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The Ratings Thread (Part 61)
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Fudd
23-09-2014
Originally Posted by H of De Vil:
“Sheridan Smith is ITV's drama girl. Her next project for ITV is Black Work.”

Please tell me this is a potentially returning drama. ITV really need them.

Originally Posted by xeo:
“Much better. I would really like for them to change the name back to Five though, Channel 5 has always come off as cheap and tacky to me. I don't know why.”

Was it launched as Channel 5? If so, that's probably why the name feels cheap and tacky. Early on, the channel was very much that - particularly late night.

I like the new look - I think the circles gives the channel a certain identity even if that identity, in shape, is quite close to BBC One!
NeilVW
23-09-2014
Originally Posted by SamuelW:
“This guy on twitter is spot on IMO:

Guest @guestofseth · 2h
Can we get Sheridan Smith some better roles please? BBC? Channel 4 even?... If the "put something good on and people will watch" are right, #Cilla is the only good new drama on tv. I simply can not believe that...I have a theory that ITV drama only has to be half as good as BBC drama to get double the praise.

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Lower general standards means the few good shows they air tend to get more attention. Something which is quite good stands out in a sea of dross. Whereas on BBC One, as most things are of high quality, certain dramas dont stand out to the audience as much so they dont rate as highly - but the general average ratings of BBC1 tend to be higher than Itv's.”

This guy? It's our own guestofseth! The clues are there!
Fudd
23-09-2014
Originally Posted by NeilVW:
“This guy? It's our own guestofseth! The clues are there!”

I may be cynical but I have the feeling our dear Samuel was trying to make out that even folk who are not overly interested in TV ratings spot the quality difference between BBC One and ITV drama.
Dancc
23-09-2014
Originally Posted by Pizzatheaction:
“Yep, I usually notice the absence of HD on the cricket highlights more than anything else, but that video you posted was crystal clear on my computer.

Would be great to have it in HD on Freeview. ”

Yes, I think sport is the genre I notice the most when it's SD as well. Not that there's a great deal of that on C5 at the moment!

I don't know when their deal with Sky runs out but hopefully they will not renew it, at least not on the basis of exclusivity. By all means offer 5USA HD and 5* HD behind the paywall as C4 do with E4 and Film4 but not the main channel.

I find it particularly unsatisfying that there are as many as three C4 owned HD channels on Freeview all showing pretty much the same content, but not one HD outlet for C5. I think as time goes on if they don't already viewers will find that increasingly unacceptable and the gap back to C4 will grow as opposed to continuing to narrow.
guestofseth
23-09-2014
Originally Posted by NeilVW:
“This guy? It's our own guestofseth! The clues are there!”

Oh sh*t, the crap I spout on twitter has made its way to DS. (Not that it's that much different to the nonsense I say on here.) First of all, I see Samuel cut "(It's probably bollocks.)" from my "theory", although I admit I do think people hold BBC drama to higher standards.

Also I think Cilla is a good drama, I just don't think it's the only good drama to air recently, or the best, and the better roles comment came 12 minutes into the first episode before Sheridan Smith really got into the role.
Fudd
23-09-2014
Originally Posted by guestofseth:
“Oh sh*t, the crap I spout on twitter has made its way to DS. First of all, I see Samuel cut "(It's probably bollocks.)" from my "theory", although I admit I do think people hold BBC drama to higher standards.”

I hope you realise that you've now become a 'source'.
guestofseth
23-09-2014
Originally Posted by Fudd:
“I hope you realise that you've now become a 'source'. ”

Secretly, that has always been a dream of mine.
Pizzatheaction
23-09-2014
Originally Posted by Dancc:
“Yes, I think sport is the genre I notice the most when it's SD as well. Not that there's a great deal of that on C5 at the moment!

I don't know when their deal with Sky runs out but hopefully they will not renew it, at least not on the basis of exclusivity. By all means offer 5USA HD and 5* HD behind the paywall as C4 do with E4 and Film4 but not the main channel.

I find it particularly unsatisfying that there are as many as three C4 owned HD channels on Freeview all showing pretty much the same content, but not one HD outlet for C5. I think as time goes on if they don't already viewers will find that increasingly unacceptable and the gap back to C4 will grow as opposed to continuing to narrow.”

How long are the E4/Film 4 and ITV2/3/4 deals?
JCR
23-09-2014
Originally Posted by CD93:
“For a science fiction show in it's ninth (sort-of) consecutive year, Doctor Who's consistency in the face of constant cast and production turnovers continues to be spectacular.”

Ninth year pish. This is series 34, as everyone well knows.
johnnymc
23-09-2014
Is Barnard from "Cilla" in "The Musketeers? Can help thinking he'd have made a great " Doctor Who".
Steve Williams
23-09-2014
Originally Posted by James J:
“Still avoiding the fact that the Bbc increasingly behaves like a commercial network with regards to Bbc1 and that this is actually squeezing the immediately obvious results in the eyes of the general public.”

With all due respect, this has been said virtually non-stop since ITV began in 1955 and there's absolutely no truth in it whatsoever.

Originally Posted by aberdaberdonian:
“I have to say, I'm not convinced that the BBC is increasing behaving like a commercial network. Yes it scheduled a single episode of strictly come dancing on a sunday that landed up against X-factor, but that's a single episode.

Sure they shifted their children's programmes to their children's channels (about 1 and 1/2 hours of non-primetime viewing), but if the argument is that this has had some massive impact on ITV's business model, then I fear ITV was pretty much dead in the water already.”

Yes, exactly this. Ten years ago BBC1 showed an entire series - not one episode, an entire series - of Fame Academy directly against Pop Idol as a blatant spoiler. Twenty years ago they had Caught In The Act and Eldorado in primetime, commissioned purely for the ratings. Thirty years ago they commissioned The Late Late Breakfast Show expressly to take on Game For A Laugh as well as dreadful game shows with low production values like Monkey Business and Get Set Go. Forty years ago Paul Fox was writing in the Radio Times about how they were going to show whichever World Cup matches they liked and didn't care what ITV did. Fifty years ago they were scheduling big shows like Steptoe and Son and Till Death Us Do Part opposite Coronation Street purely to dent it.

Last week BBC1 showed an hour-long programme about the Scottish referendum at 9pm, nationwide. Earlier this year it showed a documentary series about the First World War at 9pm for four weeks. That is not what a commercial channel will do and, in addition, it's not what BBC1 has done in the past. In the mid-nineties People's Century - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Century - wasn't on in primetime, the first batch of episodes were at 10pm on Wednesdays, the second at 5pm on Sundays and the third at 10.30 on Sundays. Meanwhile classic dramas like Middlemarch and Martin Chuzzlewit were on BBC2 while BBC1's drama was by-the-numbers things like Dangerfield.

As for the kids' shows, the BBC are acting in the interests of children who want them on childrens' channels. Children today don't know a time when there wasn't a CBBC channel, it's been there all their life - and every child in Britain has it, and it's promoted extensively across the BBC. You may wish to compare this to ITV who abandoned their weekday kids' shows in 2006 before every child had digital and, indeed, before the CITV channel was even on some platforms. It's the way kids want to watch it. You may as well criticise them for not showing schools' programmes anymore. Schools don't need them.

And then there's things like Radioplayer and the BBC website always linking to commercial operations (even in such things as saying which channel a football match is on), which is definitely not reciprocated.

Suggesting BBC1 is "increasingly" acting like a commercial channel is to totally forget the last fifty years.
centauri72
23-09-2014
Originally Posted by johnnymc:
“Is Barnard from "Cilla" in "The Musketeers? Can help thinking he'd have made a great " Doctor Who".”

He wasn't in The Musketeers, but he played Richard III in The White Queen and was John Trenchard in Sky's Moonfleet at Christmas.

He's a very good actor, I agree, but we have IMHO a superb Doctor already...
Ice dragon1
23-09-2014
It's official Rita Ora joins The Voice UK:

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/tv/s154/...oQFILXkUbxKLgt
Score
23-09-2014
Originally Posted by Ice dragon1:
“It's official Rita Ora joins The Voice UK:

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/tv/s154/...oQFILXkUbxKLgt”

Not sure it's a great signing.

Definitely a downgrade from Kylie and she wasn't particularly good as an X Factor guest judge a couple of years ago. Of course she might improve, we'll have to wait and see.
Mr_Eye
23-09-2014
Originally Posted by Score:
“Not sure it's a great signing.

Definitely a downgrade from Kylie and she wasn't particularly good as an X Factor guest judge a couple of years ago. Of course she might improve, we'll have to wait and see.”

I don't think its a particularly bad signing, but it isnt very exciting.

At this point it just feels like the BBC are flogging a dead horse with The Voice.
Cestrian18
23-09-2014
Originally Posted by Score:
“Not sure it's a great signing.

Definitely a downgrade from Kylie and she wasn't particularly good as an X Factor guest judge a couple of years ago. Of course she might improve, we'll have to wait and see.”

Yeah, lets hope the Beeb give her some coaching of her own first, can't help but think she's a placeholder for Kylie to return for Series 5 though, very uninspiring signing (but does appeal to the younger demographic I guess)
Score
23-09-2014
Jake Kanter: Cilla loses nearly 500,000, but its audience of 6.2m (27.9%) still outshines the competition. #tellyratings

Looks like a decent hold.
lewiep93
23-09-2014
UK TV Ratings ‏@TVRatingsUK 8s
#Cilla continued to win its slot last night with 6.22m/27.9%. #NewTricks on BBC1 averaged 4.75m/21.3%.
Ice dragon1
23-09-2014
Originally Posted by Score:
“Not sure it's a great signing.

Definitely a downgrade from Kylie and she wasn't particularly good as an X Factor guest judge a couple of years ago. Of course she might improve, we'll have to wait and see.”

I don't think its a bad signing I think most can see she's a downgrade from Kylie but on the positive she should help appeal to a more younger demo. Plus to be fair considering many say the Voice was a flop, am surprised by the big stars they can get on thier judging panel.
Score
23-09-2014
Originally Posted by lewiep93:
“UK TV Ratings ‏@TVRatingsUK 8s
#Cilla continued to win its slot last night with 6.22m/27.9%. #NewTricks on BBC1 averaged 4.75m/21.3%.”

New Tricks bounced back a bit then which will be something of a relief to BBC1. It actually gained more than Cilla lost so some extra viewers will have come from somewhere else too.

Originally Posted by Ice dragon1:
“I don't think its a bad signing I think most can see she's a downgrade from Kylie but on the positive she should help appeal to a more younger demo. Plus to be fair considering many say the Voice was a flop, am surprised by the big stars they can get on thier judging panel.”

The advantage The Voice has is that it isn't a big commitment for stars. The auditions are filmed in 6 days, the battle rounds take 2 days (plus maybe a day working with the acts beforehand), the knockouts probably the same and then only 3 weeks of live shows. It doesn't take up much time at all, whereas X Factor has 10 weeks of live shows so blocks out the whole Autumn. The auditions take a lot longer too.
yorkie100
23-09-2014
Originally Posted by Ice dragon1:
“It's official Rita Ora joins The Voice UK:

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/tv/s154/...oQFILXkUbxKLgt”

So the other 3 judges are staying as well - I thought everybody was expecting Will at least to walk.
garyessex
23-09-2014
What does Rita Ora know? Her success has come from being in the right bed at the right time.
cylon6
23-09-2014
Originally Posted by Steve Williams:
“With all due respect, this has been said virtually non-stop since ITV began in 1955 and there's absolutely no truth in it whatsoever.



Yes, exactly this. Ten years ago BBC1 showed an entire series - not one episode, an entire series - of Fame Academy directly against Pop Idol as a blatant spoiler. Twenty years ago they had Caught In The Act and Eldorado in primetime, commissioned purely for the ratings. Thirty years ago they commissioned The Late Late Breakfast Show expressly to take on Game For A Laugh as well as dreadful game shows with low production values like Monkey Business and Get Set Go. Forty years ago Paul Fox was writing in the Radio Times about how they were going to show whichever World Cup matches they liked and didn't care what ITV did. Fifty years ago they were scheduling big shows like Steptoe and Son and Till Death Us Do Part opposite Coronation Street purely to dent it.

Last week BBC1 showed an hour-long programme about the Scottish referendum at 9pm, nationwide. Earlier this year it showed a documentary series about the First World War at 9pm for four weeks. That is not what a commercial channel will do and, in addition, it's not what BBC1 has done in the past. In the mid-nineties People's Century - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Century - wasn't on in primetime, the first batch of episodes were at 10pm on Wednesdays, the second at 5pm on Sundays and the third at 10.30 on Sundays. Meanwhile classic dramas like Middlemarch and Martin Chuzzlewit were on BBC2 while BBC1's drama was by-the-numbers things like Dangerfield.

As for the kids' shows, the BBC are acting in the interests of children who want them on childrens' channels. Children today don't know a time when there wasn't a CBBC channel, it's been there all their life - and every child in Britain has it, and it's promoted extensively across the BBC. You may wish to compare this to ITV who abandoned their weekday kids' shows in 2006 before every child had digital and, indeed, before the CITV channel was even on some platforms. It's the way kids want to watch it. You may as well criticise them for not showing schools' programmes anymore. Schools don't need them.

And then there's things like Radioplayer and the BBC website always linking to commercial operations (even in such things as saying which channel a football match is on), which is definitely not reciprocated.

Suggesting BBC1 is "increasingly" acting like a commercial channel is to totally forget the last fifty years.”

Well said Steve. And weekend TV has been fought over for decades with big shows going head to head. It's nothing new and the BBC needs to have popular shows to justify the licence fee. People will moan about paying for a service they don't watch or listen to.

Some people would be happy for the BBC just to show a test card opposite ITV's shows. The same people that moan about BBC1+1.
lewiep93
23-09-2014
Overnights.tv ‏@overnightstv 1m
#Cilla again proved a crowd-pleaser, winning the 9pm slot with 5.8m/26% on ITV, with further 423.5k/2.8% http://www.overnight.tv

So excluding +1, Cilla only lost around 300k. Not bad at all. Deserves to do well as it is fantastic!

Rita Ora as a new coach on The Voice? Hmm, we'll have to wait and see that pans out. I'm bored with singing shows in general to be honest.
Ice dragon1
23-09-2014
Originally Posted by yorkie100:
“So the other 3 judges are staying as well - I thought everybody was expecting Will at least to walk.”

Am glad thier staying especially Ricky I loved him last year.
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