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Where in the BBC's remit does it state one of its aims is to maximise audience share?
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Could we please cut out the X Factor chat, it's tedious. If you're so fascinated by the show then go to the proper forum.
![]() ![]() If this, if that... people have been predicting the end for XF and IAC (and all manner of entertainment & reality shows) since 2007. And both shows rate higher now than they did in 2007. Eventually you'll be right. Much like a stopped clock will tell the right time every 12 hours. Everyone said the IAC line-up was crap last year and it hit record numbers. X Factor was down all of 3% last year. Corrie will obviously rebound in the autumn to more than 7m although the trends suggest it will be down year on year. Chances are that itv will do better in the autumn than they have the rest of the year. where they have turned in some dismal performances But DA, IAC and the soaps are coming off hard to beat years and they're missing 8 hours of Doc Martin doing 9m a week. Between Broadchurch, Doc Martin, Lewis and Scott & Bailey, ITV are down around 30 hours of good drama ratings this year that they'll have on hand next year. And in regards to ITV drama, Lewis and Scott & Bailey return this Autumn. http://www.itv.com/presscentre/press...es-autumn-2014 |
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Doctor Who and XF can live together. DW brings in a whole new TV audience that probably watch mainly sci-fi shows on demand and online.
Last year DW 50th averaged 10.2m against a weaker XF which got 7.6m. Massive ratings for both. If we speculate that DW should return with a strong 8m then XF the following weekend could take some of those viewers away for its premiere and potentially still get over 10million. DW should be able to hold 6.5m+ against it. Remember this episode will be around 50minues long and XF around 1hr 30mins. The audience can build for TXF after DW finishes. |
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Doctor Who and XF can live together. DW brings in a whole new TV audience that probably watch mainly sci-fi shows on demand and online.
Last year DW 50th averaged 10.2m against a weaker XF which got 7.6m. Massive ratings for both. If we speculate that DW should return with a strong 8m then XF the following weekend could take some of those viewers away for its premiere and potentially still get over 10million. DW should be able to hold 6.5m+ against it. Remember this episode will be around 50minues long and XF around 1hr 30mins. The audience can build for TXF after DW finishes. Once the lives come round it will be up against Atlantis rather than Who which should help it a bit. |
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On a different note, I have to say ITV's new daytime show Judge Rinder is hysterically bad. I spent most of it in hysterics although I'm not sure if it was meant to be so funny
![]() Hope it rates better than their recent efforts just for how amusing it was. No doubt it'll do just as badly as The Speakmans though. |
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Always one of them say they'll sink Strictly, always there's rows amongst the judges, and a sacking that probably isn't a sacking. A judge won't be comfortable at auditions. There'll be a prostitute/escort scandal, someone lying about their age and an illegal immigrant/ benefit cheat. All leaked to the Press as big shocks when they probably know about them now.
X Factor 'fix' scandal: Cheryl Cole and Louis Walsh BLASTED by audience during boot camp And of course, we all know that it's not fixed .... |
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X Factor is only watched by an eighth of the population, if the BBC decide to roll over and not schedule anything of note just because an eighth of the population want to watch something on the other side then they probably aren't doing their job. Besides it's not like EastEnders and Corrie, X Factor and Doctor Who are very different shows - if you like both then well done you for having a diverse taste, but it's not like there's massive crossover in audiences, as evidenced by the fact X Factor was hardly dented at all by the 10m watching 'Day of the Doctor' last November.
Sorry - realised you were meaning SCD and X Factor. But still, fairly different audience profiles. |
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And, at least in the initial weeks, with both show coming in at 2 to 2 and a half hours each and being scheduled as primetime Saturday evening entertainment shows (which is what they are), it would be impossible not to have at least an overlap without one being scheduled very early (too early?) and/or the other being scheduled late (too late?). Both shows are really trying to occupy what for them is the best slot.
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I think there's an episode of it on YouTube but I've never plucked up the courage to watch it. But it was a huge show, I think even the last episode, despite its appalling reviews, was clearing ten million. People were still watching it even if they hated it because the chance to see clips like this was still enough of a novelty to put up with the crap presentation. And it was also on Fridays at 8.30 which, previously, was a dreadful slot for the Beeb, pre-watershed Fridays were always weak on BBC1 in those days, Russ Abbott had been sent there on his way to the axe the previous autumn, so it wasn't just getting big ratings by default because it had no competition, people were specifically tuning in to see it. I reckon it must have doubled the slot average, at least.
10/1 - 13.35m (number 3 in BBC1 chart) 17/1 - 12.03m (number 7) 24/1 - 11.56m (number 5) 31/1 - 10.85m (number 10) 7/2 - failed to chart, meanwhile You've Been Framed got 19.02m 14/2 - 10.89m (number 9) 21/2 - failed to chart 28/2 - 10.42m (number 10) 6/3 - 10.46m (number 10) 13/3 - 10.38m (number 10) 20/3 - failed to chart So it dropped quite a bit during the run, but you can see what a big attraction it was when it began and there were still ten million people sticking with it to the bitter end when it was being slagged off relentlessly and everyone knew it wasn't going to get any better. But as you can see with the rating You've Been Framed got, the genre was such big news, and the fact it failed to do anything to dent You've Been Framed (I think that 19.02m might be its highest ever rating) illustrates what a waste of time it all was. Quote:
As I am on a Gladiators marathon, I am wondering, does anyone know what it was rating for each series on ITV between 1992-2000? I'm wondering how it compares to ITV now.
I remember it started to go wrong with the second series of International Gladiators which for some reason started in April 1996, and I seem to remember all the British interest going out early doors and so the ratings collapsed and they dumped the final episodes of that run out very early, around 5pm. After that it never really seemed the same show, I think it was still popular among kids and young people (we watched it while at university) but didn't do much in terms of numbers. In 1997 the decline was such that they commissioned Ice Warriors to take over from it (fat lot of good that did, of course, it did even worse) then the last full series in 1998 didn't do much. So they officially dropped it and the final four part series in 1999 was commissioned to give it a proper ending, but was a purely fans-only affair with the first two episodes at 5pm and the third on the afternoon of Christmas Day. After it ended, of course, the Gladiators production team went on to Grudge Match but that did even worse and it ended up getting relegated to mid-afternoons. Quote:
I wouldn't be so sure. Anyone who caught 5 minutes of it will see the ITV show and think "Channel 4 already did this", even if they do it much better. It's not going to seem like a new and exciting idea. I don't see it doing well.
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Same time, 19:50, but apart from that the latest airing so far of a new episode on BBC One since 2006 was 14 April 2007, at 19:40 ("Gridlock").
EDIT: I checked and all the 2005 episodes started at 19:00 (with one at 18:30 due to Eurovision) so 19:50 is the latest the revival episodes have ever started. |
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Mmm interesting as "Gridlock" isn't my most fond episodes so I wonder if that later time adds viewers. It will be interesting to see if this is the case going out later. I reckon that slot is great for the show, a pity it may go against "The X Factor" and not get a free run. Its quite aggressive of BBC one to pitch it against Simon Cowells show. I don't quite know what will happen in the overnights but "The X Factor" will not climb as high as it could do fighting "Doctor Who" going out, and give "Strictly Come Dancing" a chance of those headlines that's its leading if "Doctor Who" shaves viewers off itv
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Steve what did chart on BBC 1 during one typical week when "Caught In The Act" aired?
I'd like to know out of interest what a typical week got in terms of millions compared to the reduced figures today. Whovians swearing?? Surely not |
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Thanks to Steve Williams for the CITA ratings.
I guess the BBC, having gone down the route of doing their own clip show, felt they at least should try to make the show feel a bit different to the Beadle version. However it still amazes me that they managed to make such a hash of what was a golden format at the time. People were falling over themselves to watch YBF, and the fact that CITA tailed off so badly is testament to the absolute mess it was. |
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Ratings delayed apparently.
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Just seen the news of Robbie's death. Can't believe it gutted. RIP Robin.
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The demise of X Factor won't start this year, I think it'll get a boost in the ratings. The big unknown is how it will do when it faces Doctor Who. Will Doctor Who rate higher than Atlantis or similar when it clashes with X Factor? Will X Factor rate well regardless or is another slip in ratings on the cards? We just don't know.
And in regards to ITV drama, Lewis and Scott & Bailey return this Autumn. http://www.itv.com/presscentre/press...es-autumn-2014 |
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Just seen the news of Robbie's death. Can't believe it gutted. RIP Robbie.
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Just seen the news of Robbie's death. Can't believe it gutted. RIP Robbie.
Still very sad
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I think given the choice between a well made drama with decades of experience and a disposable, trashy singing/reality show, people will opt for DW. CTM did the unthinkable and killed off DOI and it proves with a decent alternative people won't always choose the lowest common denominator. Drama is in the long term a bigger earner for television, it makes millions in DVD sales and exports and can be repeated for years to come. TXF, for all it does make money when it's being shown, has nothing in the long term as it would be impossible to make a series into a DVD and no one would watch a repeat run.
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I'd love to believe that's always true, but although DW50 beat TXF comfortably last November, DW did lose out quite badly around 2006/7 when it was up against BGT. I suspect that TXF will win the overnight battles more often than not this year, while DW may edge ahead on at least some weeks when the officials come out (and would win comfortably if Iplayer figures were included, which still - for whatever reason - does not seem to have happened officially yet).
Yet the big worry for ITV is if viewers tire of TXF, poor singers and a poor panel, and it loses a couple of million viewers as they are committed to it for another three series. |
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I think given the choice between a well made drama with decades of experience and a disposable, trashy singing/reality show, people will opt for DW. CTM did the unthinkable and killed off DOI and it proves with a decent alternative people won't always choose the lowest common denominator. Drama is in the long term a bigger earner for television, it makes millions in DVD sales and exports and can be repeated for years to come. TXF, for all it does make money when it's being shown, has nothing in the long term as it would be impossible to make a series into a DVD and no one would watch a repeat run.
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I'd love to believe that's always true, but although DW50 beat TXF comfortably last November, DW did lose out quite badly around 2006/7 when it was up against BGT. I suspect that TXF will win the overnight battles more often than not this year, while DW may edge ahead on at least some weeks when the officials come out (and would win comfortably if Iplayer figures were included, which still - for whatever reason - does not seem to have happened officially yet).
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Dallas starts on C5 on wed 27th August according to Soaplife magazine
Big School is in the next week section of TV Times so on in the week of 23-29 August. 12 Things on in the next few months according to Radio Times New Tricks BBC1 The Fall BBC2 Grantchester ITV Doctor Who BBC1 Grantchester ITV The Missing BBC1 The Great Fire ITV Last Tango In Halifax BBC1 The Driver BBC1 Cilla ITV Marvellous BBC2 Downto Abbey ITV Peaky Blinders BBC2 Things on at the same time in the new season according to TV Times Strictly BBC1 I'm a Celeb ITV Chasing Shadows ITV Our Zoo BBC1 Our Girl BBC1 X Factor ITV Lewis ITV Atlantis BBC1 Scott and Bailey ITV The Apprentice BBC1 Suprise Suprise ITV The Secrets BBC2 For the Love of Dogs ITV Trollied Sky 1 |
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The X Factor still generates a lot of money for ITV. Had Doctor Who been facing another year of X Factor with last year's judges and format, I could see Doctor Who being ahead. You can't rule out a positive effect that changes will have on this year's X Factor.
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It is a big money spinner, well so it should be with the amount ITV pay Cowell, but unlike DW, it can't make any money in the future as repeating it would be a massive commitment and it's such a huge series, you'd need a whole rack for the DVDs. However, same can be said of most LE shows, they are instant programmes.
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This was announced for BBC One, so it's either a mistake on TV Times' part or it's been moved. I suppose BBC Two would be a better fit for it, it would have only ended up after the news on BBC One anyway.
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