Just for that reason, I would like Chris to win.

On tonight's show they seemed to all agree that Winston and Mark have got it sewn up - and one of those two is the winner. I'd like to see Christopher win just to wipe the smile off their faces. OK, he's a wet lettuce with no backbone and keeps apologising to Mark after Mark's been rude to him, but at least he appears to have had no game plan or delusions of winning.

jale was my winner you know your not allowed to say the H word on here id love it if she won just to see the fall out on here lol

your brave lol but i agree

Well at least it wasn't anything more painful than that

I think we can all agree if Helen hadn't had a pass to the final she would have been evicted long ago. But for me, in a way, I'm actually glad she was given a pass because it's allowed us to see a different side of Helen coming through.

I definitely agree she is aggressive, but to be honest, I think the word bullying gets thrown around too easily. She has many dislikeable qualities but as time has gone on she's shown likeable qualities too.

I think more than anything I understand where Helen is coming from. By all accounts she's had a pretty rough life and has done things she's not proud of. There will always be stigma attached to being an escort and I think some of the dislike towards Helen is based on her past career choice. I think there's something to admire about her though. She pulled herself up from rock bottom, did what she felt she had to at the time in order to build up a better life for herself. Maybe not ideal choices, but choices she made all the same.

She does have scars from her past. She's very defensive, too defensive and she lashes out far too easily if she feels attacked so tries to assert herself instantly to show "you're not going to hurt me". No it's not ideal, but it is understandable.

No one sees Helen as a victim, but what's most interesting is that Helen herself doesn't see herself as a victim and I have a great deal of respect for that. She's very honest about her bad qualities and what makes her such a disliked person, but she's also been honest about wanting to grow and change. I believe her when she says if she can come out the house and have learned not to be so aggressive, she'll feel she's learned something.

Now I don't particularly like her, but the more I see her, the less I find I dislike her and I wouldn't object to seeing her win.

I personally feel the way you do about Ashleigh. Not that she's aggressive or ruined the series, but that she's not a deserving winner. She did gain a following after standing up to Helen. Before that she was very disliked which I think did have something to do with Danielle who I very much disliked. And since Helen is so disliked, Ashleigh standing up to her was very much appreciated. However setting that aside, I just feel Ashleigh is a petulant little brat. A spoilt princess type who is letting the attention from the public go to her head.

Between the two I think Ashleigh would win purely because she is liked more by the public, but Helen deserves it more because like or dislike her, she's been the most consistent and genuine HM who has shown the biggest change if you like.

You had me until the BIB. There was a post earlier about myths that have grown up around Ashleigh. I think the "letting the attention from the public go to her head" part is very unfair and is the type of thing someone would believe just because a housemate is popular. Ashleigh has shown no indication of her popularity "going to her head" but I see her as being very gracious in victory. Contrast her with Winston holding up his card believing that all 5 housemates would believe he would win (i.e. he believes the hype and thinks he will win). Anyway---just my opinion.

As to Helen---I can't disagree with anything here except to comment that of course Helen has shown "the biggest change" because she's had 15 warnings from BB and all kinds of time and luxury to change. I don't see, with her having the free pass to the final, how that makes her anyone special because she's had ample time to re-invent herself under the luxury of no stress whatsoever---an unfair advantage over all the other housemates and especially housemates like Chris, Christopher and Ashleigh who have gone through hell and high water and they are still standing. No--Helen does not deserve to win----again just my opinion.

I have not got a fav this year , they are all bad. No clear winner stands out due to the edit.

Last night I noticed the edit for Winston made it clear BB wants him to win. Not once have we seen an edit of Winston doing anything wrong. To me that's strange its human nature to slip up now and again. It would make Winston more human, the edit to me makes him look fake.

Helen well the edit with her is same they had to do with Jade in BB3. If not Helen would have come out to a lynch mob. Still stands a chance of doing so.


Chris has had bad edits , but with the witch hunt by Steven and BB/BBots will the public get behind him like they have other in the past and do the protest vote. The public like control and not see this happen.

Christopher is now getting and edit with everything about him and mark.
Mark the same.


Ashleigh and Pav are fading into the edit also. Both involved in the edit with Chris.

Ash apart from the tasks the edit has put him laying in bed with Helen or on the smoking bench.

Well I can definitely see where you're coming from, but no, not at all

The fact that Ashleigh is popular has no influence on me in any way shape or form. On the contrary, I've supported HMs before in the past who have been very popular. I've also supported HMs that have been less, or haven't at all been popular.

For me, there have been little indications that Ashleigh has let the cheers go to her head, which has been seen to happen to a lot of popular HMs, believing themselves to be above eviction. Now I'm not saying Ashleigh believes that, but she does at times show signs of letting the popularity go to her head, especially when Chris stated she was the "last woman standing". To be fair, no she isn't.

Regarding who you see deserving, the only one I can agree with is Christopher as he's been the most consistently inoffensive one, but having said that he does seem to have taken this being strung along by Mark thing a little too much to heart and seems to be trying to prove a point that no, he's nobody's plaything. Time will tell how that pans out.

Re the BIB: But isn't that the whole point? Many HMs have had warnings before that have prompted them to put a lid on things but not to really try to change. In Helen's case I think those warnings hit home to her and she realised she can't go on as she has and more importantly, she doesn't want to. Neither in the house or outside.

Like I said, no one disputes that without Helen's free pass she would have been out long ago, but in this instance, I'm glad she was given a free pass because as you say, she's been given all sorts of time to change and grow and what I respect about Helen is that she has grown and she does want to change, but changing something as deeply ingrained as a defence mechanism isn't going to happen overnight.

I wouldn't exactly say Helen has had an easy time in the house. She's been accused of a lot of things at not always fairly, so for me, based on seeing another side of her and based on being pretty much a huge focus of the entire series, I do see her as a deserving winner. Maybe not a liked one, but one who does, in the end, when all is said and done and the "journey" (hate that word) she has taken personally, a deserving one

Spot on post, i completely agree with you Sunnydays.
The editing and manipulation this year is off the scale. I voted last week to evict Zoe and was then treated to the most gruesome display of luvvie worship on BOTS, i had to turn it off. I'd vote for Chris to win as a 2 fingers up to the anti-Chris campaign but i've already decided i won't be voting again, i'm not paying for this farce.

For that reason alone chris should win. Oh the joy of chris standing at the top of the stairs, camera switches to Steven, massive tantrum, lying on the floor, kicking his legs up and down and shouting for his mummy, Willis grinding her teeth at her failure to help destroy chris.

I might even vote.

For the first time EVER: NOOOOOO!! Think BB should announce Top 5 then say nobody deserved to Win this year, hard cheese, and the money will Roll Over to the NEXT BB series [which probably won't even happen]. I actually now genuinely HATE [in a non-personal way since this is just their TV personae] all of them!! NONE deserve to win anything--let them walk down the stairs at the end & 'Millionaire' Steven can pay for the fireworks, but these are the leat deserving, entertaining, honest HUMAN HMs EVER!!

let helen win give it to the villain for once

I don't like any of them enough to champion anyone. I do wonder if this is down to the editing though. Most of the time we are just treated to conflict on the highlights shows. It does nothing to endear anyone to us.