Originally Posted by Bunions:
“Was Pav a victim of Chris's behaviour or not?”
“Was Pav a victim of Chris's behaviour or not?”
Whats that got to do with the post you responded to?
well...no wonder Pav is not trusted!!!!
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Originally Posted by psychedelic:
“They all distrust him. It's not to do with him being a late entrant because they all trust Zoe so why do you think they all feel the same way about him? Remember they live with the guy.”
“They all distrust him. It's not to do with him being a late entrant because they all trust Zoe so why do you think they all feel the same way about him? Remember they live with the guy.”
In fairness, they did feel distrustful of Zoe after what Danielle, and Matthew said but the HMs were confused as Zoe got a good reaction from the public and Pav got booed which made them even more distrustful of him.
Yes Pav was excluded because of things said by the HM outside, but I also think pav has enough brains to know he has to find a role in the house. In this case I believe he did play on the victim .
I think they all do and say things which gives the editing team the ammo to put together a show in the manner they please.
Yes Chris said thing and yes Pav played the victim but they cut out all the parts where they spent time together in a normal manner.
That's why the live feed didn't allow this to happen.
I think they all do and say things which gives the editing team the ammo to put together a show in the manner they please.
Yes Chris said thing and yes Pav played the victim but they cut out all the parts where they spent time together in a normal manner.
That's why the live feed didn't allow this to happen.
Guy goes on a game show that has a cash prize and admits he wants to win the prize.
Yeah hang him from the rafters. How dare he etc etc..
Yeah hang him from the rafters. How dare he etc etc..
Originally Posted by AOTB:
“Guy goes on a game show that has a cash prize and admits he wants to win the prize.
Yeah hang him from the rafters. How dare he etc etc..”
“Guy goes on a game show that has a cash prize and admits he wants to win the prize.
Yeah hang him from the rafters. How dare he etc etc..”
All this "he/she's playing a game, how disgraceful, get them out" stuff really annoys me. Guess what? It's a game and they're all playing it!
Originally Posted by PERILLA:
“All this "he/she's playing a game, how disgraceful, get them out" stuff really annoys me. Guess what? It's a game and they're all playing it!”
“All this "he/she's playing a game, how disgraceful, get them out" stuff really annoys me. Guess what? It's a game and they're all playing it!”
No no no no, you've got it all wrong -The others are only in there to perform selfless charity work.
Originally Posted by Cat-:
“I pretty much agree with you. I think the hms have been full of suspicion and paranoia and have not taken too well to Pav's VT. However, the excuses that they have come up with to validate their points are laughable. In fact, they've actually changed the context of what was said in his letter and are making a mountain out of a molehill that he's some kind of gold digger and will kill to get to the final and the 'prize money'.
I also think Pav has made every effort to fit in and get along with them. He has been seen to do this and like another poster has said above, we have seen him sit and have a laugh or having fun. But | think that's down to Pav trying not to allow them to ostracise him and just forcing himself to be part of the group. Where else would he go? Sit on his own in the bedroom? Surely that would really be seeking sympathy and victim status? No, instead he's probably flummoxed and confused at the open hostility shown from the likes of Mark. That incident where he was asked his opinion about what kind of fruit he'd be was an example of being hostile even though they were the ones to ask his opinion. I.e. to look like they are including him but then sneering at him when he says anything. It's very subtle, but it's there and he must be confused by it.
And then the talking and bitching about him behind his back. It's the viewers who have given Pav the victim status, not Pav himself. He's said he expects to go on Friday because he doesn't fit in despite his efforts, but will do his best to have as good a week as he can.”
“I pretty much agree with you. I think the hms have been full of suspicion and paranoia and have not taken too well to Pav's VT. However, the excuses that they have come up with to validate their points are laughable. In fact, they've actually changed the context of what was said in his letter and are making a mountain out of a molehill that he's some kind of gold digger and will kill to get to the final and the 'prize money'.
I also think Pav has made every effort to fit in and get along with them. He has been seen to do this and like another poster has said above, we have seen him sit and have a laugh or having fun. But | think that's down to Pav trying not to allow them to ostracise him and just forcing himself to be part of the group. Where else would he go? Sit on his own in the bedroom? Surely that would really be seeking sympathy and victim status? No, instead he's probably flummoxed and confused at the open hostility shown from the likes of Mark. That incident where he was asked his opinion about what kind of fruit he'd be was an example of being hostile even though they were the ones to ask his opinion. I.e. to look like they are including him but then sneering at him when he says anything. It's very subtle, but it's there and he must be confused by it.
And then the talking and bitching about him behind his back. It's the viewers who have given Pav the victim status, not Pav himself. He's said he expects to go on Friday because he doesn't fit in despite his efforts, but will do his best to have as good a week as he can.”
That little incident portrayed exactly what's happening in the house.
Even as they asked him, I was cringing because I knew they would object to whatever his choice was or dismiss it.
They were absolutely itching to have a go.
But oh so innocent(roll eyes smiley)
Ok, so Pav:
- has a gameplan
- knows what he is doing
- is manipulating everyone
- is using his psychology degree
and....(my personal favourite).....
- is a snake in the grass
....along with countless other cliches being thrown around in that house.
Some of them need to get some material.
- has a gameplan
- knows what he is doing
- is manipulating everyone
- is using his psychology degree
and....(my personal favourite).....
- is a snake in the grass
....along with countless other cliches being thrown around in that house.
Some of them need to get some material.
Originally Posted by Ron_Andrews:
“Whats that got to do with the post you responded to?”
“Whats that got to do with the post you responded to?”
It was inferred that Pav couldn't be a victim if it was only Chris who excluded him - not that that's known, only that he was shown owning-up to it.
AFAIK, victimhood isn't a numbers thing.
Originally Posted by Speak-Softly:
“That little incident portrayed exactly what's happening in the house.
Even as they asked him, I was cringing because I knew they would object to whatever his choice was or dismiss it.
They were absolutely itching to have a go.
But oh so innocent(roll eyes smiley)”
“That little incident portrayed exactly what's happening in the house.
Even as they asked him, I was cringing because I knew they would object to whatever his choice was or dismiss it.
They were absolutely itching to have a go.
But oh so innocent(roll eyes smiley)”
And when he said "grape" he fell right into their trap.
Originally Posted by Conehead:
“And when he said "grape" he fell right into their trap.”
“And when he said "grape" he fell right into their trap.”
He said "banana" didnt he?
Mark was saying "iiiiiiim not a baaaaaanaaaaaanaaaaa, iii dont bruise easyyyyyy!!!"
Originally Posted by Kewpee:
“Fishy isn't it?
I said before, Pav knew going in that he had to work to stay in. No point playing the HMs, they have already bonded, so he's better off playing the viewers.
BB viewers love an underdog.
”
“Fishy isn't it?
I said before, Pav knew going in that he had to work to stay in. No point playing the HMs, they have already bonded, so he's better off playing the viewers.
BB viewers love an underdog.
”
Yes, it seems to be working for Christopher
Originally Posted by Penny Crayon:
“Pav is not trusted because 'he knows what he's doing'
- it must be true because Danielle and Matthew told them.”
“Pav is not trusted because 'he knows what he's doing'
- it must be true because Danielle and Matthew told them.”
That's old news thy have all moved on since then it just on this forum thy have failed to move on and are running with the victim card the only victim now is Chris being bullied outside the house
Originally Posted by Cat-:
“I'm enjoying it too but want triumph over the odds for Pav to stay and get a few cheers on Friday night.
”
“I'm enjoying it too but want triumph over the odds for Pav to stay and get a few cheers on Friday night.
”
Yeah so do I and what an epic fail for the producers if we were supposed to hate the noobs?
I've seen loads of support on here for Pav and rightly so.
Even if he WAS staring at Ashleigh and DOES want to win the prize money, it just goes to show what a load of nasty gobshites they are in there to use such petty nonsense as their excuse to ostracise him.
Originally Posted by Kewpee:
“Fishy isn't it?
I said before, Pav knew going in that he had to work to stay in. No point playing the HMs, they have already bonded, so he's better off playing the viewers.
BB viewers love an underdog.”
“Fishy isn't it?
I said before, Pav knew going in that he had to work to stay in. No point playing the HMs, they have already bonded, so he's better off playing the viewers.
BB viewers love an underdog.
”
Brits in general love an underdog....good job too what with having such a spectacularly shit national football team.
Originally Posted by Bunions:
“Yeah so do I and what an epic fail for the producers if we were supposed to hate the noobs?
I've seen loads of support on here for Pav and rightly so.
Even if he WAS staring at Ashleigh and DOES want to win the prize money, it just goes to show what a load of nasty gobshites they are in there to use such petty nonsense as their excuse to ostracise him.”
“Yeah so do I and what an epic fail for the producers if we were supposed to hate the noobs?
I've seen loads of support on here for Pav and rightly so.
Even if he WAS staring at Ashleigh and DOES want to win the prize money, it just goes to show what a load of nasty gobshites they are in there to use such petty nonsense as their excuse to ostracise him.”
Bravo to that
Final three
1.Christopher
2.Helen
3.Pav
Originally Posted by ruffle:
“That's old news thy have all moved on since then it just on this forum thy have failed to move on and are running with the victim card the only victim now is Chris being bullied outside the house”
“That's old news thy have all moved on since then it just on this forum thy have failed to move on and are running with the victim card the only victim now is Chris being bullied outside the house”
You cannot be a victim of bullying if you know nothing about it.
Originally Posted by Bunions:
“Yeah so do I and what an epic fail for the producers if we were supposed to hate the noobs?
I've seen loads of support on here for Pav and rightly so.
Even if he WAS staring at Ashleigh and DOES want to win the prize money, it just goes to show what a load of nasty gobshites they are in there to use such petty nonsense as their excuse to ostracise him.”
“Yeah so do I and what an epic fail for the producers if we were supposed to hate the noobs?
I've seen loads of support on here for Pav and rightly so.
Even if he WAS staring at Ashleigh and DOES want to win the prize money, it just goes to show what a load of nasty gobshites they are in there to use such petty nonsense as their excuse to ostracise him.”
Well said
Originally Posted by Penny Crayon:
“Bravo to that
Final three
1.Christopher
2.Helen
3.Pav”
“Bravo to that
Final three
1.Christopher
2.Helen
3.Pav”
My fave three also
Originally Posted by Penny Crayon:
“Bravo to that
Final three
1.Christopher
2.H̶e̶l̶e̶n̶ Ashleigh
3.Pav”
“Bravo to that
Final three
1.Christopher
2.H̶e̶l̶e̶n̶ Ashleigh
3.Pav”
Absolutely
Originally Posted by Cat-:
“Well said
My fave three also”
“Well said
My fave three also
”
*curtseys*
Originally Posted by NathalieR:
“I agree, I really don’t think Pav has done anything wrong, even with how he reacts to being isolated.
I actually liked Marlon (one of the few who did lol!) but I felt when they had the issue with him saving himself, he didn’t help himself once he became isolated, moping around in bed etc but in this instance with Pav, I do think Pav has tried to intergrate himself.”
“I agree, I really don’t think Pav has done anything wrong, even with how he reacts to being isolated.
I actually liked Marlon (one of the few who did lol!) but I felt when they had the issue with him saving himself, he didn’t help himself once he became isolated, moping around in bed etc but in this instance with Pav, I do think Pav has tried to intergrate himself.”
But that's the point.....he's not being isolated.
As I've said before, on the HL show at least, we are shown him being with the other housemates chatting or having a laugh.
Originally Posted by Alrightmate:
“But that's the point.....he's not being isolated.
As I've said before, on the HL show at least, we are shown him being with the other housemates chatting or having a laugh.”
“But that's the point.....he's not being isolated.
As I've said before, on the HL show at least, we are shown him being with the other housemates chatting or having a laugh.”
Thats true but we are only seeing a 45 min show of a 24 hour day so yes he might have a little interaction per day with them but we dont know what happens with the rest of the hours plus he has said himself he feels this way.
I dont hugely blame the HMs as they are so paranoid and its intense in there but I do think as a result they have outcast him a little like they did with Marlon - however with Marlon he moped whereas with Pav he does appear to try and have a laugh.
Originally Posted by NathalieR:
“Thats true but we are only seeing a 45 min show of a 24 hour day so yes he might have a little interaction per day with them but we dont know what happens with the rest of the hours plus he has said himself he feels this way.
I dont hugely blame the HMs as they are so paranoid and its intense in there but I do think as a result they have outcast him a little like they did with Marlon - however with Marlon he moped whereas with Pav he does appear to try and have a laugh.”
“Thats true but we are only seeing a 45 min show of a 24 hour day so yes he might have a little interaction per day with them but we dont know what happens with the rest of the hours plus he has said himself he feels this way.
I dont hugely blame the HMs as they are so paranoid and its intense in there but I do think as a result they have outcast him a little like they did with Marlon - however with Marlon he moped whereas with Pav he does appear to try and have a laugh.”
I agree with most of that. But from what we're being shown Pav isn't being isolated.
That's why some form of live broadcast really is necessary for this show.
The housemates distrust him, but again that is something we have to thank BB for by sewing those seeds of distrust by having outside influence interfering with events.
Originally Posted by rolergirl:
“He said "banana" didnt he?
Mark was saying "iiiiiiim not a baaaaaanaaaaaanaaaaa, iii dont bruise easyyyyyy!!!"”
“He said "banana" didnt he?
Mark was saying "iiiiiiim not a baaaaaanaaaaaanaaaaa, iii dont bruise easyyyyyy!!!"”
I think he said banana and changed it to grape when they sneered. Or vice versa.
Anyway it was a trap baited with fruit.
Nope, I'm afraid he isn't and the quotes from the other HMs that you are referring to is just some coocoo-land malarkey.
Pav or XMAS 2 win!
Pav or XMAS 2 win!
I doubt he's boasting about winning the money. Didn't he say he knows he's gonna get evicted on Friday
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