Right about Netlix, they haven't got much really.

Most of the time BBC/ITV together have closer to 33% of total audience. And a small total audience at that.

Eventually these "50%" shows won't work anymore, rather like the soaps they become tired. And what will they do then? Where are the new shows?

No not at all. I was just stating a fact. Last nights rating is woeful, no denying that, but with singing shows all in decline being no1 is still important.

I thought of this thread when I read a ratings article in this week's Radio Times:

"Strictly's launch programme went up against the X Factor's Sunday instalment on 7 September, averaging 8.4m to the singing contest's 5.8m."

To be expected though for X Factor on a Friday night. Everyone uses catch up or records these days, overnights are very 1990s.

I'm surprised she bothered tweeting today. Even when she's had to resort to aggregated peaks in the past, she's never had to tweet anything that low.

According to the latest monthly "family" stats:

http://www.barb.co.uk/whats-new/mont...nel-group?_s=4

an average of 51.9% were watching ITV/BBC channels during the month of August...

K

I won't forget Tinky Winky's colour anytime soon.

Ben_Painter and others are interested in New Tricks timeshifts and possible oddities regarding them, so I thought I'd post these for Series 11 so far:

Ep 1 - Mon 18/08
[fully networked, v Long Lost Family on ITV, CBB launch on C5]
5.79m (25.0%) overnight
+ 0.03m tape-checking adjustment
+ 1.41m true timeshift after same day (+24%)
= 7.23m (26.5%) consolidated

Ep 2 - Mon 25/08 [BANK HOLIDAY}
[not shown in Scotland (high-rating debate), v Long Lost Family on ITV]
5.84m (23.8%) overnight [including Scotland]
— 0.98m removal of viewers in Scotland / any tape-checking adjustment
+ 0.65m true timeshift after same day (+13%)
= 5.51m (19.5%) consolidated

Ep 3 - Mon 01/09
[not shown in Northern Ireland, v Long Lost Family on ITV]
5.28m (23.1%) overnight [including NI]
— 0.08m removal of viewers in NI / any tape-checking adjustment
+ 0.62m true timeshift after same day (+12%)
= 5.82m (22.2%) consolidated

Ep 4 - Mon 08/09
[fully networked, v England qualifier on ITV]
4.91m (21.7%) overnight
+ 0.03m tape-checking adjustment
+ 1.31m true timeshift after same day (+27%)
= 6.25m (23.7%) consolidated

Ep 5 - Mon 15/09
[fully networked, v Cilla on ITV]
4.22m (18.8%) overnight
+ 1.25m increase (any tape-checking adjustment + true timeshift after same day) (+30%)
= 5.47m (20.4%) consolidated

Ep 6 - Mon 22/09
[not shown in Northern Ireland, v Cilla on ITV]
4.75m (21.3%) overnight [including NI]

Sources: DS, Broadcast magazine, D.M.N.

I think those do make sense: the biggest timeshifts have occurred for:

- ep 1 (before some people decided they didn't like the new team, and also showing against the live CBB launch rating way above C5's norm);
- ep 4 (against a live England football qualifier on ITV);
- and going by the crude timeshift, ep 5 (drama v drama).

The two episodes with the smallest timeshifts were against the factual show Long Lost Family and did not face any live events on the main channels.

TXF got 6.7 million last night, serves ITV right for overkill. I hope it falls tonight as well, as Cowell and ITV are hammering it now to the point viewers are getting fed up. However, walking past the newspaper stand today in Morrisons, all other newspapers but The Sun had Iraq on the front cover, The Sun's typical headline X FACTOR EXCLUSIVE. Is there some kind of love in between this trash newspaper and TXF?

And yet almost 90% of television viewing continues to be live/same-day. And as I mentioned, ITV and other commercial broadcasters accrue only a small benefit from PVR viewing, and so overnights - and indeed live viewing - are very important to them. You're right in that PVR/catch-up usage is increasing gradually with time; this is one reason for ITV's diversification away from reliance on advertising spots.


Did they forget to include HD, I wonder?

Ah, maybe. It made me smile and think of this thread.

Spin worthy of SamuelW there.

Strictly's Friday show timeshifted 1.5m last year, someone said. Safe to expect last night's show to do at least the same, giving the much tougher competition it had to face this year, so should consolidate to over 8m, which should put it third in BBC1's weekly chart behind Bake-Off and tonight's Strictly. So not bad when all's said and done. It's down on what it usually gets, but of course it is. It had to face much tougher competition.

Not sure ITV would have been over-enthusiastic about last night's clash. I think that scheduling is down to Cowell and his ego. Probably a clause he had inserted into the new contract.

X Factor is, of course, on next Friday as well when it will face much weaker competition, so it should achieve (you would think!) a higher overnight than last night's Strictly, even excluding +1. So I suppose that will give X Factor some sort of bragging rights.

On the same weekend last year

Saturday
Strictly: 9.19m
X Factor: 7.83m (bit up on Strictly's Friday night figure of 7.81m)

Sunday
X Factor: 9.46m

Figures from Broadcast so may not be tape-checked.

So about 12m average.

52% sounds impressive until you see how few people it is. "Share" is a term that obscures not reveals.

What would be more interesting is the average number of people watching BBC/ITV from 5 years ago. Might well have been about 60%, but 60% of a larger total audience so I'm guess closer to 15m average.

I too have seen the The Great Fire trailer and I too think it's not going to rate very well at all., especially if it's down for Thursdays which did Breathless and Chasing Shadows no favours.

But kudos to ITV for being willing to make something like this. I'm sure it'll sell well abroad (maybe that's why they're screening it now; so they can use the 350th anniversary in 2016 as a selling point rather than say "Oops, sorry, you've missed the nice-sounding anniversary, but you can show it to coincide with the 351st anniversary) and it'll be good to repeat on ITV3 and possible ITV Encore.

Your anti BBC/ITV posts are now more repeated than shows on Dave.

You have been answered every time and pointed out your wrong.

You then try to change your answer going back five years.

Please note-: In the last five years,

More channels have opened.
Satellite TV has grown stronger and fragmented the TV audience, it's sometime no channel can stop, as each niche broadcaster will take a slice of mainstream broadcast.
IPlsyer and catch up services have come in and become popular.
People now schedule the TV services they want to see and when, I just watched Graham Norton on Saturday afternoon as my wife watched something else last night.

52% is impressive when there are hundreds of TV channels, Movies on, eating out, Gym, pubs Netflix etc.

unfortunately, we don't have the historical data going back that far. Best we've got is this, which only covers BBC1/2+ITV1+HD++1:

http://www.barb.co.uk/trendspotting/...f-viewing?_s=4

which shows BBC1 roughly static, BBC2/ITV1 dropping slightly...

K

I started watching Our Zoo today. My viewing of a lot of Drama just wouldn't get counted. It stacks up and I pick what I want to see. Had time this afternoon and wanted something easy to view.

As for Our Zoo it is weekend drama not mid week 9 pm drama. It is excellent and should be in Sunday family time slot at 8pm or earlier.

BBC 1
13:45: Doctors - 1.23m (19.1%)
19:00: The One Show - 3.39m (19.0%)
19:30: A Question of Sport - 3.20m (16.7%)
20:00: EastEnders - 6.35m (31.1%)
* BBC 3 repeat at 22:30 - 414k (2.8%)
20:30: Would I Lie to You? - 3.33m (15.4%)
21:00: Strictly Come Dancing - 6.53m (28.5%)
* Peak of 6.67m (28.7%)
22:00: BBC News at Ten - 4.40m (24.1%)
22:30: BBC Regional News - 4.04m (25.1%)
22:40: The Graham Norton Show - 3.14m (24.1%)

BBC 2
19:00: Mastermind - 0.99m (5.6%)
19:30: Lorraine Pascale: How to Be a Better Cook - 1.00m (5.2%)
20:00: Gardeners’ World - 2.32m (11.4%)
20:30: Golf: Ryder Cup Highlights - 1.57m (7.0%)
22:00: Mock the Week - 1.38m (7.6%)

ITV
19:00: Emmerdale - 6.07m (34.0%)
* +1 - 150k (0.7%)
19:30: Coronation Street - 6.92m (36.3%)
* +1 - 117k (0.5%)
20:00: Gino’s Italian Escape - 2.38m (11.6%)
20:30: Coronation Street - 6.93m (32.1%)
* +1 - 160k (0.7%)
21:00: The X Factor - 5.28m (23.3%)
* +1 - 560k (2.5%)
* Peak of 5.60m (24.3%)

Channel 4
18:30: Hollyoaks - 0.704m (4.4%)
20:00: The Million Pound Drop - 1.00m (4.8%)
21:00: Gogglebox - 1.89m (8.2%)
* +1 - 782k (4.7%)
22:00: Alan Carr: Chatty Man - 0.92m (5.7%)

Channel 5
13:15: Home and Away - 0.223m (3.4%)
13:45: Neighbours - 0.615m (9.5%)
17:30: Neighbours - 0.653m (5.0%)
18:00: Home and Away - 0.502m (3.4%)
* 5* First Look at 18:30 - 0.389m (2.4%)
21:00: Body of Proof - 0.599m (2.6%)

ITV 2
22:00: The Xtra Factor - 0.505m (2.9%)

E4
19:00: Hollyoaks - 0.682m (3.8%)
* +1 - 127k (0.6%)

Sources - DMN, DS

Broadcast mag doesn't tape-check; the daily online Broadcast reports do. Not a huge difference on this occasion. Tape-checked from DS:

Saturday 28 September 2013
Strictly: 9.11m (43.4%)
* scheduled for 19:00-20:25 but over-ran slightly with the 20:25-20:30 period rating lower (7.75m approx.)

The X Factor: 7.60m (34.6%) / 7.83m (35.7%)
* apparently ran to time

Sunday 29 September 2013
X Factor: 9.18m (37.3%) / 9.46m (38.5%)
* apparently ran to time

Remember there was a 10-minute clash for X Factor on the Saturday last year, 11% of the 90-minute broadcast slot. Tonight it's 30 minutes out of 80 (37.5%). I think X Factor will be struggling to post a figure above 7m including +1.

BARB have extended the PVR/catch-up window for officials from 7 to 28 days and have published the 28-day figures separately. They add a very small amount to the 7-day figures and by implication viewing past 28 days would also add a very small amount. So the vast majority of TV viewing does get counted.

From DS


Lol, what?

That is amazing!

That's the problem when they cut & paste the same phrases, you make the odd mistake.

Viewing of the 21:00 hour (including same-day timeshift of that hour) averaged 22.9m, up from 19.7m last Friday.