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Old 10-08-2014, 11:18
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Ooh! Ooooooooh!

Yuk, Blimey Blimey O'Riley. Stick a sausage in for good measure me dear, it's gonna be a long old day.

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Old 10-08-2014, 11:22
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The BBC will be happy with that rating, Tumble exceeded the 20pct target. Solid start.
Solid start? Well it's a start anyway.
Crikey... I'm suprised by that. I thought it would be good for at least 4.5m.
Starting under 4m doesn't leave Tumble far to, well tumble.
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Old 10-08-2014, 11:23
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Solid start? Well it's a start anyway.




Starting under 4m doesn't leave Tumble far to, well tumble.
Nah! It'll consolidate to over 10m once consolidated ratings are in!
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Old 10-08-2014, 11:25
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Ooh! Ooooooooh!

Yuk, Blimey Blimey O'Riley. Stick a sausage in for good measure me dear, it's gonna be a long old day.

Thin as butchers pencil.

So you think the rating is good or bad? It's not clear.
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Old 10-08-2014, 11:26
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I watched it. It wasn't awful, but it was awfully familiar.

I don't need an ITV rip-off of Strictly (Stepping Out) and I don't need a BBC rip-off (Tumble).

To be fair, BBC DID have a hit ent show a few years back - the Lloyd Webber series - which combined great presenting talent (Norton) with a fun format. A good balance of comedy and ent. But then ALW decamped to ITV and we know what happened then.
I loved the ALW shows. They were well produced and the talent was amazing. Norton was the perfect host too. You realise how talented he is as a presenter when you see Alex Jones presenting.
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Old 10-08-2014, 11:26
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Old 10-08-2014, 11:26
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Nah! It'll consolidate to over 10m once consolidated ratings are in!
When all the episode ratings are added together?
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Old 10-08-2014, 11:27
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So how did 'Tumble' compare to other new entertainment show launches? Wasn't it meant to be the biggest launch since 2008?
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Old 10-08-2014, 11:27
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I watched it. It wasn't awful, but it was awfully familiar.

I don't need an ITV rip-off of Strictly (Stepping Out) and I don't need a BBC rip-off (Tumble).

To be fair, BBC DID have a hit ent show a few years back - the Lloyd Webber series - which combined great presenting talent (Norton) with a fun format. A good balance of comedy and ent. But then ALW decamped to ITV and we know what happened then.
I miss those musical theatre-search singing shows. I wish they'd bring them back.
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Old 10-08-2014, 11:28
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When all the episode ratings are added together?
Maybe if you add in SCD too!
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Old 10-08-2014, 11:28
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I can't stop thinking at how ITV could fight back against a show like Tumble. Without IAC or the talent shows, ITV is kind of lost; so here's an idea, just a simple idea that could work for ITV...

Bring back Gladiators! I am feeling nostalgic and have been rewatching it online. They brought it back on Sky 1 which was great but the original will always be the best. So, I reckon, get a new batch of gladiators, use the most popular events from the original series and a few from the Sky1 series... keep the mats (no water when falling)... air it between June-August... a hit? It did outstanding on ITV all those years ago, and it's not like the novelty wore off, it did very well for Sky1 a few years ago too.

Surely on ITV, it should manage at least 4.5m in the summer weekly? It would surely comfortably launch at over 6m.

It's a format that really works, it was exciting for years and years, when you compare it to shows like Splash and Tumble...
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Old 10-08-2014, 11:29
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So you think the rating is good or bad? It's not clear.
Oh Cylon I think it's an Outstanding rating for an amazing show.

The BBC will be delighted.






















Hmmm My nose has grown?????
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Old 10-08-2014, 11:30
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I miss those musical theatre-search singing shows. I wish they'd bring them back.
Andrew Lloyd Webber continued and ratings flopped on ITV don't think they will return anytime soon.
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Old 10-08-2014, 11:31
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Not a great start for Tumble. The share means it isn't a disaster but its definitely a disappointment. They'd have hoped for half a million more than that at minimum. It's means it launched with lower rating and a lower share than Stepping Out and Your Face Sounds Familiar did (both 22% and 3.7m and 4m respectively).

6.30pm was abysmal scheduling although it didn't grow perhaps as much as you'd expect across the show (the last 5 minutes seemed to be early tune in for Break The Safe). It'll be interesting to see how next week goes. My guess is that it'll hover around 3m and I can see them putting it before the Strictly launch show rather than giving it the big lead-in. If ITV put XF against it then it's toast.
It's pretty dismal, even the share isn't anything to be happy with. I think the "celebrity sports entertainment" bubble is now burst. And with the momentum around Rising Star collapsing, the "live voting" bubble may also be burst by the end of the year. Time for a new bubble!

At 6.30pm they can stick with it for now. Pointless would do better but not hugely. I think it would need to go under 2.5m for them to make the call to shift it. And I actually thought the show was OK so I don't see it falling too badly. Could even go up if the overall audience increases next weekend.

Aye, there's the real problem, nothing new or original just derivations of the last successful format. I know it's not "original" but BBC and itv need to look at their history for future success or try something completely different to get out of its rut. Most people aren't going to watch gymnastics let alone celebrities doing gymnastics. Strictly and dancing in ice worked because they had either brand recognition or star power (I'm talking torvill and dean) behind them, tumble had neither.
Strictly didn't have that around the world though (where it was Dancing With The Stars) and yet it caught on in dozens of countries where nobody would have expected ballroom dancing to take off.

Having seen lots of attempts to muscle in on Idol/X Factor, I think we might now see producers looking at Got Talent and Strictly and trying to do something that really steps on their toes. John De Mol has tried the variety market with Beat The Best and it doesn't seem to have come off but Dancing on Ice was probably the last attempt on Strictly's turf.

Don't think Charlotte Moore can be blamed for the car crash that is "Tumble". She probably couldn't stop it going into production. Its unfair to criticise her run after one of the most successful launches of "The Great British Bake Off" this week and I don't think she decided on her own to axe "The Crimson Field" we don't know what's she's gonna do with the channel yet. Her shaping of BBC one is still to emerge. "Tumble" is the responsibility of the BBC light entertainment department and heads. Its that department that needs shaking up.
On the production side it was actually quite a different team to what you'd usually expect on a BBC show. Some people in on freelance or just quite new to the BBC.

When it comes to ideas, producers can only make the shows that get commissioned. Their clients are the networks, not the public. Commissioners are responsible for what gets on air.
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Old 10-08-2014, 11:31
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I can't stop thinking at how ITV could fight back against a show like Tumble. Without IAC or the talent shows, ITV is kind of lost; so here's an idea, just a simple idea that could work for ITV...

Bring back Gladiators! I am feeling nostalgic and have been rewatching it online. They brought it back on Sky 1 which was great but the original will always be the best. So, I reckon, get a new batch of gladiators, use the most popular events from the original series and a few from the Sky1 series... keep the mats (no water when falling)... air it between June-August... a hit? It did outstanding on ITV all those years ago, and it's not like the novelty wore off, it did very well for Sky1 a few years ago too.

Surely on ITV, it should manage at least 4.5m in the summer weekly? It would surely comfortably launch at over 6m.

It's a format that really works, it was exciting for years and years, when you compare it to shows like Splash and Tumble...
Great idea!
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Old 10-08-2014, 11:32
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I have to say, I agree with you. For many viewers having an intense sport offering on BBC1 for virtually two months non-stop has meant that those who enjoyed sport watched it, but those that didn't went and did something else instead - and found themselves liking it! It's all well and good having glossy, super looking trailers if you are promoting a sport focused entertainment show during sport programmes. Perhaps people felt it wasn't mainstream enough. Even my partner said "Oh, not more bloody sport!" but she did actually quite enjoy it in the end.

I think television is now at such a stage as it has become make or break during the next couple of months. If Autumn's ratings remain on the low side, then we really are at a worrying point for British TV. I am hoping Downton Abbey, TXF and SCD and Doctor Who can be television's salvation. Because let's face it, it needs a cavalry at the moment.

As an aside: Does anyone think the name "Tumble" might actually make the show sound naff before you've seen it? Could it be a little off-putting?
British TV will be completely fine come autumn time. Viewers will come back for the likes of New Tricks, X Factor and Downton Abbey when the days are shorter again. And Bake Off managed a strong rating earlier in the week, so it's not all doom and gloom.

I agree with you about the 'Tumble' name - it's really naff. I am really surprised by that rating though. I thought it would do a lot better than that, especially as it was promoted across all BBC platforms.

My prediction way off yet again.... Thank god I don't play the ratings prediction game
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Old 10-08-2014, 11:33
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Andrew Lloyd Webber continued and ratings flopped on ITV don't think they will return anytime soon.
They have run their course. I honestly don't know what the solution is.

I don't think we are going to be seeing a big original hit again for a long time.
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Old 10-08-2014, 11:33
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Just looking at the latest set of officials on BARB and the 8th series of Geordie Shore has achieved it's highest ratings ever for the series opener: 1.16m (inc +1).

Huge, huge numbers for MTV. Whatever you think of the show there's no denying that Geordie Shore is an absolute beast of a show and there appears to be no stopping it.
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Old 10-08-2014, 11:33
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Andrew Lloyd Webber continued and ratings flopped on ITV don't think they will return anytime soon.
They did - because itv thought the format was the star, rather than a combination of factors. They exchanged Norton for Amanda thingy. So already it was an inferior prodict before they'd even started.

It's all about the mix of ingredients with ent shows. That's what makes them so difficult to get right.
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Old 10-08-2014, 11:35
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To be fair, BBC DID have a hit ent show a few years back - the Lloyd Webber series - which combined great presenting talent (Norton) with a fun format. A good balance of comedy and ent. But then ALW decamped to ITV and we know what happened then.
I loved the ALW shows. They were well produced and the talent was amazing. Norton was the perfect host too. You realise how talented he is as a presenter when you see Alex Jones presenting.
The Lloyd Webber shows certainly felt different and were good fun but it peaked with How Do You Solve A Problem Like Maria? It was the best and got the highest ratings. Good judges and Graham Norton a brilliant host. Watch clips of him presenting and you see how much a good host can add to a show. Any LE producer that suggests Alex Jonesas host needs to be overruled. Let her host ANYTHING but a light entertainment programme.

Back to the ALW shows they had a finite lifespan and never rated as high as Strictly. BBC1 STILL need another big LE show to sit alongside Strictly and I don't include The Voice because the ratings aren't consistently high.
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Old 10-08-2014, 11:36
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It's pretty dismal, even the share isn't anything to be happy with. I think the "celebrity sports entertainment" bubble is now burst. And with the momentum around Rising Star collapsing, the "live voting" bubble may also be burst by the end of the year. Time for a new bubble!

At 6.30pm they can stick with it for now. Pointless would do better but not hugely. I think it would need to go under 2.5m for them to make the call to shift it. And I actually thought the show was OK so I don't see it falling too badly. Could even go up if the overall audience increases next weekend.



Strictly didn't have that around the world though (where it was Dancing With The Stars) and yet it caught on in dozens of countries where nobody would have expected ballroom dancing to take off.

Having seen lots of attempts to muscle in on Idol/X Factor, I think we might now see producers looking at Got Talent and Strictly and trying to do something that really steps on their toes. John De Mol has tried the variety market with Beat The Best and it doesn't seem to have come off but Dancing on Ice was probably the last attempt on Strictly's turf.



On the production side it was actually quite a different team to what you'd usually expect on a BBC show. Some people in on freelance or just quite new to the BBC.

When it comes to ideas, producers can only make the shows that get commissioned. Their clients are the networks, not the public. Commissioners are responsible for what gets on air.
I still think its not correct to blame Charlotte Moore for "Tumble" failing. She may have been given a rough outline for the show by her Light Entertainment department and its too early to say whether she will have a successful run at being Controller of BBC one.
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Old 10-08-2014, 11:39
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I have just come up with the solution.

I've said it before, I'll say it again.

"Ken's Don't Drop The Raspberry Flan" is the answer.

To quote Myself............

I have an Idea for BBC One Q2 Saturdays for 2015 "Ken's Don't Drop the Raspberry flan" the gameshow in which contestants from all walks of Life have to go through a series of interesting challenges without dropping the Raspberry flan. In the Grand finale at the end of each episode the contestants have to guess the mass of the flan and calculate the exact force needed to launch it into the back row of the audience. This will involve hilarious uses of Trigonometry and a basic knowledge of Force as a vector. The Further they Fly the Better the Prize.

After the final Challenge the contestants get to pick a prize of the Conveyer belt and they also get to take home the remnants of their Raspberry Flan. I would be the host, Tom Baker the voice over and my wife will be my "Glamorous Assistant" which leads to hilarious consequences. To close the show at the end there is a great big sing song that descends into a Raspberry Flan War.

"Ken's Don't Drop The Raspberry Flan" 10x75 mins 7 O'clock BBC One.
I said Q2 above. I think it could work all year around!
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Old 10-08-2014, 11:39
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The Lloyd Webber shows certainly felt different and were good fun but it peaked with How Do You Solve A Problem Like Maria? It was the best and got the highest ratings. Good judges and Graham Norton a brilliant host. Watch clips of him presenting and you see how much a good host can add to a show. Any LE producer that suggests Alex Jonesas host needs to be overruled. Let her host ANYTHING but a light entertainment programme.
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I slightly disagree. I think Joseph was the strongest series and yes, the last BBC one, the Dorothy one was the weakest, but largely because the score is so awful. ITV's Jesus one was horrific on so many levels.

Bring back Gladiators? Funnily enough, there's a new vsn being hawked around the market as we speak. So stranger things have happened.
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Old 10-08-2014, 11:39
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Andrew Lloyd Webber continued and ratings flopped on ITV don't think they will return anytime soon.
They flopped on ITV because the production values weren't as good. Amanda Holden was a terrible host and the panel were bad too.
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Old 10-08-2014, 11:39
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I still think its not correct to blame Charlotte Moore for "Tumble" failing. She may have been given a rough outline for the show by her Light Entertainment department and its too early to say whether she will have a successful run at being Controller of BBC one.
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