge plot.
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Seriously, that's exactly what I shot back at MrL and his poor Phil spiel! OK he didn't intend it to happen but it was still a damned irresponsible thing to do.
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Old 31-07-2014, 17:15
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Nope, don't see how even what he planned can be justified. Essentially, he planned for the woman he allegedly loves to be psychologically scarred by thuggish thieves and essentially feel scared in her own bar. Just so Phil could hold a bit of sway and hire the bouncers. Whether he was right in bouncers being appropriate or not, what he did was NOT the way to go and is very controlling and disturbing behaviour. Even if it had 'gone to plan' Sharon could have become very affected by the incident mentally. I really fail to see how any sane person could 'understand' and accept such a weird and underhand plot being explained to them by their partner.

Having said that, I do agree that the Dennis thing was given a bit of disservice initially, though now I guess there's every chance (which has already been referenced this week) her feelings re this can be expanded on during her revenge plot.
For me the Dennis reveal should have been the final straw, the dramatic potential for it was immense but the writing on this has been v hit and miss for me. I do agree sending heavies round to scare your girlfriend is reprehensible and Phil deserves everything he gets.
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Old 31-07-2014, 17:23
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She'd be in her element Bloody shame she's not.





Interesting twist but TBH I can't see it. I think where Phil is concerned she's pretty much wearing her heart on her sleeve.





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Yes, she is missed . I checked her out on twitter today and to say she is excited is an understatement.

It'll be interesting to see how they play this...I hope he'll at least let her off the rest of the debt.

I'm really not a fan of Phil/Shirley although they've had their moments, but maybe a humbler Phil would be a better person. Could you imagine if he moved into the Vic with her
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Old 31-07-2014, 17:33
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Yes, she is missed . I checked her out on twitter today and to say she is excited is an understatement.

It'll be interesting to see how they play this...I hope he'll at least let her off the rest of the debt.

I'm really not a fan of Phil/Shirley although they've had their moments, but maybe a humbler Phil would be a better person. Could you imagine if he moved into the Vic with her
I would like to see Phil settle down and become a bit humbler actually.
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Old 31-07-2014, 17:45
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I don't think Phil and Shirley will last because it's an affair and I think Ben will ruin things for Phil and Shirley.
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Old 31-07-2014, 17:47
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Old 31-07-2014, 17:49
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I don't think Phil and Shirley will last because it's an affair and I think Ben will ruin things for Phil and Shirley.
Ben will definitely put a spanner in the works.
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Old 31-07-2014, 17:50
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Oh I say!!

Would love to see how they could market it that.

Imagine what they would call a male equivalent...
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