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Its interesting how some are comparing GBBO with The X Factor, both reality shows but very different in content. One is about baking (and yet still has producer manipulation) and the other about singing (with obvious manipulation).
You can't compare them. Compare The Voice with TXF, Strictly and GBBO with BGT. The X Factor is more like Big Brother with its obvious manipulation. Strictly, GBBO and BGT cover it up a bit more to make them more friendly and cosy programmes. EDIT: 2.3m for Celebrity Squares? I guess they're hoping to get a boost once Bake Off finishes. What's following it on BBC One, does anyone know? |
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I agree with that though it does beg the question how the same production company can get create a softer tone for Britain's Got Talent than The X Factor. Especially when the former started off as the far nastier show.
EDIT: 2.3m for Celebrity Squares? I guess they're hoping to get a boost once Bake Off finishes. What's following it on BBC One, does anyone know? |
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The Job Lot got only 300k excl+1 last night. Pretty poor really.
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Another poor figure for ITV2. Will Celebrity Juice see another decline tonight? |
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Thanks. Struggler against flop - could be an interesting battle.
Another poor figure for ITV2. Will Celebrity Juice see another decline tonight? No point commissioning another series of Celeb Squares. Its a lost cause. 2.4m against 8M+ is not good enough, its lost 1m from its premiere. Even if it rises over 3m, its not worth keeping another middling show on the main channel. We have enough of them presently (The Cube, Mr and Mrs, Big Star Little Star, Life stories) |
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Over 10m for Bake Off next week then
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But then the dramas are getting completely different preceding programmes and post progrmmes.
Celeb Squares 2.2m S&B 3.8m News 2m GBBO 9m+ Our Zoo 4.5m News 4m Our Zoo is getting a much better supporting slot than S&B. Quite frankly Our Zoo should have not dropped below 4m. Its got so many factors for it to do well. |
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Thanks. Struggler against flop - could be an interesting battle.
Another poor figure for ITV2. Will Celebrity Juice see another decline tonight? |
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I think I agree with all you've written. The X-Factor dilemma is a tricky one but also a worrying one. It demonstrates further just how weak British television is these days if just one day's schedule is causing such problems. As few as just twenty years ago you would have monster schedules on both channels at the same time because there genuinely was far more choice on the two main channels back then. Okay, ITV would usually have around 4-5m more viewers but if an ITV drama got 13m you could bet that BBC1's opposition got a healthy 10m to counter it. Now we have both BBC1 and ITV running scared of a just a handful of hits. I think that is something that needs addressing.
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Let them down slightly after very strong figures 8PM-10PM. Share is still okay but as for why it's continuing to lose viewers, that would be beyond me. Starting to think Five's drama output is cursed as nothing will stick. A lot resting on Gotham. If even that doesn't rate maybe we'll start to see less drama on the main channel and an increased focus on factual/reality as well as some comedy.
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I still don't quite understand the fuss over the edit..
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I agree with that though it does beg the question how the same production company can get create a softer tone for Britain's Got Talent than The X Factor. Especially when the former started off as the far nastier show.
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Its lowest point was 3 98m for episode 3, so only fractionally under, but yes, the BBC were probably expecting more. How much more, when it faced S&B from week 2, it's hard to say. With a 21:00 slot the family audience was limited. I feel sure it will get a repeat run, maybe Sunday teatimes or over Christmas.
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I think there was a lot of wishful thinking about ITV2 turning itself round. A lot of new stuff started together but all seem to be falling now and when they have finished whats on then? If it can imporve it will take a long time and maybe needs a real new vision.
* Most of the crap moves across to ITV Be overnight, except The Jeremy Kyle Show; * Up to four hours a day of You've Been Framed! to fill newly vacated slots; * US sitcom Two and a Half Men returns at a new time of 7PM; * Royal Pains (which airs first on Universal) receives Freeview premiere on weeknights at 6PM; * Repeats of flops like Winners & Losers and Up All Night air on weekday mornings. |
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Thanks. Struggler against flop - could be an interesting battle.
Another poor figure for ITV2. Will Celebrity Juice see another decline tonight?
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Also the first episode was up against a Scots opt out in the run up to the referendum so all in all it was not an advantageous slot for a new drama. Everybody saying it had a 8m lead in and should have done better say the same thing everytime after a big show. But what has ever done well in those circumstances - I am certainly struggling to think of anything.
Our Zoo didn't even match any of these, even Atlantis had 5.5m |
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Any soap ratings? No DS report yet.
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Any soap ratings? No DS report yet.
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Key changes to watch for on ITV2 when ITV Be launches next week:
* Most of the crap moves across to ITV Be overnight, except The Jeremy Kyle Show; * Up to four hours a day of You've Been Framed! to fill newly vacated slots; * US sitcom Two and a Half Men returns at a new time of 7PM; * Royal Pains (which airs first on Universal) receives Freeview premiere on weeknights at 6PM; * Repeats of flops like Winners & Losers and Up All Night air on weekday mornings. I'm pretty sure repeats of TV Burp would would do over 700k at 7pm. I would also get the rights to more films, Disney films, Dreamworks etc. Put some real effort into making the channel a comedy, family, entertainment channel. |
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If I was in charge of ITV2 I would be getting the rights back to TV Burp and repeating that from series 1 at 7pm on weekdays with YBF at 6pm for 1hr.
I'm pretty sure repeats of TV Burp would would do over 700k at 7pm. I would also get the rights to more films, Disney films, Dreamworks etc. Put some real effort into making the channel a comedy, family, entertainment channel. A greater emphasis on films seems inevitable for ITV2 in the long run to shore up share. |
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The Job Lot got only 300k excl+1 last night. Pretty poor really.
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Key changes to watch for on ITV2 when ITV Be launches next week:
* Most of the crap moves across to ITV Be overnight, except The Jeremy Kyle Show; * Up to four hours a day of You've Been Framed! to fill newly vacated slots; * US sitcom Two and a Half Men returns at a new time of 7PM; * Royal Pains (which airs first on Universal) receives Freeview premiere on weeknights at 6PM; * Repeats of flops like Winners & Losers and Up All Night air on weekday mornings. |
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I think Gold already has TV Burp covered. Although personally as much as I liked this show back in the day it would most certainly not work for me in repeat form with clips that are no longer current or relevant. I thought it was a strange buy by Gold but it must be working because it's still a key part of their schedule AFAIK.
A greater emphasis on films seems inevitable for ITV2 in the long run to shore up share. |
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Bet the repeat on ITV on friday at 10.40 gets at least twice that.
No great surprise to see it struggling. It was recommissioned more out of hope than expectation as the numbers it was getting were nothing short of abysmal for a Monday at 9:30 on ITV. |
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What did it get there last week, does anyone know ?
No great surprise to see it struggling. It was recommissioned more out of hope than expectation as the numbers it was getting were nothing short of abysmal for a Monday at 9:30 on ITV. |
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Does not that just highlight that there is not enough programming for ITV2 and ITVBe?
Now they are just throwing in flop imports into daytime and early evening. They also rely on the same films; Evan Almighty, The Mummy 3, Despicable Me, About a Boy, Scooby Doo 2 etc. |
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Yes DMN if possible could you get hold of the rating for The Job Lot on Friday please? Of anyone else who has access
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Let them down slightly after very strong figures 8PM-10PM. Share is still okay but as for why it's continuing to lose viewers, that would be beyond me. Starting to think Five's drama output is cursed as nothing will stick. A lot resting on Gotham. If even that doesn't rate maybe we'll start to see less drama on the main channel and an increased focus on factual/reality as well as some comedy.
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They do seem to be having a rather tough time of it with drama as of late. Its a shame really because I think their instinct of trying to broaden their drama appeal is the right one it just hasn't really paid off with shows like Dallas, Under the Dome and now seemingly Wentworth. Although for at least two of those I suppose the quality of the show hasn't exactly helped them. It'll be interesting to see how Gotham does for them. As you say if it doesn't work out then I suspect they'll have to go back to the drawing board.
The airing of Neighbours and Home and Away on Viva makes me wonder whether Viacom are considering merging Viva and 5*, to me, it would be good as 5* has struggled with competing with the likes of ITV2 and E4 and merging them and creating a new channel would help be competitive although I would move certain shows like The Walking Dead to 5USA. |
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