Charlotte Moore would have to go some to beat Alan Hart and Jonathan Powell as BBC1 Controllers. They were apocalyptic in their awfulness!

I also think Danny Cohen had only one good year in 2012. 2013's BBC1 schedule was mainly him and after March the channel wasn't anything special. BBC1 hasn't had a Controller with an entertainment background for years, might be what it needs next time.

This is another reason why the BBC needs to start seriously looking at its talent. I'm sure Charlotte Moore is a nice person, but when you get dramas like The Crimson Field getting axed and programmes like the contrived "Scrappers" making the airways, it makes you really despair for how things are now. There clearly is an issue with the wrong people doing the wrong jobs. They need people from a clear, fresh vision to turn things around. Perhaps from overseas if necessary. UK Broadcasting has become a big luvvies club.

I know its subjective but I cannot think of any comedians/personalities that could hold a candle to the great talent that was in Tv from the 60s to the 80s especially on the main channels that would get a mass audience.Maybe Peter Kay could be one,but get the impression he is pretty lazy now.
The majority of comedians now only appeal to the 16-32 range and will never get a mass audience.The fact that a major show like Tumble is fronted by such a non entity that is Ms Jones is evidence of this,it does seem she is the best they have.

Aye, there's the real problem, nothing new or original just derivations of the last successful format. I know it's not "original" but BBC and itv need to look at their history for future success or try something completely different to get out of its rut. Most people aren't going to watch gymnastics let alone celebrities doing gymnastics. Strictly and dancing in ice worked because they had either brand recognition or star power (I'm talking torvill and dean) behind them, tumble had neither.

There is a whole new show there in the making. Jail Break ! Talented prisoners perform in front of a panel and invited audience to see if they are the next big thing. The prize - their freedom

Meanwhile over on BBC Three, the sister show Jail Bait, goes out after the main show and is more of a behind the scenes look at prison life ...... after dark when the lights go out.

Tumble could be improved by making Louis Smith more involved in the performances. His routine last night was the best bit. He's certainly popular enough but having him reduced to a judge under a Romanian lady who nobody outside gymnastics will have heard of is one of its flaws. Its main attraction is Louis Smith but you wouldn't know that by watching it.

Dismal overnight audience. Passable share. But the bigger issue is that it's Strictly-lite. Will it weaken the main show when it launches? That's the biggest danger with launching a me-too show (and one that is 10 years too late if you ask me).

Totally agree that ent shows should be a marriage of presenting talent and format. Even when the format's weak, the talent can bring in an audience.

BBC In-house entertainment is in a dreadful state.

In fact, ent as a genre is in the pits right now. As soon as there's a sniff of a hit show from Israel, broadcasters are falling over themselves to buy it, even when it's abysmal.

Anyway, a few random figures from yesterday:

BBC Breakfast: 1.3m
Weekend (incl HD, NOT incl +1): 128K (and you thought GMB's figures were woeful!)
Tipping Point: (incl HD, not incl +1): 2.7m (15.3%)

Sam and Mark really are wasted on the CBBC channel. They might have put some life into Tumble rather than the awful and charisma free vacuum that is Alex Jones. The BBC need to give Sam and Mark a big light entertainment show.

Well you're title is better than mine! I couldn't post mine for legal reasons!

that didn't seem to affect Great British Bake-Off though.


don't forget The Fall (even though it will get BBC Two ratings).


Dunno about it sounding naff, but it was certainly something that made it easy for the headline writers and anyone with a negative take on the programme. As Sir Humphrey Appleby might have said - "a brave decision"

Talent used to cut their teeth on children's shows and then move into prime time, the lack of Saturday morning kids tv live has created a dearth of talent.

People say that the BBC should come up with original entertainment formats. But tv has been going on for 50+ years and pretty much anything that could've been thought about in terms of an entertainment show has been done. Can someone on here actually come up with a genuinely original idea which has never been done on mainstream tv before that sounds decent and could get a mainstream audience? I bet you cant. Every new entertainment show we get inevitably will be similar to a previous entertainment show format which has aired.

Bake Off had the terrific trailer before kick off of England's Italy match back in June. Plus it is an established show. I think having a sport themed entertainment show being trailed during non-stop sport could have made people think "enough already" Of course, you're right. Bake Off didn't suffer but it isn't a new show launching.

I can't disagree with that (except that she did bring across GBBO of course). And I could add By Any Means to the list of axings, a drama that needed a few episodes to get into its stride, but after the final couple of episodes deserved a second series at least 9surely the BBC should be able to give new dramas a chance to find their feet).

I don't get paid a 100k a year to come with good ideas though, and I doubt anyone on here does.

Well, the BBC do have a huge LE hit in SCD. But as audiences prove with shows like Merlin and Casualty (and Atlantis - I don't see why this new series should fare worse this year, it will remain a solid, if unspectacular middling hit), that drama can work on Saturday nights.

The BBC should focus on what is currently successful for them and capitalise on that. If a traditional qui show, a sitcom and a couple of quality dramas work on Saturday nights, focus on that. People don't necessarily want or expect yet another middling LE show. They just want decent telly.

Btw, I didn't dislike Tumble. As I've said it wasn't a bad show. It was enjoyable enough for me to tune in next week. But I did have the "who the hell are they" thoughts when being introduced to the celebrities. Perhaps a better choice of personalities could have helped.

Here's what I would have done:

5.05pm BBC News
5.20 Copycats (Promoted to BBC1 from CBBC)
5.50 Father Brown (rpt from daytime)
6.35 Doctor Who/Atlantis
7.20 In It To Win It (without the lottery draw - make it a quiz in its own right)
8.00 Casualty (Give it a permanent, fixed slot)
8.50 The National Lottery Draws
9.00 The Musketeers (The perfect place for this drama)

Obviously once SCD starts it would change. But SCD doesn't need emulating.

Wouldn't it have made more sense to drop Mrs. Brown's Boys at 9.30 for, say, Miranda at 6.30 and move everything 30 minutes lafter? 6.30 in the summer is a difficult time to start even if ITV have given up.

Don't think Charlotte Moore can be blamed for the car crash that is "Tumble". She probably couldn't stop it going into production. Its unfair to criticise her run after one of the most successful launches of "The Great British Bake Off" this week and I don't think she decided on her own to axe "The Crimson Field" we don't know what's she's gonna do with the channel yet. Her shaping of BBC one is still to emerge. "Tumble" is the responsibility of the BBC light entertainment department and heads. Its that department that needs shaking up.

Charlotte Moore commissioned Tumble after the LE department pitched it to her. But, it's unfair to call it car crash telly. It wasn't as bad as people on here say it is. Did you watch it? For the entire 90 minutes?

90 minutes!!!!! There's your first problem.

Dead on arrival. Very poor indeed. I caught 5-minutes of it and then turned it off. Very boring.


Happy with that rating?! 3.2m? No they won't. Yes 20% is OK - but the raw numbers are terrible. If this had been on ITV and it had got those numbers you would have had a field day declaring it the biggest ITV entertainment flop ever. It underperformed. Looks like a one series show.

Too soon!

Tumble will get a second series, I bet you a fiver!

I watched it. It wasn't awful, but it was awfully familiar.

I don't need an ITV rip-off of Strictly (Stepping Out) and I don't need a BBC rip-off (Tumble).

To be fair, BBC DID have a hit ent show a few years back - the Lloyd Webber series - which combined great presenting talent (Norton) with a fun format. A good balance of comedy and ent. But then ALW decamped to ITV and we know what happened then.

Its not her job to supervise her Light Entertainment department through every step of a programme. "Tumble" was flawed from day one which she should have spotted I agree

Prepare for "BBC axe ratings flop Tumble" headlines.