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Shooting Stars was the perfect vehicle for Vic & Bob, got higher ratings than any of their sketch shows. I think Hill's surrealness worked in TV Burp, away from that format will 7/8/9m be interested? I have my doubts.
Carrott's Commercial Breakdown wasn't crap. That's nonsense. The follow up series with Rory McGrath, Patrick Kielty, Jimmy Carr and Jo Brand were crap. It should have been kept as occasional specials with Carrott that sometimes hit 13m Tarrant On TV was just a lesser version of Clive James On Television that worked because of James's wit. Tarrant On TV and Floyd On TV never reached that level of brilliance. For Harry Hill to be mainstream his humour needs to be more mainstream, but when it is it loses the essence that makes Harry Hill great. Surreal doesn't always work in mainstream TV, Look at Monty Python's figures on BBC1 as an example. Dress it up in a format that is accessible and uses popular targets and it can get ratings like with The Goodies. The points I'm making about Commercial Breakdown and Tarrant on TV is that you have to give the star total credit for the success of this kind of show. Harry Hill has been on primetime ITV for a decade with a show he was totally responsible for. I'm pretty sure he knows what appeals to a primetime audience, it wasn't some kind of fluke. It he's offered a slot on mainstream BBC1 - or indeed has come up himself with something that would work on primetime BBC1 - he's not daft, he'll know exactly the kind of audience he's playing to. With all respect, he doesn't need people to tell him that. I don't know why you think Harry Hill on BBC1 would be any kind of risk, I think it's a very exciting signing for BBC1 and I think he'll be great there. On all his shows he's worked alongside people like Little and Large, Barry Cryer and so on, and Robin Nash directed his C4 show because he specifically wanted someone with experience of directing the old school light entertainment shows. I also think the mainstream BBC1 audience is far more willing to embrace something out of the ordinary than you're giving them credit for. Certainly more now too than when Python or Ben Elton (nearly 25 years ago now, a totally different generation so a pointless comparison really) were about. Having said all this, mind, in 2001 I thought Lee Evans was a brilliant signing for BBC1 and his show was an enormous flop. |
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New Tricks did launch poorly last night by its own standards, but then you see some of the figures surrounding it.... Someone mentioned earlier that New Tricks usually beats EastEnders to win top rating of the night, but New Tricks was only a few 100k behind it last night!
That EastEnders rating is shockingly bad. It can't even hit a 6 million overnight on a Monday now and it's not even hitting a 30% share either! Very poor. Likewise, Corrie isn't hitting 7 million which is bad by its own standards, though the 35% share for the first episode isn't too bad. Maybe New Tricks will add an extraordinary timeshift to make up for the poor number last night. Silent Witness was adding an impressive 2 million timeshift to its figures earlier in the year, and the same could happen to New Tricks. 2 million added on would give it a respectable 7.7m official rating. |
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Exactly. It's still a pretty decent rating that only looks so poor when compared to its own standards. As long as it stays consistent I'll be happy.
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Doctor Who will be watched by these people who don't like adverts.
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But the Goodies were always on BBC2, and I don't know why you're mentioning Python on BBC1 given that last happened in 1972, not really an era we can draw many comparisons with to now. The second series wasn't even networked. It was a totally different era.
The points I'm making about Commercial Breakdown and Tarrant on TV is that you have to give the star total credit for the success of this kind of show. Harry Hill has been on primetime ITV for a decade with a show he was totally responsible for. I'm pretty sure he knows what appeals to a primetime audience, it wasn't some kind of fluke. It he's offered a slot on mainstream BBC1 - or indeed has come up himself with something that would work on primetime BBC1 - he's not daft, he'll know exactly the kind of audience he's playing to. With all respect, he doesn't need people to tell him that. I don't know why you think Harry Hill on BBC1 would be any kind of risk, I think it's a very exciting signing for BBC1 and I think he'll be great there. On all his shows he's worked alongside people like Little and Large, Barry Cryer and so on, and Robin Nash directed his C4 show because he specifically wanted someone with experience of directing the old school light entertainment shows. I also think the mainstream BBC1 audience is far more willing to embrace something out of the ordinary than you're giving them credit for. Certainly more now too than when Python or Ben Elton (nearly 25 years ago now, a totally different generation so a pointless comparison really) were about. Having said all this, mind, in 2001 I thought Lee Evans was a brilliant signing for BBC1 and his show was an enormous flop. Carrott's Commercial Breakdown was a hit because of Carrott's humour and delivery in between not just commercials. The versions that followed his never came close to matching his ratings. To dismiss Carrott's Commercial Breakdown as crap is nonsense. My point about Python is the first series was on BBC1 and ratings were low. The audience didn't take to surreal, it's how you dress it up. The Goodies especially from 1975 were getting great ratings on BBC2 as you had surreal humour but in a traditional sitcom narrative. |
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Doctor Who will be watched by these people who don't like adverts.
Sunday 31st August will be fun in here!
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Well, according to the statistics which I have to hand, New Tricks averaged 7million last year in the overnights on tuesdays. About the same as what it got the year before on monday nights [7.2million]. So not really any difference in the figures between the two years, bearing in mind that last year it lost 2 of its key cast members, that was a very good yoy hold for New tricks.
Oh, we will see in a few weeks when the likes of Cilla launches on Itv. New tricks will murder it in the ratings. Im already fed up of that Cilla trailer with Sheridan Smith in it singing that god awful song. And Im sick to death of Sheridan Smith constantly being in Itv dramas, she's overexposed these days. Anyways, Long Lost Family is actually one of Itv's most popular returning midweek brands. Last year LLF was doing 5m, this year it was doing 4.5million, but New tricks damaged it to its WORST EVER rating yesterday. Imagine if a normal Itv drama got 5million viewers in that post Coro Monday night lead-in slot, it will end up launcing to just 4million against New tricks. Then take into account the 20pct+ drops which 90pct of new Itv dramas experience, any drama airing in that MOnday 9pm slot this Autumn against New tricks is indeed pretty much DOA. |
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With X Factor you can pause it, watch from 8pm, whizz through ads and be caught up. The thing is when it was must see people sat through the ads. I think it will do better than last year but Doctor Who with a new Doctor and revamped X Factor will be tough competition for each other.
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Next week could potentially get worse for NT as it's being shown on BBC Scotland at a later time than on BBC One proper. So regardless of whether last night was a fluke, the rating will still be lower.
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New Tricks did launch poorly last night by its own standards, but then you see some of the figures surrounding it.... Someone mentioned earlier that New Tricks usually beats EastEnders to win top rating of the night, but New Tricks was only a few 100k behind it last night!
That EastEnders rating is shockingly bad. It can't even hit a 6 million overnight on a Monday now and it's not even hitting a 30% share either! Very poor. Likewise, Corrie isn't hitting 7 million which is bad by its own standards, though the 35% share for the first episode isn't too bad. Maybe New Tricks will add an extraordinary timeshift to make up for the poor number last night. Silent Witness was adding an impressive 2 million timeshift to its figures earlier in the year, and the same could happen to New Tricks. 2 million added on would give it a respectable 7.7m official rating. Looked back at last year's ratings, Corrie was rating about 8m on the equivalent Monday and last night it rated 7m. So I blame Corrie entirely for NT's drop in audience. ![]()
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The overnights for New Tricks next week will include how many viewers in Scotland watch the referendum debate.
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How's that?
The Referendum debate which is on BBC2 in the rest of the UK is on BBC1 in Scotland between 8.30 and 10.00. Which is why NT is on later in Scotland. So NT's overnights will be NT's ratings everywhere except Scotland plus the Referendum ratings between 9pm and 10pm in Scotland. |
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X Factor, More like 20:30.
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Regarding New Tricks, this is how low it has gone in the officials since 2006 for a new episode
08/10/10 - 7.24m (29.0%) 24/04/06 - 7.10m (28.3%) 10/09/13 - 6.56m (23.5%)* * note: I'm 99% certain this was displaced in Scotland because the overnight was much higher |
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That's a rather low start for New Tricks and gives some hope to itv that drama might not do awfully in that slot. However, it's only one rating and definitely too soon to draw any big conclusions about NT. We'll see where it goes next week and the week after. But there will certainly be some anxious people next Tuesday morning at 9.30am. Quote:
I know I am a pain for which I apologise profusely but does anyone have a breakdown for CBB?
Just curious to know how the audience developed across its lengthy timeslot. With a 2105 start behind other major channels it must have started very low. Was it closer to last year's launch in the 10PM hour? 1.96m 8.4% 2.06m 8.9% 2.21m 9.5% 2.43m 12.8% 2.39m 13.7% 2.47m 15.8% 2.47m 17.7% 2.13m 18.4% 1.10m 11.7% 0.82m 10.0% 0.76m 10.8% 0.62m 10.8% 0.42m 8.9% 0.35m 9.0% 0.33m 10.0% 0.27m 9.8% Quote:
I think audiences have gotten used to doing other things in the evening, after the dismal summer TV we have had.
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Just looking back to 2012 when The X Factor had a lead in and out from Red or Black?. And what an almighty failure that was. It flopped and pulled XF down with it. It was so dire (RorB) that I recoded XF to watch later.
Red or Black was itself a failure, as expectations were a lot higher, but XF 2012 had its own problems which were nothing to do with its lead ins or outs. Itv haven't done anything decent in years in those slots. ROB was a rare flicker of ambition which didn't pay off in the end. Quote:
If I were ITV, I would keep well clear of any other Cowell vehicle. Other than XF UK and BGT he doesn't have a very good success rate.
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The Chase is million times better lead in to XF than Red or Black?. I assume Jonathan Ross will be after Xf?
Given that I can't see Celebrity Chase or Jonathan Ross doing much more than 3.3m, I don't imagine this is the case. Especially as CC will have less audience crossover with XF than Red or Black. It's more cost effective by a mile though! It's just the usual from itv though. It's X Factor (or BGT) in a sea of nothing. And XF won't just be trying to jump start Saturday nights for itv, it'll be trying to start the whole channel again. It's very well showing a promo a lot but doesn't count for much if nobody is around to watch it. It might have been smart to buy some time on Channel 4 and E4 to widen the reach, particularly among the younger audiences. It wouldn't surprise me if the 16-34 weekly reach of itv is below 50% at the moment. |
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Cos that's how BARB work. The quickest way to calculate the overnights is to work out how many people watch such-and-such a channel at such-and-such time and then sort out regional variations when they've got a bit more time.
The Referendum debate which is on BBC2 in the rest of the UK is on BBC1 in Scotland between 8.30 and 10.00. Which is why NT is on later in Scotland. So NT's overnights will be NT's ratings everywhere except Scotland plus the Referendum ratings between 9pm and 10pm in Scotland. |
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Wow at New Tricks being down so much. It wasn't exactly the best launch episode though.
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Well I'm not surprised about the New Tricks rating at all. It was a very competitive night, the soaps are down massively on last year, the promotion was that great and as ever more and more people are moving towards time shifted viewing.
It's poor yes but not a surprise at all. I expect it will timeshift close if not over 7m. Doc Martin had exactly the same problem last year. Edit. Also remember their was football on Sky last night as well. It wasn't a massive game but enough to dent things. |
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Through The Keyhole is going to be on after X Factor not Jonathan Ross. That did alright last year so it's not all bad. I can see Celebrity Chase doing better than 3.3m. With no Strictly 4-4.5m seems achievable.
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Just saw the soap ratings. EastEnders can't get 6m at 8pm. That is pitiful!
![]() I'd rather be just under 7m with Corrie than just under 6m with EastEnders. |
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Just saw the soap ratings. EastEnders can't get 6m at 8pm. That is pitiful!
![]() I'd rather be just under 7m with Corrie than just under 6m with EastEnders.
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That's a rather low start for New Tricks and gives some hope to itv that drama might not do awfully in that slot. However, it's only one rating and definitely too soon to draw any big conclusions about NT. We'll see where it goes next week and the week after. But there will certainly be some anxious people next Tuesday morning at 9.30am.
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Next week could potentially get worse for NT as it's being shown on BBC Scotland at a later time than on BBC One proper. So regardless of whether last night was a fluke, the rating will still be lower.
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Too soon to draw big conclusions is exactly right although it has not stopped a constant stream of exactly that on here all day.
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Anyone seen a figure for the Eamonn Holmes ITV quiz Gift Wrapped ? His foray into US TV in 2006 with The Rich List had the unique distinction of being pulled after one episode.
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Anyone seen a figure for the Eamonn Holmes ITV quiz Gift Wrapped ? His foray into US TV in 2006 with The Rich List had the unique distinction of being pulled after one episode.
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