The peak audience for Strictly is also quite worrying
The Ratings Thread (Part 61)
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Originally Posted by sheepiefarm:
“I'm curious to see how the ITV soaps fared now.”
“I'm curious to see how the ITV soaps fared now.”
I'd like to see them and Channel 4's offerings just to get rid of a nagging doubt in my mind. This is another case where the +1 look slightly odd. I'm not saying they're wrong - just that it would be nice to see more evidence instead of one data point.
Originally Posted by Fudd:
“I've been saying that for ages but the role of clashes is widely debated on here. Some FMs feel it's good to push the channels to try different things. I personally think there's so much rubbish airing across the schedule there's no reason to clash shows of a similar nature and dent viewer choice.”
“I've been saying that for ages but the role of clashes is widely debated on here. Some FMs feel it's good to push the channels to try different things. I personally think there's so much rubbish airing across the schedule there's no reason to clash shows of a similar nature and dent viewer choice.”
The half hour clashes are understandable on Saturdays imo, two long shows are bound to clash with them both wanting the best slot, but purposely putting a show in a slot it usually isn't in to create a clash is just pissing off viewers (and, yes, I know both sides have done this now.)
I said that there weren't enough viewers around on Friday night for Strictly & X Factor to get big ratings. If only one was on and not the other they would have been higher. I expected 6/7m so the ratings aren't too much of a surprise.
Those that said X Factor would go really low were proved right. Never should have been on Friday. The ego of scheduling. BBC1 and ITV were boosted at 9pm though after sitcoms and Piers Morgan didn't bring viewers in.
Who is happiest of all? Channel 4 with Gogglebox.
Those that said X Factor would go really low were proved right. Never should have been on Friday. The ego of scheduling. BBC1 and ITV were boosted at 9pm though after sitcoms and Piers Morgan didn't bring viewers in.
Who is happiest of all? Channel 4 with Gogglebox.
Originally Posted by guestofseth:
“The half hour clashes are understandable on Saturdays imo, two long shows are bound to clash with them both wanting the best slot, but purposely putting a show in a slot it usually isn't in to create a clash is just pissing off viewers (and, yes, I know both sides have done this now.)”
“The half hour clashes are understandable on Saturdays imo, two long shows are bound to clash with them both wanting the best slot, but purposely putting a show in a slot it usually isn't in to create a clash is just pissing off viewers (and, yes, I know both sides have done this now.)”
I agree. Pure unashamed cynicism on ITV's part that showed no respect for the viewer.
Originally Posted by SamuelW:
“Itv are clearly hoping that by damaging SCD's launch by about 1.5million viewers, that it will impact SCD for the rest of its series. They hope that by viewers missing out on its launch episode, they wont bother with the rest of the series.
I think the way Itv are looking at it is that they've aired 8 episodes of XF so far and know it can get about 8m on the weekends. And that they were willing to sacrifice one episode out of a total 30 episodes this series to damage SCD.”
“Itv are clearly hoping that by damaging SCD's launch by about 1.5million viewers, that it will impact SCD for the rest of its series. They hope that by viewers missing out on its launch episode, they wont bother with the rest of the series.
I think the way Itv are looking at it is that they've aired 8 episodes of XF so far and know it can get about 8m on the weekends. And that they were willing to sacrifice one episode out of a total 30 episodes this series to damage SCD.”
Possibly. I can't see it working. If Strictly falls this series it's because it's lost it's sparkle for some rather than because ITV decided to play silly beggars with the first live show.
Originally Posted by Fudd:
“I've been saying that for ages but the role of clashes is widely debated on here. Some FMs feel it's good to push the channels to try different things. I personally think there's so much rubbish airing across the schedule there's no reason to clash shows of a similar nature and dent viewer choice.”
“I've been saying that for ages but the role of clashes is widely debated on here. Some FMs feel it's good to push the channels to try different things. I personally think there's so much rubbish airing across the schedule there's no reason to clash shows of a similar nature and dent viewer choice.”
Exactly. ITV's schedule is only just coming to life after what feels like an eternity of absolute rubbish. BBC1 recently has been positing some really disappointing numbers, excluding Bake Off. I refuse to believe in all the hours of primetime they could not work together and create a strong schedule on both channels that help maintain their biggest hits.
Itv are clearly hoping that many of the 1.5m viewers who missed the SCD launch wont bother with the rest of the series. Even if it's 0.5m of those 1.5m viewers who dont return to watch, that would be a job done, as long as XF rebounds tonight.
But I dont think XF will rebound tonight because it is facing SCD for half an hour which will drag it down into the 7s.
But I dont think XF will rebound tonight because it is facing SCD for half an hour which will drag it down into the 7s.
Originally Posted by Dr. Linus:
“I agree. Pure unashamed cynicism on ITV's part that showed no respect for the viewer.”
“I agree. Pure unashamed cynicism on ITV's part that showed no respect for the viewer.”
But ITV have ended up with millions more watching their channel between 9 and 10 on a Friday night than they've had all year so in that respect it's been a success for them.
Originally Posted by tobi:
“The peak audience for Strictly is also quite worrying”
“The peak audience for Strictly is also quite worrying”
X Factor and Strictly were on the low side and X Factor's peak is due to +1 being added.
"@jscummins: Last night's @TheXFactor had an audience peak of 6.6 million viewers #TheXFactor"
Originally Posted by WelshNige:
“Indeed, it wouldn't surprise me if XF actually outrates SCD in the consolidated figures.”
“Indeed, it wouldn't surprise me if XF actually outrates SCD in the consolidated figures.”
Agree this is quiet possible,as was the case with the first clash.
I would expect both shows to be back to more normal figures tonight. And last night's numbers are far more embarassing for X Factor than Strictly.
Originally Posted by cwickham:
“I would expect both shows to be back to more normal figures tonight. And last night's numbers are far more embarassing for X Factor than Strictly.”
“I would expect both shows to be back to more normal figures tonight. And last night's numbers are far more embarassing for X Factor than Strictly.”
Yes far more embarrassing for Itv that XF was almost down to 5m. Also, SCD will crush XF during the overlap tonight and damage its average for the rest of the series ever Saturday night.
I don't really think there's any way to spin this as a success for ITV, despite the desperate attempts.
Just to punctuate the ongoing Strictly/X Factor buzz, I'd just like to point out that WILTY was up again from last week. Could be one of its highest ratings I think.
Originally Posted by WelshNige:
“Indeed, it wouldn't surprise me if XF actually outrates SCD in the consolidated figures.”
“Indeed, it wouldn't surprise me if XF actually outrates SCD in the consolidated figures.”
Indeed but unfortunately people seem to think that consolidated ratings only matter for Doctor Who and no other show.
Originally Posted by Mr_Eye:
“I don't really think there's any way to spin this as a success for ITV, despite the desperate attempts.”
“I don't really think there's any way to spin this as a success for ITV, despite the desperate attempts.”
Although many will try.
For big shows like Strictly and X Factor the overnights are still important, they're the numbers that appear in the headlines.
Originally Posted by Ben_Painter:
“Just to punctuate the ongoing Strictly/X Factor buzz, I'd just like to point out that WILTY was up again from last week. Could be one of its highest ratings I think.”
“Just to punctuate the ongoing Strictly/X Factor buzz, I'd just like to point out that WILTY was up again from last week. Could be one of its highest ratings I think.”
What did it get? Its current highest ever overnight is 4m for the first episode of S5, and its best overnight in the 8.30pm slot is 3.68m.
WILTY up again. I realise that's down to the SCD audience tuning in early, but if they saw the whole of Lee Mack's Teletubbies story and preferred that to what is apparently a currently poor CS next week, could we see another rise?
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Originally Posted by guestofseth:
“The half hour clashes are understandable on Saturdays imo, two long shows are bound to clash with them both wanting the best slot, but purposely putting a show in a slot it usually isn't in to create a clash is just pissing off viewers (and, yes, I know both sides have done this now.)”
“The half hour clashes are understandable on Saturdays imo, two long shows are bound to clash with them both wanting the best slot, but purposely putting a show in a slot it usually isn't in to create a clash is just pissing off viewers (and, yes, I know both sides have done this now.)”
I won't go on about the half hour clashes (except to say Strictly hardly sinks to sub 2m when airing between 6pm and 6.30pm
) but I agree about the extra shows. Saying that, the Strictly launch wasn't an extra show and it aired over the same weekend as last year. With the flop that was Tumble polluting Saturday nights they had little where else to put it without clashing with either Coronation Street or The X Factor.
Amazing rating for Gogglebox. I'm so surprised it did so well 
it's the rating of the night for me. It's well deserved too, as it's a brilliant show. Beat X Factor on the +1 option too!
Anyone think that X Factor and Strictly might struggle to gather momentum over the weekend now, after last night's disappointing clash? I can see some viewers returning to both shows tonight, but I think this first clash may harm the rest of the weekend's figures and both shows won't increase very much.
it's the rating of the night for me. It's well deserved too, as it's a brilliant show. Beat X Factor on the +1 option too! Anyone think that X Factor and Strictly might struggle to gather momentum over the weekend now, after last night's disappointing clash? I can see some viewers returning to both shows tonight, but I think this first clash may harm the rest of the weekend's figures and both shows won't increase very much.
Originally Posted by WelshNige:
“Indeed, it wouldn't surprise me if XF actually outrates SCD in the consolidated figures.”
“Indeed, it wouldn't surprise me if XF actually outrates SCD in the consolidated figures.”
Possible, but imo less possible than last time.
The launch show moved days this year, and Strictly always timeshifts less on Sundays, so the timeshift was most likely down because of the change of days, but last years Friday show added 1.5m and it's on the same day this year, so is more likely to post a similar timeshift to last year. I'm not saying it will add 1.5m again, but I'm saying it's less likely to timeshift so low that X Factor can take over.
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