Do you agree with the BBOTS' panel's comments about Helen?

So they said that people got over Ashleigh being horrible at the beginning and we should do the same for Helen.

My opinion is that the difference is, although Helen has calmed down a lot, she's been very aggressive for very little reason at times and also shown bullying behaviour. I think she could still show these tendencies at any time too and her behaviour changed after receiving multiple cautions and a warning from BB.

Helen miraculously turned things around on her 'journey' because BB warned her once and for all that any further infringements of the rules would result in her being removed from the House.

That is the sole reason she seems to have become more human!

The difference being, Ashleigh wasn't anywhere near Helen's level of being 'horrible'. It doesn't take a genius to work out why Ashleigh is liked more than Helen. Doesn't this tell us something?

No comparison. IMHO.

I do agree with the panel. The last couple of weeks I've been warming to her as she's settled down, even though I never thought I would like her. She cracked me up tonight when the focus group talked about her being malicious and aggressive and she said something like, "No, I'm not! stfu, you f*cking knobs!"

I don't remember Ashleigh being horrible at the beginning. It was Pauline, Helen & Toya who were horrible.
Ashleigh was virtually non-existent for the first 2 weeks.
We then saw odd snippets of Danielle & Ashleigh in the pod, moaning about Helen and Kimberly.
Then Toya switched sides after hearing the Get Helen Out chants...

Helen hasn't changed much.
Sure, maybe she's learned something about herself in the process, but she's still pretty much the same, just on her best behaviour.
She's had her multiple warnings, including the one that we saw where BB warned that she'd be removed from the house etc.
There's no-one really left for her to argue with anyway.

Ashleigh & Helen are now the only two girls left, so I guess it makes sense that they've put their differences aside and are trying to get along...

However, we still see occasional snippets of Helen's nastiness/aggression slipping through, e.g. when Jale's comment about Ash was read out in one of the tasks last week, Helen managed to get a "fat bitch!" comment in, and tonight we saw her scream "f. off you" at one of the women on the bb forum panel.

It wouldn't be too difficult to get her to fly off the handle again via some bb meddling where any of Ashleigh, Christopher, Chris or Pav do something to "betray" her, Ash or Winston.

As for the panel on BOTS... jeez, how low could they go?! Especially Lionel Blair.
Much to their disappointment, Chris was not evicted. Thank god.

Was Ashleigh not being slightly aggressive this week when arguying with Christopher .. he walked away and she said she could smash his face in a mirror ... Helens mouth has been nasty and personal but not violent.

Helens journey what a load of rubbish. She was vile at the start, still has aggressive tendencies. BB yet again trying to put Helen in a good light. BB accepts bullies it seems.

You mean that little tiff?

As it goes I think Helen was really bad in the first few weeks. Really bad.
But right now I haven't really got much of a problem with her and she seems to be mostly all right, apart from an occasional bitch here and there.
Yes, it could be said that BB's warnings played a part. But you could also say that perhaps she's just got used to people more and is more content in the house?
I can't say for sure that she's changed, because who knows what she'd be like if she was thrust into another unfamiliar environment and situation. And how likely is it that anybody's entire character would change just because they've lived in the BB house? All I have to go on is a slightly skeptical view of how things currently appear.

So I'd say that she CAN be okay and okay to be around.
I don't think she's all bad. In fact there are times where I think she can be genuinely nice. But I don't know for sure when she's being genuinely nice or if it isn't as real as it might seem.
Put it this way, I can't find any energy to feel the way I used to do about her, and as it's a reasonably content house at the moment I don't really dislike any of them that much. They have all just seemed to have learned how to get on with each other, tolerate each other, and maybe even like each other most of the time.

It is quite a happy house, but I actually don't mind.
I don't want to get too soppy so I'll end on a negative note. I trust Mark the least, and believe he's ruthless enough to play them all until the end. At the moment he's the one who I don't feel much warmth towards.

I just think its complete double standards .. IF Helen had said the remark about smashing someones face in a mirror .. everybody would be calling ofcom for her removal from the house ..

Helen has not had to face the pressure of being nominated and up for eviction like the others...so she has had a really different experience in the house. She said its been a very easy ride for her.Its not a level playing field at all and she has had an enormous advantage,

Not if it was a one off they wouldn't but alongside her other aggressive outbursts, yeah probably.

Yes, but that shouldn't be held against her, it isn't her fault Pauline chose her for the free pass, yet it is still being used on here as a stick to beat her with.

Yes I agree that Ashleigh has been forgiven a lot. Let's not forget her boos a few weeks ago. She's also being a brat towards Christopher - again it's acceptable behaviour for Ashleigh, but not Helen.

I agree that Helen should be forgiven for her earlier behaviour. However, whilst not excusing it, I do think some of the others were as bad to Jale such as Ash, who seems to have been forgiven. Some of the others hid behind her laughing as well, including Winston and Mark.

Either way she apologised to Jale who forgave and moved on and do did I and some others who like her.

I have not liked Helen from the beginning and have even said so earlier this morning.......

......but.......I've had a chance to catch up on last nights' BB and really enjoyed listening to Helen, Ash and a couple of others discussing what was said about the relationship (or not) between Helen and Ash.........and found myself really laughing along with them, and warming to the pair of them......

Now, I was wondering whether to come on here.......put up a thread, asking if I should be verbally punched to knock some sense back into me........I have decided now that some FMs ARE right, she is not ALL bad........huh........there.......I said it........off to drink my latte.......

I think it was about time BOTS showed some positivity towards Helen, after panel members, audience members and so called 'experts' night after night, ripping her to shreds, so, yes, I agree with last nights panel on Helen, but not on Chris, Lionel Blair should be ashamed of himself with his Hannibal Lechter comments toward Chris he is more than old enough to know better

Welcome to the dark side Mwahahahaha!

They need to big up Helen to justify the shed load of money she's going to receive next week.

Wish I could comment on last nights' BBOTS........but for the first time, I have deleted my recording after Steven started talking.........just couldn't listen, and I don't really like Lionel Blair........

.......no BBOTS........no comment......

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So when Helen said of Danielle she would rip her effing head off or that she would knock her effing out, that wasn't violent talk!?

It really wasn't a pleasant experience, just about EVERY person in the studio was against Chris, Lionel Bleurk kept doing the Hannibal Lechter thing! Awful, and Steven?! What a bitter pratt, I will be so glad when I don't have to see or hear him anymore he makes my stomach lurch! He has 2 second sex on TV and he has the nerve to call someone else weird and creepy!!

Oh I do hope so

I missed that

Why does Ashleigh get away with saying these things? That's awful Warning?

Helen...well BB must have known when they put her in the house that she's not very good with conflict and is always on the defensive - understandbale when your get public hate every day of the week because one of your Johns was a famous football "hero" with a pregnant wife. And she delivered the goods. But I don't think that's Helen all the time, I think that's Helen with strangers. When they become friend she is funny and loyal. And all that is happening is that we are seeing that side to her now she has settled.

I don't know why Ashleigh is top of the polls now when she's as bad as Helen ever was. Perhaps a lot of people are saving face.

So that makes it alright? She's now taken to insulting the public who do not like her behaviour and that cracks you up?

I think Steve calls out Chris as creepy because...'It takes one to know one'.

Like I keep saying, it seems sheep have short memories. Do you remember how intimidating she was to Matthew, and I don't think we saw the half of it, That was when she got her final warning.