Because he's confused when he's made concerted efforts with the hms only to get the cold shoulder. I also don't see all this poor Pav stuff in the DR either. He's not crying his eyes out or hiding himself away in a corner. If you listen to his DR excerpts, he's admitted that it will take a bit of time for the hms to trust him as a newbie but he will keep trying. That's what we've seen him do.

He's not privy to the attacks and backstabbing going on behind his back and is taking everything at face value when the hms are saying one thing to him but another behind his back. As I said in my last post, it's subtle, and he knows something's not right, but can't put his finger on what it is exactly. Well the clues are in how Chris and Mark have been as examples from how they've spoken about him behind his back and then changing tact when he asks for a direct answer.

Agree, this 'I'm being rejected' narrative Pav is promoting, just doesn't add up with what we actually see happening. We see him rapping with Winston, sitting and chatting with everyone, singing and playing and generally having fun.

Sure they are wary of him and they talk about him, but that's not surprising since the only stuff they know about him comes from outside. They have no reason to distrust the judgement of those former housemates who all advised them to be suspicious of him.

I agree, I really don’t think Pav has done anything wrong, even with how he reacts to being isolated.
I actually liked Marlon (one of the few who did lol!) but I felt when they had the issue with him saving himself, he didn’t help himself once he became isolated, moping around in bed etc but in this instance with Pav, I do think Pav has tried to intergrate himself.

Pav isn't a blokey bloke so he would never have fitted in with the 'cool gang' even if he had been in there from Day 1. Sadly, Chris has made sure he won't fit in the meek-and-mild group, either.

Pav is doing his best to mingle by sitting in on conversations and relaxing on the same sofas, but I'm not surprised that he still feels ostracised.

Yes that's exactly what he's been doing - joining in and making the best of his experience in the house. How does that detract from getting the cold shoulder or omissions when speaking one-to-one to the hms. And those same hms are not telling the truth at all, but instead as soon as his back is turned they are slating him and even making up lies about him. I.e. his letter from home that changed from 'end goal' to 'prize money'. These are the same hms that have had no qualms in jumping ship, ostracising hms etc. So in that respect it's par for the course with Pav. In fact, why not treat him with even more contempt and those who were left out join right in with the others instead of having the least bit of empathy for his situation.

I have to say I am inclined to believe he has been isolated in there, not just on what he himself has said, and how he has felt in there, and what we have seen, but also bearing in mind he is constantly being talked about by the other HM’s in a negative context.
I find it sad that he would be relieved to leave should he be evicted on Friday.
I don’t think he has really over done the sympathy card either.

I think they are doing there best to isolate him, but Pav is also doing his best not to let it get to him. He's got fighting spirit from what I've seen of him. That would be hard going though if it was to go on for weeks and weeks and never being accepted.

I'm just hoping that the reveal task has given some of the hms food for thought and they change their behaviour in a more positive way.

Exactly this. They seem to have jumped on him because of his letter from home, started picking away at it and have now come to the conclusion that it could only mean bad things. Personally I think his family were telling him to hang in there even though they were all giving him a rough time. Yes they are hypocrites.

It's the same with all groups who single out one individual. The worst trait is the validation they all seek from one another that it's somehow okay to do so.

Yeah I do see why the HM's have turned against pav and zoe as everyone is paranoid and thats what BB wanted.

I agree this year is nasty although I am still enjoying it.

I'm enjoying it too but want triumph over the odds for Pav to stay and get a few cheers on Friday night.

I do like Pav, I didn’t at first but I like how he has dealt with being outcast as such and accused of things like staring.

But all the HM's know that Pav is obsessed with money, he says he wakes up every morning with a vision of a million pounds (or is it dollars) on the ceiling, it's his goal.

Well given that they have a propensity to believe whatever they like to validate their distrust or dislike of him, then I'd take that with a pinch of salt.

Agreed.

I think he went into the house with a game plan and a ”player”, they probably all did and particularly going into the house at such a late stage you need one really, but once you are there, I think everything changes and game plans can go out the window.

I do feel he feels isolated especially because he hasn’t really played the sympathy card too much, the only time he showed real emotion is when he got his letter from home and it looked like a release of what he has been feeling just came out. But what I like is he isnt moping around.

Yes I have been scratching my head about that too. He says he feels ostracised yet appears to be included in conversations etc. His personal account hasn't seemed to match the footage we have seen.

I think he has just been trying to join in, make the most of it, but I wonder how many people bar Zoe he can realyl sit and have a proper conversation with beyind the odd word or task. I like that he is trying to fit in and not just mope about.

Have you got a magic telly?

Chris admitted he'd been excluding Pav - Pav didn't have to PLAY the victim, he WAS the victim ffs.

Thats true, when Chris was asked the questionhe didnt deny it and Mark also talked about it.

I think its fairly obvious that Pav is being a little isolated/excluded in there if you take into account all the factors but at the same token this is what BB wanted by putting in HMs so late in the game AND the fact Danielle Bianca and Matthew said what they said.

They all distrust him. It's not to do with him being a late entrant because they all trust Zoe so why do you think they all feel the same way about him? Remember they live with the guy.

Mm I'm not sure I understand this Are you suggesting that everything is hunky dory and Pav is just pretending otherwise. IMO the issue is that the HMs don't trust him because of his VT, because of what ex HMs said and because he's a newbie. They made their feelings known and this led to Pav finding it hard to integrate.

This has been compounded by the vicious public reception and Chris telling him where and where not to look

Most have said that they will / do include him which they do but there must be a brick wall type atmosphere what with all the mistrust. Even up until last night both Ashleigh and Mark are still saying they won't ever trust him. This must have a massive effect on Pav's time there.

Regarding the money this is just another stick to beat PV with IMO. His letter said keep focused on the goal or something like that and this has been interpreted by everyone bar Ashleigh who got it as meaning only money matters to him, he thinks he's going to win and he's only here for the money.

I'd suggest their obsessing over this says more about them than him. So what if he is only there for the money. Chris had something to say about this and yet he also said he couldn't be bothered to get to know him.

They're basically finding reasons not to like him to justify their dislike of him.

They don't trust Zoe either.

Agreed.

If Chris was the group you would have point, but as he isn't you don't.

Was Pav a victim of Chris's behaviour or not?