Nope...not a joke How do you know that any of those HM's feel alone, like crap, intimidated and fearful? They all seem to be getting on well from what I have seen. Helen was an absolute horror in the first couple of weeks and her behaviour was abhorrent, I disliked her with a passion, but, I think she has shown herself to be a caring sweet girl, I believe everyone deserves a second chance, and no-one is a complete write-off, she has grown on me and she is now one of my favourites.

The woman can't stand anything which is said about her which is negative.

My point was that she changed because of the warning. She hasn't changed because she feels like she wants to be nicer.

Caring sweet girl... oh I see it's full of comedians here tonight

No but really, that's what I get based on the edited show I've seen. Housemates seems fearful and intimidated by her. That's based on things they have said about her and in the diary room. Are you viewing a live feed that wer're not aware of?

For example, Chris bursting into tears at her. That was all based on intimidation IMO. But you might see it differently. You may see it as Saint Helen showing him the way..

Exactly. Whether she agrees with the public or not, she should have bit her tongue. And thought to herself... Why do they think this? What do I need to change? Instead, Helen being Helen, lashes out. And people here tell me she's a changed person?

Look at her response to the task yesterday. Can't stand negative criticism.

This final pass does show that when people are given the time, or the correct edit, they will see other sides to a character. Maybe if Pauline or any of the others had been given the final pass, they'd be seen as completely different now.
The difference with Helen really is that viewers nor housemates never had the chance to vote for her.

And even if that is so, so what? That is a perfectly normal response from the majority of people in society.

MY point still remains-

Try and modify her behaviour once given warnings- Disgusting! VILE!She only did it because she had warnings!

Doesn't change her behaviour- Disgusting Vile! She'll never change!

Classic lose lose.

Do you see the dilemma here? As far as many are concerned it appears we should just write her off as a human being. I know my opinion sounds crazy to you lot, but humans are complex beings, and as a for writing people off so easily, that's not how I roll. (as it were).

It does seem quite a lot. she must have been near enough living in the DR getting called in that much.

I am absolutely with you on this subject, I can't believe easily people have discarded this human being as worthless and wont see even the tiniest bit of good in her no human being is completely perfect, and no human being is a complete 'wrong un'. I makes me very sad.

Oh get off your high-horse you

I'm not writing anyone off....you're being overly dramatic and I'm just shooting the breeze about a bint off the telly. Like we all are.

I think she has a toxicity and an unpleasantness that's hard to watch. I also think she's been blessed with beauty and a real sense of loyalty to those who she likes (may heaven help you if she doesn't).

I think it's sad that she'd rather present her nastier side to the world than the softer side she's now showing and I wish she'd have 'realised' how horrid she was being after maybe 1 or 2 BB warnings.

It's the fact that it took 15 that makes me think 'she's just not ***king getting it'

I'm someone who'd tell someone like her to go and ***k themselves so it's the ones who can't that I felt sorry for. But then, the Helens of this world tend not to try their shit with people like me.

If you've got any Jamaican friends, ask them what 'Duppies know who to frighten' means

Giving her credit for not being as nasty, incredible. Yes, people are complex, but Helen is not a nice person from what we have seen before the warning. The rest might as well not count because it's not her, because she practically forced into it.

But, how do you know that she only changed because she had a warning? Surely if she was vile, evil and intimidating and that was her nature, she would have slipped up and reverted back to the pre-warning Helen, but she hasn't.
She hasn't because she has seen footage of herself in action and she didnt like what she saw,she spoke to HMs who explained how she made them feel and she seemed genuinely remorseful, she made a lot of effort to change, and I personally believe she is a much nicer person for it. This is only my opinion obviously.

It's not giving her credit for not being nasty. No offence but it's a little bit deeper than a black and white 'oh she had a warning, now she's an oscar winning actress mirroring Julia Roberts and those poor suckers have fallen for it' type thing.

Thought she was vile at first but I like her now, never thought i'd say that!!

She shouldn't have a pass to the final though but if she hadn't she probably wouldn't still be in there and I wouldn't have grown to like the girl

Well rather than using your highly imaginative Julia Roberts analogy again - why not just explain?

Mine too, completely agree

Then the warning served it's purpose then, what's the problem

I keep seeing on the forum about these 15 warnings that Helen had, I can only remember seeing 1 formal warning and one diary room telling off Has she really had 15 warning and I've missed them or is it exaggeration? I'm not trying to be funny, I do really want to know?

It was put up on the website I believe - it wasn't shown on the HLs and isn't some made-up bollocks from a Helen detractor

You should be able to search for the thread or post?

Thanks for that, I will certainly have a butchers!

Ha ha. Thank you. I was gonna go for Deuce Bigalo; Male Gigalo, but thought it might be a bit heavy going for a Friday night.

Can I explain another time please Ms Bunions. My brain is tired. I also promise I will mix up my 'prostitute made good' analogies too. Deal?

Ha, come on, you know I like neigh, love a a high horse. I'm just shooting the breeze too Bunsie (can I call you Bunsie?).

(♪, ♫) Duppy know ah who fi frighten mek dem try
Jungle jesus strike dem with lightning you have a problem
Talk direct to me, shell down di place if yuh waan step to me yeah
Wha happen to dem

Here's a thought to conjure with, inspired by something that nice looking man on BBBOTS said last night (that's Thursday BTW). He said something to the effect that people don't really change it is just that the mask falls off.

We hear time and time again it said of HM's, after a couple of weeks, that their true colours have come out. Helen started as very nasty and got better. So why can't it be the same for Helen and that her true colours came out.

Or to use the phrase of the handsome man on BBBOTS maybe nasty Helen was the mask and nice Helen is the true colours. Why in her case is it assumed that Helen put on the mask part way through the series at the point when others are believed to be dropping the mask..

Just a thought.

Still is.