I don't think he is sly. But that's just my opinion to which I am entitled, I believe. In that argument Helen was keen to make her opinions known....fair point. But yet again, she will not tolerate anyone else who has a different opinion to her, and that is why I don't like her.

She never said she had no friends. She said she doesn't have many. But those she does have, who have appeared on BOTS, all say she is a very loyal person.

This^^^
Before anyone jumps on me for supporting nasty people, let me explain that I don't like or support nasty people, but I'd rather be friends with someone who will tell me how it is and where I stand than people who will be nice to my face while secretly hating me and slagging me off around others

Well obviously people hear things differently.

No, in Helen's case people hear what they want to hear.

You read it from an FM that really dislikes Helen. I haven't heard her say this, and from all accounts her son is being looked after by his grandmother while she's in the house, so that kind of rubbishes that theory, also it's been said in the papers that they eventually made up. She has also had quite a few friends appear on BBOTS and on the phone and a friend wrote her letter from home too. All of her friends that have appeared have said that she's really loyal to her friends, as did her workers from her salon. All the housemates put her down as being the most loyal HM too.

But she doesn't bitch or two faced she says things to peoples faces. Like you know when she was telling everyone Christopher can't be trusted whenever he walked out the room.

I think even Ash seems to be seeing aspects of her that he isn't too keen on.

I definitely think he's been distancing himself from her on some levels recently.

Their body language seems considerably cooler together of- late.

Yes you're very right there.

You think so ? He certainly wasn't keen on her having her own bed, he got her back into his before her head had even touched the pillow on her new bed. He also stuck up for her against Winston on tonight's show.

agree ive heard more spitefal ugly comments on here about helen than anything helen has said

I think more likely in Helen's case some people choose to have selective hearing.

She cracks me up with that stuff. When the focus group accused her of being malicious and aggressive, she shouted at them, "No, I'm not, you f*cking knobs!"

She is the only one I find amusing to watch, her comic timing is spot on, and she is straight and uncomplicated. And honest.
If she left the show there would be nobody of any substance left, so she has to stay as long as possible.

LOL at the irony in the vitriol aimed at Helen. Some members on here are as bad, if not worse than what Helen has displayed in the house.

I didn't say you wasn't

As for Helen not tolerating others opinions ,she has said herself that this is one of her biggest faults ,and one she's hoping she'll be able to Change

I think supporters of Helen might think that.

Originally he suggested they go in separate beds. I'm afraid it's kinda a physical comfort thing now.

His 'support' for her was somewhat half-hearted and his back was turned to her in the bed.

Previously his gaze used to be adoring to her. That seems to be absent since he befriended Ashleigh and Zoe.

It's a friends with benefits relationship, and even then he couldn't be assed recently.

You may think that - I don't.

Since I'm not a Helen supporter I wouldn't know. You don't have to support an HM to be fair and balanced and see the good and bad. Like it or not, Helen does have good qualities and it has been said about her, both on the show and on BOTS that she is loyal and she has never said she has no friends.

I agree with you, atleast you know where you stand with her unlike the others always 2 faced bitching.

Applauds. Excellent point.

I wish more people would start to realise this.

Doesn't make it so because it's been said by a few people.

You have your opinion and that's fine with me ...mine remains the same re Helen.

Well that's not true as he has challenged her in the past and has never been swayed by her hence her trying to get him nominated by her little gang ..but that was a huge fail.

Winston has his own mind and has never been a Helen 'suck up' or an 'egg shell' walker... imo.