Tape-checked timings from Overnights.tv:

19:05-20:00 - The Chase Celebrity Special (to be precise, 19:03-19:58)
...... [Downton trailer - cannot find the timing]
20:05-21:25 - The X Factor (20:05-21:24)
21:25-22:30 - Through the Keyhole (21:25-22:29)

Samuel, where did you get yours from pls?

In my opinion, anyone is free to have an opinion. What isn't acceptable is fabrication of figures.

That 15-min breakdown I posted is legitimate. It is from Gallifrey Base.

Only mentally counting but I think Samuel's figures look accurate - the '21.15' slot stated by Samuel would have been dragged down by the 9.25 - 9.30 period, not reported by D.M.N.

I was going to ask why Tumble wasn't pulled back to 6pm, allowing Who to finish before The X Factor, started but the breakdown says it all - once it finished, The X Factor grew by 1m viewers post ad break. Who itself is more dependent on timeshift than any other show so, while disappointing written down in black and white, there's no suggestion there's reason to panic.

Decent return for The X Factor. It now needs to sustain momentum which won't be easy. Yesterday was a good opening episode in terms of showing off the panel and light-hearted moments but now the show needs some talent. The lack of it hurt Britain's Got Talent this year and will do the same to The X Factor unless they can unearth someone from somewhere.

Fair enough. Apologies.

Just to be clear, I wasn't accusing anyone of fabricating figures, just agreeing there was a massive difference between the two numbers.

X Factor's highest launch rating since 2011 and the best rating for any Saturday episode since that series as well. If they'd come back with the same panel as last year it would have been far lower but for PR it had to be up and it was. Lets see what it can go into the live shows with.

Poor for Doctor Who and dire for the biggest new entertainment format to herald in a new era at BBC1 light ent.


Tough Sunday morning, eh?

Makes you think mind, just imagine what the rating would have been if ITV weren't having their weekly reach crisis....

Yes, official confirmation of the return of The Generation Game (with or without Miranda) probably can't come quick enough!

And likewise the 20:00-20:15 period in the non-tape-checked breakdown was dragged down by 20:00-20:05 (Downton trailer?) which got only 6.38m.

Sorry for a scheduling post but...

Thinking about the inevitable clash when the live shows come around I think ITV should start The X Factor exactly an hour before Strictly Come Dancing finishes and air an ad break as the latter ends to promote the +1 option for those or both want and have the time to watch it from the start. By doing this the non-Strictly audience gets to watch the show at a reasonable time while the clash audience is given an opportunity to see both programmes in their entirety.

ITV has an advantage with plus one at the moment. They really need to start promoting it, especially if BBC One looking much stronger this autumn.

A few morning randoms for you:

Bake Off Extra Slice (BBC One rpt): 1.1m
Weekend (ITV) 184K
ITV News (11.20am): 290k
BBC News (midday): 1.2m

Has it calmed down in here yet?

Good start for X Factor, those that predicted lower figures was it genuinely because you expected it or hoped for it?

I expected Doctor Who to drop. Not just due to the Tumble lead-in but viewers not being interested. Tumble isn't a Don't Scare The Hare level bad show but it is performing badly. No growth, getting less than Pointless before it. BBC1 only have themselves to blame for not swapping the two. Strictly's launch show would have been a great lead-in for Doctor Who.

Good figure for The Chase, Tipping Point has yet to reach this level. Through The Keyhole down on last year.

Not much more to comment on.

Thanks for these. Yikes that rating for Weekend is awful! Put repeats on! Do you have any ratings for Breakfast and GMB last week?

It really has. In the last couple of years it has become really difficult to follow. The 50th anniversary show in particular I was completely baffled by.

But +1 doesn't count does it? So why would ITV want to promote it?

The X Factor was great last night. The talent was slightly underwhelming but it was a good show, and the middle section of bad acts I thought was classic X Factor.

Last night's episode should timeshift to around 11 million.

Looking at last year's officials, I forgot how poor some of those ratings were!

.............there might come a point where the audience for weekend could comfortably fit in the studio

I sense some sarcasm despite the lack of a smiley, but just in case: of course it does count, with the advertising industry, the broadcasting industry, and the great majority of Ratings Thread posters.

He who laughs last laughs longest - as you said yesterday whatever happened today the trajectory is the key thing and that could still go either way.

As for the rest of the night away from the main two shows - the lottery is no real competition for The X Factor while Casualty felt the pinch of competition for the first time since May (minus a couple of football matches). Tumble tumbled as is another flop to be chalked up on the light entertainment board - it's no wonder channels are looking to yesteryear. The Chase did well pulling in the non-Who audience but Strictly will be a completely different proposition. Through the Keyhole struggled and it really needs to hold at that figure throughout it's run; it doesn't have much room to maneuver. Celebrity Big Brother was hurt by the odd time slot but I'm interested at the lack of crossover lead in from The X Factor. The quality of The Xtra Factor just showed what a good job Stephen Mulhern does on More Talent. I can see it declining as the series goes on.

No great movements here, until schools go back.

Here's a few (note ITV incl HD but not +1):

Friday 29th
Breakfast: 1.4m
GMB: 440K

Thurs:
BBC: 1.4m
GMB: 460K

Weds:
BBC: 1.35m
GMB: 440K

For most of does. Though it would be interesting to see how the press would report it if Strictly beat The X Factor excluding +1 but The X Factor won including +1. I guess it would depend on which show is flavour of the month.

Through the Keyholes ratings surprised me, like Off Their Rockers it rated well last year, was well received and has repeated well. So as again like Off Their Rockers I can't work out where the audience has gone for its return?

Good for the Xfactor, not sure how the Xtra Factor compares to last year though. Celebrity Chase doing well opposite Dr Who as well, for me Dr Who was a little boring in places.

It's interesting that several posters say they found DW boring in places. I wonder if several other viewers did too? It would be good to see a breakdown of ratings during its timeslot to see if viewers were wandering away from it.

I loved it, but I can appreciate that other people had issues with it. Perhaps the BBC need to evaluate the situation a bit more and lay down guidelines as to what they expect a DW showrunner to undertake? After all, Moffat or whoever else is in charge, don't own DW. The BBC does. Showrunners are just caretakers of their brand.