The X Factor looks great tomorrow. Can't wait. 
The Ratings Thread (Part 61)
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Originally Posted by Steve Williams:
“Funnily enough in The Nation's Favourite they specifically refer to the Nicky Campbell drivetime show as one of the biggest mistakes of Bannister's original changes as they had too much news and talk on it, Trevor Dann talks about listening to him interviewing Tim Pat Coogan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Pat_Coogan) about Northern Ireland for twenty minutes, and thinking it would have been tough going on Radio 4, let alone drivetime Radio 1.
Funnily enough Campbell was replaced by Mark Goodier with a much more music-based drivetime show. But in 1995 I thought it was brilliant, with Evans, Mayo, Campbell and Goodier in daytime (I could take or leave Lisa I'Anson), plus the wonderful Kevin Greening at weekends and a fantastic music policy. I remember being absolutely gutted in 1999 when Martine McCutcheon turned up on the playlist.”
“Funnily enough in The Nation's Favourite they specifically refer to the Nicky Campbell drivetime show as one of the biggest mistakes of Bannister's original changes as they had too much news and talk on it, Trevor Dann talks about listening to him interviewing Tim Pat Coogan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Pat_Coogan) about Northern Ireland for twenty minutes, and thinking it would have been tough going on Radio 4, let alone drivetime Radio 1.
Funnily enough Campbell was replaced by Mark Goodier with a much more music-based drivetime show. But in 1995 I thought it was brilliant, with Evans, Mayo, Campbell and Goodier in daytime (I could take or leave Lisa I'Anson), plus the wonderful Kevin Greening at weekends and a fantastic music policy. I remember being absolutely gutted in 1999 when Martine McCutcheon turned up on the playlist.”
Not a Perfect Moment, then. 
Originally Posted by H of De Vil:
“Yes a few times, but since ITV keep taking The Chase off, as it starts to strengthen and rise it looses momentum when it returns and has to start all over again. Pointless is on all the time, so has consistency.”
“Yes a few times, but since ITV keep taking The Chase off, as it starts to strengthen and rise it looses momentum when it returns and has to start all over again. Pointless is on all the time, so has consistency.”
and Pointless is, well, more popular, hence better ratings practically all the time without +1.
Oh and yes Marvelous, life-affirming TV at it's best. Just finished it.
Oh and Mark and Lard in the afternoon was great on Radio1. When they went, I went, my time of listening to it ended, about 8 years though, which is pretty good.
Did we get a rating for midnight Dallas? Just caught up; I'm enjoying it just as much as last season.
Originally Posted by seansnotmyname@:
“and Pointless is, well, more popular, hence better ratings practically all the time without +1.
Oh and yes Marvelous, life-affirming TV at it's best. Just finished it.
Oh and Mark and Lard in the afternoon was great on Radio1. When they went, I went, my time of listening to it ended, about 8 years though, which is pretty good.”
“and Pointless is, well, more popular, hence better ratings practically all the time without +1.
Oh and yes Marvelous, life-affirming TV at it's best. Just finished it.
Oh and Mark and Lard in the afternoon was great on Radio1. When they went, I went, my time of listening to it ended, about 8 years though, which is pretty good.”
Oh yes Pointless is more popular, but we'll exclude +1 just to make sure.
Originally Posted by H of De Vil:
“Oh yes Pointless is more popular, but we'll exclude +1 just to make sure.”
“Oh yes Pointless is more popular, but we'll exclude +1 just to make sure.”
More popular anyway for the vast majority of the time, just saying it's almost 100% without it.
Originally Posted by H of De Vil:
“It will be a hit then. The BBC audience will lap it up.”
“It will be a hit then. The BBC audience will lap it up.”
It was terrible, like Changing Rooms but done very badly. If Your House In Their Hands holds its audience it will be a hell of a feat!
Originally Posted by Jaycee Dove:
“Alison Graham did in Radio Times. Her preview of it (on sale before episode 1 aired so ratings were unknown) stated clearly this was not a 9pm show but an earlier in the evening Sunday one.
She will, of course, have seen the press preview of that episode so had a reasonable basis to judge - and it is indeed obvious once you see the show this is much more Born and Bred territory than it is Ripper Street.
Of course, I understand the logic of the GBBO inheritance argument that must have been at work....but it hardly takes anyone at the BBC to be Einstein to figure out that:-
a show featuring loads of cute animals and no content remotely post watershed that is based on the autobiography (called Our Zoo BTW - hence the title) written by one of the main characters in the series who was a little girl during the time when it is set
is:
1) Very likely to be family audience orientated
2) Of particular interest to youngsters
Though that becomes a viewing public almost entirely ostracised (other than via catch up) given the decision to start the series after/around bedtime on a midweek during the first week back at school after the summer holidays.
Whether it would have made a big difference to the ratings we will never know. But I find it hard to fathom how the people making these decisions at the BBC did not appear to realise the problem with the late hour/midweek slot they were creating.
It demonstrates clearly that inheritance from a big show only works IF the show you offer that inheritance to is both suitable to the audience that are watching the first show and are also able to watch the second one given its later slot.
Neither of which in my view is very obviously correct with Our Zoo.
It was an easy mistake to make and might even have worked out had - say - GBBO been on at 7 pm and Our Zoo at 8 pm.
But by ignoring the total inappropriate nature of the slot given to Our Zoo it negated the tactic entirely.
So a lesson learnt, hopefully, when future decisions like this are taken.
I also hope the BBC will repeat the series over Christmas at a time when families can watch together and then give a second series a better slot.
This actually would have been perfect Christmas family viewing and maybe should have launched over there when gentle series like this are most appreciated.
It is not a disaster as yet (first two episodes consolidated to around five and a half million). The BBC are usually good at persisting with series they believe in and I suspect they do think this has a future and deserves a second chance in a more family friendly slot.
I also think it will find a family audience around the world so export well.
If it flops there then - okay - it will be the end of the line. Or TV tastes will just have changed so far in the UK that they will have to commission a series about ivory hunters using machine guns instead in hope that this will get bigger ratings.
Would be a sad day for British TV if series like Our Zoo no longer have a place, as it is a particularly British type of show - but the world moves on and times change so perhaps even the BBC will no longer be able to support 'old fashioned' shows.”
“Alison Graham did in Radio Times. Her preview of it (on sale before episode 1 aired so ratings were unknown) stated clearly this was not a 9pm show but an earlier in the evening Sunday one.
She will, of course, have seen the press preview of that episode so had a reasonable basis to judge - and it is indeed obvious once you see the show this is much more Born and Bred territory than it is Ripper Street.
Of course, I understand the logic of the GBBO inheritance argument that must have been at work....but it hardly takes anyone at the BBC to be Einstein to figure out that:-
a show featuring loads of cute animals and no content remotely post watershed that is based on the autobiography (called Our Zoo BTW - hence the title) written by one of the main characters in the series who was a little girl during the time when it is set
is:
1) Very likely to be family audience orientated
2) Of particular interest to youngsters
Though that becomes a viewing public almost entirely ostracised (other than via catch up) given the decision to start the series after/around bedtime on a midweek during the first week back at school after the summer holidays.
Whether it would have made a big difference to the ratings we will never know. But I find it hard to fathom how the people making these decisions at the BBC did not appear to realise the problem with the late hour/midweek slot they were creating.
It demonstrates clearly that inheritance from a big show only works IF the show you offer that inheritance to is both suitable to the audience that are watching the first show and are also able to watch the second one given its later slot.
Neither of which in my view is very obviously correct with Our Zoo.
It was an easy mistake to make and might even have worked out had - say - GBBO been on at 7 pm and Our Zoo at 8 pm.
But by ignoring the total inappropriate nature of the slot given to Our Zoo it negated the tactic entirely.
So a lesson learnt, hopefully, when future decisions like this are taken.
I also hope the BBC will repeat the series over Christmas at a time when families can watch together and then give a second series a better slot.
This actually would have been perfect Christmas family viewing and maybe should have launched over there when gentle series like this are most appreciated.
It is not a disaster as yet (first two episodes consolidated to around five and a half million). The BBC are usually good at persisting with series they believe in and I suspect they do think this has a future and deserves a second chance in a more family friendly slot.
I also think it will find a family audience around the world so export well.
If it flops there then - okay - it will be the end of the line. Or TV tastes will just have changed so far in the UK that they will have to commission a series about ivory hunters using machine guns instead in hope that this will get bigger ratings.
Would be a sad day for British TV if series like Our Zoo no longer have a place, as it is a particularly British type of show - but the world moves on and times change so perhaps even the BBC will no longer be able to support 'old fashioned' shows.”
Would Our Zoo have managed more than 5m opposite X Factor? I'm not so sure. It probably would have done in the new year though.
Originally Posted by cylon6:
“It was terrible, like Changing Rooms but done very badly. If Your House In Their Hands holds its audience it will be a hell of a feat!”
“It was terrible, like Changing Rooms but done very badly. If Your House In Their Hands holds its audience it will be a hell of a feat!”
It was just awful, the kind of crap even Channel 5 wouldn't show.
Originally Posted by Mr_Eye:
“It was just awful, the kind of crap even Channel 5 wouldn't show.”
“It was just awful, the kind of crap even Channel 5 wouldn't show.”
Surely you are mistaken...presenter in PVC or Leather...ideal C5 fodder.
I wonder if the programme was born out of the interior design programme that was on BBC2, which was design based rather than shock based.
Viewers who watched Marvellous on BBC2 last night loved it, will their love be reflected by the ratings?
Originally Posted by Mr_Eye:
“It was just awful, the kind of crap even Channel 5 wouldn't show.”
“It was just awful, the kind of crap even Channel 5 wouldn't show.”
I'm pretty sure they would.
Originally Posted by i4u:
“Viewers who watched Marvellous on BBC2 last night loved it, will their love be reflected by the ratings?”
“Viewers who watched Marvellous on BBC2 last night loved it, will their love be reflected by the ratings?”
Were not relying on Twitter again are we?
Originally Posted by H of De Vil:
“The X Factor looks great tomorrow. Can't wait.”
“The X Factor looks great tomorrow. Can't wait.
”
I thought you were fed up with it? Have you fallen for the hype?
Hope Marvellous rates well, it was wonderful. Singular best piece of British TV I have seen in forever. Heart-warming, quaint, funny and quintessentially British, such an endearing story. Should clean up at awards too if there's any justice.
Originally Posted by Steve Williams:
“Funnily enough in The Nation's Favourite they specifically refer to the Nicky Campbell drivetime show as one of the biggest mistakes of Bannister's original changes as they had too much news and talk on it, Trevor Dann talks about listening to him interviewing Tim Pat Coogan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Pat_Coogan) about Northern Ireland for twenty minutes, and thinking it would have been tough going on Radio 4, let alone drivetime Radio 1.
Funnily enough Campbell was replaced by Mark Goodier with a much more music-based drivetime show. But in 1995 I thought it was brilliant, with Evans, Mayo, Campbell and Goodier in daytime (I could take or leave Lisa I'Anson), plus the wonderful Kevin Greening at weekends and a fantastic music policy. I remember being absolutely gutted in 1999 when Martine McCutcheon turned up on the playlist.”
“Funnily enough in The Nation's Favourite they specifically refer to the Nicky Campbell drivetime show as one of the biggest mistakes of Bannister's original changes as they had too much news and talk on it, Trevor Dann talks about listening to him interviewing Tim Pat Coogan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Pat_Coogan) about Northern Ireland for twenty minutes, and thinking it would have been tough going on Radio 4, let alone drivetime Radio 1.
Funnily enough Campbell was replaced by Mark Goodier with a much more music-based drivetime show. But in 1995 I thought it was brilliant, with Evans, Mayo, Campbell and Goodier in daytime (I could take or leave Lisa I'Anson), plus the wonderful Kevin Greening at weekends and a fantastic music policy. I remember being absolutely gutted in 1999 when Martine McCutcheon turned up on the playlist.”
Mark Goodier had all the personality of paint. Couldn't listen to shows just for the music if the DJ playing them had some personality and he had none. Johnny Needling should hace been kneecapped for taking Bruno Brookes off teatime and replacing him with Goodier. That's why Bannister's first revamp was a mess. Radio 1 schedule was full of people that just couldn't connect with the audience. How are you going to bring in a young audience with Emma Freud? Actually she couldn't bring in any audience.
Quote:
“And that's the documentary I was referring to which features Adrian Juste hilariously slagging off Bannister and Baker and everyone else, and wandering around the old offices going "They've ripped the heart out of this place!". Which makes him look the most tragic individual. Which is why I was reminded of it with that Carol McGiffin interview, to bring it back to the point.”
“And that's the documentary I was referring to which features Adrian Juste hilariously slagging off Bannister and Baker and everyone else, and wandering around the old offices going "They've ripped the heart out of this place!". Which makes him look the most tragic individual. Which is why I was reminded of it with that Carol McGiffin interview, to bring it back to the point.”
Just because they sound bitter doesn't mean they were wrong. McGiffin is right about Loose Women and Juste was right about the first revamp. Juste never really did much anyway and he was paranoid about taking holidays and being replaced, so he would record shows to play in his absence!
Interested to see if EastEnders and Emmerdale will see a boost for yesterday's episodes. I hope so!
Re: Christmas, it's definitely time the BBC split EastEnders up again IMO. The last time they did this was a whopping 6 years ago in 2008. That year the schedule went:
15.00 - The Queen: 6.4m (42.6%)
15.10 - FILM: Shark Tale: 4.7m (31.0%)
14.30 - FILM: Wallace & Gromit: The Curse of the Were-Rabbit: 7.2m
17.45 - BBC News: 9.5m (47.1%)
18.00 - Doctor Who: The Next Doctor: 11.7m (50.5%)
19.00 - Strictly Come Dancing: 8.6m (35%)
20.00 - EastEnders: 9.9m (40.6%)
20.30 - Wallace & Gromit: A Matter of Loaf and Death: 14.3m (53.3%)
21.00 - EastEnders: 11.5m (44.9%)
21.30 - The Royle Family: The New Sofa: 10.0m (42%)
22.30 - Blackadder Rides Again: 5.6m (30.9%)
A brilliant lineup. That 14.3m figure for Wallace and Gromit at 8.30
The Top 10 overnights for Christmas Day 2008:
BBC1 34.2%, ITV1 16.9%, 24.4m average total in peak time.
The BBC should split EastEnders to give fans a treat (two episodes was tradition for years) and also give it a chance for a whopper of an episode 2 figure. And the jury is still out on which order Strictly and Doctor Who should air - I think Doctor Who should air later. Comedy wise it looks like we have Mrs Brown's Boys and Miranda as well as Michael McIntyre. Perhaps this :
15.00 - The Queen
15.10 - FILM: Frozen / whatever
17.00 - BBC News
17.15 - Strictly Come Dancing
18.30 - Call The Midwife
19.45 - EastEnders
20.15 - Doctor Who
21.15 - EastEnders
21.45 - Miranda
22.15 - Mrs Brown's Boys
22.45 - Michael McIntyre's Christmas Roadshow
23.45 - BBC News
Any thoughts on this schedule / Christmas in general? Is there any truth in the 'taking turns' thing with Christmas Day, and if so do we know whose 'turn' it is?
Re: Christmas, it's definitely time the BBC split EastEnders up again IMO. The last time they did this was a whopping 6 years ago in 2008. That year the schedule went:
15.00 - The Queen: 6.4m (42.6%)
15.10 - FILM: Shark Tale: 4.7m (31.0%)
14.30 - FILM: Wallace & Gromit: The Curse of the Were-Rabbit: 7.2m
17.45 - BBC News: 9.5m (47.1%)
18.00 - Doctor Who: The Next Doctor: 11.7m (50.5%)
19.00 - Strictly Come Dancing: 8.6m (35%)
20.00 - EastEnders: 9.9m (40.6%)
20.30 - Wallace & Gromit: A Matter of Loaf and Death: 14.3m (53.3%)
21.00 - EastEnders: 11.5m (44.9%)
21.30 - The Royle Family: The New Sofa: 10.0m (42%)
22.30 - Blackadder Rides Again: 5.6m (30.9%)
A brilliant lineup. That 14.3m figure for Wallace and Gromit at 8.30
The Top 10 overnights for Christmas Day 2008:
Spoiler
BBC1 34.2%, ITV1 16.9%, 24.4m average total in peak time.
The BBC should split EastEnders to give fans a treat (two episodes was tradition for years) and also give it a chance for a whopper of an episode 2 figure. And the jury is still out on which order Strictly and Doctor Who should air - I think Doctor Who should air later. Comedy wise it looks like we have Mrs Brown's Boys and Miranda as well as Michael McIntyre. Perhaps this :
15.00 - The Queen
15.10 - FILM: Frozen / whatever
17.00 - BBC News
17.15 - Strictly Come Dancing
18.30 - Call The Midwife
19.45 - EastEnders
20.15 - Doctor Who
21.15 - EastEnders
21.45 - Miranda
22.15 - Mrs Brown's Boys
22.45 - Michael McIntyre's Christmas Roadshow
23.45 - BBC News
Any thoughts on this schedule / Christmas in general? Is there any truth in the 'taking turns' thing with Christmas Day, and if so do we know whose 'turn' it is?
They won't have Frozen for another few years yet. Having Miranda and Mrs Brown must be a relief for the BBC though, especially with a weakened Downton this year.
^. ^
I would prefer if was like 2007 ( soap times are really good there )
BBC One
18:20 EastEnders
18:50 Doctor Who: Voyage of the Damned
20:00 EastEnders
20:30 Strictly Come Dancing Special
21:30 To The Manor Born
22:30 Catherine Tate Christmas Special
ITV1
18:50 Emmerdale
19:50 ITV News and Regional News
20:00 Harry Hill's Christmas Burp
20:30 Coronation Street
21:30 Midsomer Murders
I would prefer if was like 2007 ( soap times are really good there )
BBC One
18:20 EastEnders
18:50 Doctor Who: Voyage of the Damned
20:00 EastEnders
20:30 Strictly Come Dancing Special
21:30 To The Manor Born
22:30 Catherine Tate Christmas Special
ITV1
18:50 Emmerdale
19:50 ITV News and Regional News
20:00 Harry Hill's Christmas Burp
20:30 Coronation Street
21:30 Midsomer Murders
Originally Posted by Mr_Eye:
“They won't have Frozen for another few years yet.”
“They won't have Frozen for another few years yet.”
Rip the whole post up then.
Edit: I see you added to your originally curt post
Originally Posted by Tindie_Bais:
“^. ^
I would prefer if was like 2007 ( soap times are really good there )
BBC One
18:20 EastEnders
18:50 Doctor Who: Voyage of the Damned
20:00 EastEnders
20:30 Strictly Come Dancing Special
21:30 To The Manor Born
22:30 Catherine Tate Christmas Special
ITV1
18:50 Emmerdale
19:50 ITV News and Regional News
20:00 Harry Hill's Christmas Burp
20:30 Coronation Street
21:30 Midsomer Murders”
“^. ^
I would prefer if was like 2007 ( soap times are really good there )
BBC One
18:20 EastEnders
18:50 Doctor Who: Voyage of the Damned
20:00 EastEnders
20:30 Strictly Come Dancing Special
21:30 To The Manor Born
22:30 Catherine Tate Christmas Special
ITV1
18:50 Emmerdale
19:50 ITV News and Regional News
20:00 Harry Hill's Christmas Burp
20:30 Coronation Street
21:30 Midsomer Murders”
Good schedule, swap Midsomer for Downton and it'd be great for ITV. Getting Harry Hill back for a Christmas Special of 'Burp' would be such a treat as well. Doctor Who in a 70 minute slot
That episode did very well in the ratings though didn't it, featuring Kylie Minogue.Doubt the BBC would let Coronation Street air so late again - and considering Strictly was at 5pm last year I doubt we'd see as late as 8.30pm again.
Originally Posted by yorkie100:
“I thought you were fed up with it? Have you fallen for the hype?”
“I thought you were fed up with it? Have you fallen for the hype?”
I was fed up of the auditions. Some of the episodes were a drag, but tomorrow looks really good. I find the 6 chair challenge a much more interesting format than previous bootcamp years.
Originally Posted by James J:
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Any thoughts on this schedule / Christmas in general? Is there any truth in the 'taking turns' thing with Christmas Day, and if so do we know whose 'turn' it is?”
“
Any thoughts on this schedule / Christmas in general? Is there any truth in the 'taking turns' thing with Christmas Day, and if so do we know whose 'turn' it is?
”
My thoughts are that its so depressing to be talking about Xmas in September. Its like going into the supermarket and seeing the Xmas stuff on the shelves.
Originally Posted by yorkie100:
“My thoughts are that its so depressing to be talking about Xmas in September. Its like going into the supermarket and seeing the Xmas stuff on the shelves.”
“My thoughts are that its so depressing to be talking about Xmas in September. Its like going into the supermarket and seeing the Xmas stuff on the shelves.
”
It does happen every year on DS though - but I appreciate what you're saying... even if it does seem that everything I say you have a problem with
Originally Posted by H of De Vil:
“I was fed up of the auditions. Some of the episodes were a drag, but tomorrow looks really good. I find the 6 chair challenge a much more interesting format than previous bootcamp years.”
“I was fed up of the auditions. Some of the episodes were a drag, but tomorrow looks really good. I find the 6 chair challenge a much more interesting format than previous bootcamp years.”
Apparently they bin 57 of acts in just 3 minutes !! Does make you wonder what the point of putting them through in the first place was. Do they always do something similar?
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