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Helen has NOT been on a journey
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yhtrownu
02-08-2014
Originally Posted by AOTB:
“I find it incredible that people think that's the reason why others may think she might deserve even a modicum of credit.

Opinions eh?”

It's like praising a muzzled tiger for not biting you.
Marakaer
02-08-2014
Helen's 'Journey' has been simple:

- Bully her way to alpha female and top dog when in a busy, full house

- Ride the security of her finalist pass through the early weeks doing and saying what she wants

- As the group dwindles and her intimidation and influence in the house solidifies, she gradually has less NEED to be so vile and aggressive.

She's the exact same person as on Day 1, just the circumstances around her keeping her on her uncontested golden throne have become far less turbulent.
bulldog rosie
02-08-2014
Originally Posted by LuverlyAJ:
“Ha, don't apologise, your post is very good.
It's just that some people seem to be limited to 140 characters ”

That's one way of putting it......... but sometimes, or in fact always, people should be forced on pain of death to remain within 140 characters or risk boring the tits of everyone .
AOTB
02-08-2014
Originally Posted by yhtrownu:
“It's like praising a muzzled tiger for not biting you.”

What about the claws! That stripey tail could give you a healthy thud with a well aimed swish to the chops too!
Sun Tzu.
02-08-2014
Absolutely fantastic post. Helen has NOT change and I feel sad for anyone who thinks she has. Helen is arguably the most horrible housemate of all time.
AOTB
02-08-2014
Originally Posted by Sun Tzu.:
“Absolutely fantastic post. Helen has NOT change and I feel sad for anyone who thinks she has. Helen is arguably the most horrible housemate of all time.”

I feel sad for anyone who thinks the monster that many see her as, based on an edited reality tv show, is actually the sum of her parts as a person.

As for the most horrible house-mate of all time, she's not even the most horrible in her own series.

#opinions
geppsdood
02-08-2014
Originally Posted by iMatt_101:
“I'm getting sick to death of seeing everyone claiming she's changed and what a great person she is. The whole BOTS show are praising her tonight. Let's go back to reality here. Do you all remember what she was like on the first few weeks? Let's just recall some past events

-Made Chris feel uncomfortable on his first night in the house, saying she hated him and that he was disrupting a family just because he made a joke about fake people

-Immediately targeted Jale having not spoken to her at all (from our awareness), calling her a slug (based on her appearance we can presume, and which she carried on calling her for weeks) and spreading around to housemates that she rolled her eyes at Pauline, which seemed to be a misunderstanding anyway

-Constantly sat in the garden with her group, smoking, drinking heavily, talking about sex a lot, and ostracizing and intimidating anyone that refused to do the same. Certain housemates were forced to be quiet and lonely for the first two weeks just because they refused to do what she wanted to do

-Used the term 'gay' to criticize something, I'm sure we're all guilty of this but she did this knowing there were gays inside the house and several gay viewers/LGBT rights supporters

-Made Jale completely lonely at the beginning, constantly making digs at her and making her an outcast despite the fact she made no effort to get to know her and Jale did nothing to her

-Did the same to Christopher just because he got along with everyone and she considered that stirring, therefore making him a target and labelling him a 'wasp'

-When somebody dared to criticize her behavior - aka ostracizing people for not joining in with her behavior - she'd be completely awful towards them. Some examples include attacking Danielle's appearance/weight, Danielle's Catholicism, and launching a drunken foul mouthed rant against Matthew, personally attacking him on every level, JUST because he refused to get involved with a rather sexual game of truth or dare

Do you all remember this Helen yeah? Now, you all reckon she's 'changed' and gone on a 'journey'? The dictionary definition of change is 'make or become different'.

How different exactly has Helen 'become'?
We still constantly see her bitching about people, being foul mouthed about them, sat in a circle with her crew smoking/drinking/bitching/discussing sex and she still gets very aggressive with anyone that dares to criticize her behavior

'Changing' would be realizing how awful she has been, how nasty, taking responsibility for her actions, apologizing to people.

Let's get something straight here, she has not apologized for ONE bloody thing she has done in the house. It doesn't even need to be a flat out 'I'm sorry' but she has never even shown the slightest bit of remorse.

Sure, she has argued less, but let's take a look why?

-She has had several warnings from BB, so many that some couldn't even be shown to us. On the most recent warning following her violent rant to Matthew, she was told she'd be chucked out. Does that not say it all?

-There was a huge backlash against her behavior. She was chanted to hell on week 2, she was criticized by several HM's, notably a big confrontation with Toya

-The HM's she mainly had issues with were Matthew, Danielle, Ashleigh, Jale, Chris, Christopher and Toya. Matthew and Toya got evicted, Danielle kept her distance before her eviction, Christopher is keeping his distance right now, Jale she was forced to make up with because of the backlash, Ashleigh she only started being friends with due to the public reaction, and Chris had to turn up her backside.

So rather than the fact she stopped arguing, maybe the HM's stopped arguing with her?

If a HM criticized Helen the way they did in the beginning she'd be sure to act the same (maybe a bit tamer as she'd get chucked out), but they haven't because everyone has kept their distance because they're scared. Nobody has gone against her like they did in the beginning, so THAT'S why she's ranting and raving less, not because she's changed. And when a HM has dared to go against her in the slightest she HAS ranted and raved

Her aggressive reaction to Christopher not choosing her for the Christmas task?
Her nasty reaction after hearing Ashleigh's bitching?
Ranting at the BB Focus people?

It's not that she has calmed down, it's that she no longer has anyone to go against

Helen is the same nasty bitch she was in the beginning and she has not gone on the journey you'd all love her to have gone through. I think some of you need to re enter reality if you actually think she's changed for the better.”

Great post OP. I'm behind you "a million percent"
Muffintop
02-08-2014
Brilliant post OP.....If she is on a journey she needs to be on 1 for many years to prove she has changed not a few weeks as we are led to believe imo...
Sun Tzu.
02-08-2014
Originally Posted by AOTB:
“I feel sad for anyone who thinks the monster that many see her as, based on an edited reality tv show, is actually the sum of her parts as a person.

As for the most horrible house-mate of all time, she's not even the most horrible in her own series.

#opinions”

No one comes close to how nasty she was earlier in the series. Not seen anything from anyone which touches that on this series.
lee1976
02-08-2014
I don't think Helen has been on a journey, and I don't think she has permanently changed her character, simply modified her behaviour for the various reason already quoted by other FM's.

However...... I do fully understand why people wish to believe so and why many are now warming to her, myself included. Her pass to the final ( regardless of its merits) has allowed Us to see far more of Helen than we would have otherwise (undoubtedly she would have been out in first week or 2). That extra time( no football pun intended ) has given viewers the time and thought to question why Helen is the way she is. She has shown a soft side, and definitely shown loyalty and passion amongst other admirable qualities, none of which detracts from the fact that she is ultimately a bitch. But as we know a little of her past ( the Rooney affair, her past profession,her upbringing etc) many viewers can see why she has become as she has, and whilst I will never see her behaviour as excusable, I can find it understandable.

I feel like if Helen did gain some public sympathy/ acceptance for her softer side but realised that it was qualified by never excusing her aggressive/bitchy behaviour, then she could well take the first step in addressing her character flaws.

I genuinely feel like Helen is her own harshest critic, and whilst she instinctively lashes out at anyone who criticises or disagrees with her, her first step is forgiving herself and understanding herself a bit better. If she could do that, she may well be on the road to her journey.
Transcendental
02-08-2014
Great post OP.

I remember when Helen started the rumour that Ashleigh fancied Steven. It’s common knowledge that Ashleigh has a boyfriend. It could have caused Ashleigh problems inside and outside the Big Brother house.

It’s as if Helen’s world is empty unless she’s got a hate campaign going against someone. I bet she has new targets lined up before she’s even finished with the old ones.
bunnyinthebox
02-08-2014
I'm not going to bother to go through the OPs points in point by point detail because much of his synopsis of the early weeks is correct. However, there are 2 points I take issue with.

1) Helen has apologized.

2) Re the Mathew row, in my view he instigated that confrontation on purpose to spoil the groups fun (it was the noght after the pool party that nearly everyone had been getting along) and Mathew did not like the fact that Jale was now joining in with Helen and the rest of them, and it was the question to Jale and the fact that she was happy to respond that triggered his unnecessary outburst. No one was forcing him to take part in the game, if he didnt like it he could have just left them to it, but no, he had to make his holier than thou comment and he knew damn wel what he was doing.

If the OP and all who agree do not want to think Helen can change, thats their right, but I find it sad that folk don't want to try and see some good in her. I would much rather hope and believe she has changed even if I'm wrong, than take the other hard line unforgiving view.
Sarahmonial2
02-08-2014
Originally Posted by Sun Tzu.:
“Absolutely fantastic post. Helen has NOT change and I feel sad for anyone who thinks she has. Helen is arguably the most horrible housemate of all time.”

Agreed, and definitely NOT been on a journey.
Paace
02-08-2014
Great post OP and I agree with every word . Have some really got such short memories .
BillyBoy7
02-08-2014
Excellent post OP.
But a lot of the fickle public are easily swayed by BB production team's editing.

If further proof were needed that she's someone to be careful of, Steven wants her to win. ... That says it all.
ShadowTillNow
02-08-2014
I don't think Helen will change, and she really has been quite mean throughout the series.

The only reason why I do kind of "like" her now though, is because she hasn't been oblivious to her faults and has acknowledged them on multiple occasions. It's a big change of pace compared to the likes of Pauline, Steven, and Toya, who could not for any reason see anything they did as negative. They were justified and in the right at all times. Helen has some level of self-awareness at the very least. The not-self-aware HM is always my least enjoyable type of HM without a doubt.

That said, and while I don't like watching her be truly mean to others - especially those who lack the ability to stand up to her - sometimes I find her entertaining for being so impossibly explosive, crude, and vulgar. I just can't help it and may require medication.

Tonight for example, watching the discussion thing on the screen... "Fu¢k off YOU! You Knob!" .... A truly hideous thing to say, but I still found it worthy of an LOL just for its extreme nature. It's just so... Helen. There's no one who can deliver a put-down with so much vile bile.
GazzaBB
02-08-2014
It probably sounds horrible, but I have described something as gay (accidentally, of course) to a gay person's face in a one to one conversation. It's not like I wanted to offend him or actually hold any ill will towards homosexuals, it just happens to be a part of most teenagers vocabulary. And whilst I understand why gays would be offended by it, I would like to think they'd understand the contrary and not judge the person who said it negatively unless they persist.

That said, Helen is a very spiteful, nasty and evil woman. She's like a walking game of Smack-A-Mole.. Anyone who tries to stand up on their own she smashes down until everyone lies low and conforms to her opinion.
Sunnydays
02-08-2014
I agree, she has not been on a journey OP..........that attitude is still there, only tempered by the many warnings she has been given...... all the edits and BBOTS praising of Helen's revelation does not wash with me........
Sasparella
02-08-2014
Originally Posted by AOTB:
“I feel sad for anyone who thinks the monster that many see her as, based on an edited reality tv show, is actually the sum of her parts as a person.

As for the most horrible house-mate of all time, she's not even the most horrible in her own series.

#opinions”

Originally Posted by lee1976:
“I don't think Helen has been on a journey, and I don't think she has permanently changed her character, simply modified her behaviour for the various reason already quoted by other FM's.

However...... I do fully understand why people wish to believe so and why many are now warming to her, myself included. Her pass to the final ( regardless of its merits) has allowed Us to see far more of Helen than we would have otherwise (undoubtedly she would have been out in first week or 2). That extra time( no football pun intended ) has given viewers the time and thought to question why Helen is the way she is. She has shown a soft side, and definitely shown loyalty and passion amongst other admirable qualities, none of which detracts from the fact that she is ultimately a bitch. But as we know a little of her past ( the Rooney affair, her past profession,her upbringing etc) many viewers can see why she has become as she has, and whilst I will never see her behaviour as excusable, I can find it understandable.

I feel like if Helen did gain some public sympathy/ acceptance for her softer side but realised that it was qualified by never excusing her aggressive/bitchy behaviour, then she could well take the first step in addressing her character flaws.

I genuinely feel like Helen is her own harshest critic, and whilst she instinctively lashes out at anyone who criticises or disagrees with her, her first step is forgiving herself and understanding herself a bit better. If she could do that, she may well be on the road to her journey.”

Originally Posted by bunnyinthebox:
“I'm not going to bother to go through the OPs points in point by point detail because much of his synopsis of the early weeks is correct. However, there are 2 points I take issue with.

1) Helen has apologized.

2) Re the Mathew row, in my view he instigated that confrontation on purpose to spoil the groups fun (it was the noght after the pool party that nearly everyone had been getting along) and Mathew did not like the fact that Jale was now joining in with Helen and the rest of them, and it was the question to Jale and the fact that she was happy to respond that triggered his unnecessary outburst. No one was forcing him to take part in the game, if he didnt like it he could have just left them to it, but no, he had to make his holier than thou comment and he knew damn wel what he was doing.

If the OP and all who agree do not want to think Helen can change, thats their right, but I find it sad that folk don't want to try and see some good in her. I would much rather hope and believe she has changed even if I'm wrong, than take the other hard line unforgiving view.”

Three posts from grown ups who can think for themselves and can actually see beyond "the storyline". Kudos to all three of you.
Braemar
02-08-2014
Originally Posted by iMatt_101:
“I'm getting sick to death of seeing everyone claiming she's changed and what a great person she is. The whole BOTS show are praising her tonight. Let's go back to reality here. Do you all remember what she was like on the first few weeks? Let's just recall some past events

.”

I hope you will forgive me OP for condensing your thoughtful presentation to the opening paragraph.

I agree with everything you have said.

As the show winds down...a miraculous personality makeover occurs? I think not.

Enough plonkers on BBBots seem to be buying it....i am not.


We all have had struggles in our lives...we lose people, jobs, family. Tragedies and hard times are some of the things many people have to contend with.

The most difficult life is not license to treat people like dirt.


And for those claiming there has been a wonderful change...When exactly did it happen between day 30 and day 31? (im just pulling random days out of my head because at the end of the day...that's how fast this change seem to go down)
pope_tart
02-08-2014
Originally Posted by iMatt_101:
“
It's not that she has calmed down, it's that she no longer has anyone to go against
.”

That sums it up nicely.

Also you can see she hasn't changed by her "bunch of bast**ds" type statements towards the public whenever she gets any criticism from them. They are the only enemy left that haven't fallen into line.
isoveli
02-08-2014
Originally Posted by gary1234:
“Zoe kept on about the fact that she has loads of stories. Helen has just as many but a High Court Judge has stopped her telling them”

Hilarious! This really made me laugh!
Grandmother
02-08-2014
Originally Posted by Marakaer:
“Helen's 'Journey' has been simple:

- Bully her way to alpha female and top dog when in a busy, full house

- Ride the security of her finalist pass through the early weeks doing and saying what she wants

- As the group dwindles and her intimidation and influence in the house solidifies, she gradually has less NEED to be so vile and aggressive.

She's the exact same person as on Day 1, just the circumstances around her keeping her on her uncontested golden throne have become far less turbulent.”

I disagree. Helen is more tolerable to watch than she was; if Pauline or Toya had got a pass to the final, would the same be sayable about them? The power would have gone to their heads, in a way that it hasn't done for Helen.
Pitman
02-08-2014
she's not changed, everyone is just used to her abusive ways now, calling someone a "fat knobhead" or asking if someone "stinks of piss" is now not even seen as an issue, it's just how Helen is and everyone accepts it
Sasparella
02-08-2014
Originally Posted by Grandmother:
“I disagree. Helen is more tolerable to watch than she was; if Pauline or Toya had got a pass to the final, would the same be sayable about them? The power would have gone to their heads, in a way that it hasn't done for Helen.”

Well said Grandmother.
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