No it's not one time, when Christopher was talking to Mark about it he said, she's always doing it, and not just to him either.

It really has been a huge mistake.
Helen was so nasty in the first few weeks that it's a hard to forget even though she has been OK since.

If you had actually bothered to listen to that conversation between Helen and Ash, they were having a chat about not having sex in the house and Helen said to him wtte that when she has watched BB in the past and someone has had some form of sex on it, then she used to think to herself, what an effing tramp, then she said but now I feel a bit bad saying that because THEY (gesturing at Steve and Kim) have done it. She didn't actually call Kimberley a tramp at all, which is why she said she'd never said that. BB just took part of that conversation, not all of it, and it was purely to try and make trouble between Helen and Kimberley. That didn't work, but it sure fooled a lot of viewers that seemingly didn't bother to watch the actual footage of the whole convo.

She must have read my post, she detailed everything I said near enough.

Just coincidence, no conspiracy lol.

Actually, she said Winston was entitled to his opinion and she was entitled to hers. How is that not tolerating someone else's opinion?

Yes. Thank goodness someone has finally explained that point. People on here constantly complain about Helen getting "good edits", but that one was spiteful and malicious towards her and appeared to make her say the exact opposite of what she was actually saying.

Another thing the anti-Helen baying mob always ignore is that two of her original famous rows were about things a lot of us would have objected to. Danielle saying that all the other women in the house were slags, and Matthew saying that the game they were playing wasn't good enough for the almighty him. And Danielle and Matthew were "vile" in how they responded.

If I'd been there instead of Helen, the result for those two would've been the same.

Danielle was just very sanctimonious to be honest. Putting herself above everyone else based on her values, which while they were admirable, gives no one the right to judge others. Helen definitely does not have the same values, but she does value loyalty and honesty and in my honest opinion, I would choose loyalty and honesty as more admirable qualities any day.

Calling people who disagree with your point of view "the baying mob" is not,imo, the way to go to have a discussion.

Oh and I've seen a lot of vitrol levelled at other hm's from people on this forum, in this post even. How's that for irony

There is always a small baying mob crew in ALL fan bases, is that so hard to see ?

I don't agree.

I wouldn't say Helen values honesty per se ...she constantly spouts that she is honest and upfront but it's only if it suits her agenda and more often than not it is done in a cruel and harsh way. She also doesn't like when others are honest with her if it is pointing out she is in the wrong.

As for loyalty the only person she hasn't turned on or bitched about in her gang is Ash. This is where the 'loyal' tag stems from and is most referred to and imo can only be referred to.

However Ashleigh hasn't bitched about Chris...and vice versa ... either so therefore she can also be labelled 'loyal' too if that's is how loyalty is being judged here. Again Mark can also claim that tag as he is also loyal to Helen... just a few examples of how Helens loyalty tag can be attached to other hms. However Helen is the one who spouts ... shouts it the loudest so the hms automaically chose her imo.

Or is there some other reason she is deemed 'loyal' as it has eluded me so far.

Then maybe you're wearing blinkers

Then maybe you're wrong.

I don't think so, every single fan base has it's rabid supporters, it's a fact of life. Anyway, I'm off to work now, so I won't be available til later this afternoon for a "yes there are, no there aren't" disgreement

Well that's your opinion ..I don't happen to agree.

Bye!!!!!!!!

What worries me is that I read threads about Helen first on here, does this mean she's the most interesting housemate to me? Gawd.

I was impressed by the way she took all the insults yesterday too.

Which sounds, and looks like she's wearing a gum shield. Price you pay for having veneers I suppose.

I might have been impressed if she wasn't told not to get aggressive/angry beforehand... but then we already know how the 'real' Helen reacts to negative comments in the focus group last week. BB also threw in a postive comment for her too so that kind of contradicts the point of the task and appeases Helen at the same time.

Agree and disagree with parts of your post, but unfortunately that dratted thing called life is calling and I have to get to work, so I'll reply in more detail later

Have a good day everyone and play nice

Was too late to edit my other post ....

There is no "yes there are, no there aren't" disgreement" as far as I am concerned...you have your opinion and I have mine....end of.

Was Chris said shes called him a dick yes. I'm sure "always" doing it would of been shown more.

Yes , some good points in your post.

All this praise for Helen and her loyalty.

She is loyal to Ash who is a complete arse and Mark who blatantly lies...what a gal.