The Ratings Thread (Part 61)

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Fudd

05-10-2014

Originally Posted by James J:
“ITV could also air the show later in the Autumn / away from the Summer of 2015, stripping auditions across 5 weeknights rather than consecutive weeks.

There's a momentum issue. XF's live shows should start around the same time as Strictly's

Another option is moving XF to Sunday nights with 2 shows:

19:00 - The X Factor
20:30 - Sunday Night at The Palladium
21:30 - The X Factor Results
22:00 - News at Ten

But that would obviously raise questions about where to put Downton Abbey, etc.

-sigh-”

There's no reason why they couldn't air Downton at 8.30pm.

But... they could switch it to Sunday and Monday nights. BBC One tends to skew older on Sunday's and lacks a 9m show on Monday to dent The X Factor.

Spoiler

That would leave Saturday's barren though.

yorkie100

05-10-2014

Originally Posted by lewiep93:
“Roll on Christmas when all these talent shows are over. Oh hang on, we have The Voice to look forward to in January
”

Dont worry - I would bet all your money on The Voice being well down this year.

Leeah

05-10-2014

Poor from the Xfactor jeez

what's happening to this show, before xfactor was like this powerful show which constantly got good ratings and it's ratings didn't drop unlike other shows did, but to see the decline this year

Strictly got brill ratings. Not been a good week for itv really has it, it's 2 biggest shows beaten by shows on BBC (EE/SCD)

yorkie100

05-10-2014

Originally Posted by WelshNige:
“To be fair I think you make some good and valid points there, however I still think we need to wait and see how the live shows rate before proclaiming a terminal decline.”

I agree its a bit too early but the signs dont look good.

lewiep93

05-10-2014

Originally Posted by yorkie100:
“Dont worry - I would bet all your money on The Voice being well down this year.”

I'd love to know what the BBC's target is for it

C14E

05-10-2014

Originally Posted by leicslad46:
“The problem with X Factor is SC. I would watch it but for me his arrogance is a total turn off for me. I know it is his creation but he must fall on his sword to help the ratings.”

They just had 3 years without him and it's not like they got anywhere in that time - they lost several million viewers. And XF currently lags behind the other show he appears on. I don't think yet another change of judges is going to do anything.

Originally Posted by Fudd:
“Thanks.

It doesn't look QUITE so bad looking at those breakdowns.

Those figures don't match what was posted earlier - I presume this is excluding +1? ”

Yes, excluding +1.

The +1 figure was down quite a bit on last week.

It's not really the comparison with last week that's bad - it's a fairly minor change. It's the year on year one which is the first time a Saturday show has posted a notable decline this series.

Fudd

05-10-2014

Originally Posted by yorkie100:
“I agree its a bit too early but the signs dont look good.”

The whole point of the panel and contestant picks is to gain momentum in the live shows. I'm sure they expected a better starting point to go into the lives with, though.

Mr_Eye

05-10-2014

Originally Posted by lewiep93:
“I'd love to know what the BBC's target is for it ”

About 0.5 million less than it gets

yorkie100

05-10-2014

Originally Posted by leicslad46:
“The problem with X Factor is SC. I would watch it but for me his arrogance is a total turn off for me. I know it is his creation but he must fall on his sword to help the ratings. He could pull the plug on the show but that would leave itv high and dry on what to put to on in its place such is their heavy investment in the programme”

Its interesting that just a few weeks ago he was the saviour but now people are turning on him. Wonder what he has got to get his chestnuts out of the fire?

Leeah

05-10-2014

Originally Posted by J05h:
“That rating is atrocious for the x factor to be honest however In its defence I think having the Friday episode has not helped matters.

SCD had everything in its favour last night almost zero competition I mean YBF and The chase etc.

Also if people have been watching for 90 mins they are not going to flick over at 8pm etc.

X factor is facing a resurgent casualty and popular doctor who.

however X factor still has the highest rated show of either series this year and topped last weekend against countryfile which had 5 million viewers etc.

tonight is crucial if they get back to about 8.5 - 9 million they will be ok.”

Yeah but last nights rating was on a SATURDAY, it's usual day

yorkie100

05-10-2014

Originally Posted by Mr_Eye:
“About 0.5 million less than it gets ”

Ha Ha

Chris1964

05-10-2014

.....................cant help thinking how much better BBC1's line up last night looks WITHOUT the Lottery show!

Fudd

05-10-2014

Originally Posted by Leeah:
“Yeah but last nights rating was on a SATURDAY, it's usual day”

Fair point but I don't think the Friday shows helped momentum - almost as though people thought 'I missed one; I'm not as involved now'. Last Saturday's show was also down year-on-year; that statistic was lost slightly as Strictly saw a harsher decline.

James J

05-10-2014

Originally Posted by Chris1964:
“.....................cant help thinking how much better BBC1's line up last night looks WITHOUT the Lottery show!”

It's only a 10 minute show to be fair.

Jokanovic

05-10-2014

Originally Posted by James J:
“Test cards? Family Fortunes? Ant & Dec?

whatever, just let Strictly dance itself to a boring grave ”

It's much more fun seeing XF's slow painful death due to lack of interest

cylon6

05-10-2014

Originally Posted by C14E:
“Complete reversal of last week with a really strong Strictly number which is flat year on year. And this week it's X Factor which is down 1m to a frankly awful rating and continuing its pattern of being all over the place this series. Although I have a feeling tonight won't be much better - the judges houses stage needs work, IMO. The Sunday rating last year showed that.”

X Factor w should be higher tonight as Sunday is its best day and it isn't clashing with Strictly. I don't think longer clashes will be good for X Factor next week. But we will know one way or the other next Sunday morning.

C14E

05-10-2014

Originally Posted by Fudd:
“Fair point but I don't think the Friday shows helped momentum - almost as though people thought 'I missed one; I'm not as involved now'. Last Saturday's show was also down year-on-year; that statistic was lost slightly as Strictly saw a harsher decline.”

Last Saturdays show was up 20,000 on last year. Not much, but up nonetheless.

Chris1964

05-10-2014

Originally Posted by James J:
“It's only a 10 minute show to be fair.”

...I wouldn't mind the ten minute show-its the attached quiz that dulls the evening imo. If the Beeb could find the creativity/quality/finance to replace the quiz filler with other ideas throughout the year Saturday would be far more interesting imo.

.....ofcourse its probably the biggest "if" there is.

Jokanovic

05-10-2014

Originally Posted by Leeah:
“Poor from the Xfactor jeez what's happening to this show, before xfactor was like this powerful show which constantly got good ratings and it's ratings didn't drop unlike other shows did, but to see the decline this year Strictly got brill ratings. Not been a good week for itv really has it, it's 2 biggest shows beaten by shows on BBC (EE/SCD)”

It's just a show that's fading. It happens. Viewers are just a bit bored with singing contests. They make too much of the judges. Going back to SC and CC was a huge mistake. They are the past.

AcerBen

05-10-2014

Originally Posted by Fudd:
“To switch up discussions on here let's say The X Factor is doomed and ITV will let it go after the current contract expires. What will they replace it with?

Will they move Britain's Got Talent from the spring?
Or air a second series a year?
Will they bring back Pop Idol or Popstars and hope that nostalgia helps with the show?
Have they (highly unlikely) got the next big thing up their sleeves?”

People are getting hysterical on here. There's no way ITV are going to cancel a show that can still top 9 million in officials. It's far more likely that they will negotiate a cheaper deal with Syco next time. It definitely had a bad night last night but let's wait and see how the lives do. It's almost certainly going to be down YOY again this year, but that doesn't mean it is finished. It's still one of the biggest shows on television for goodness sake. Yes, it used to be the biggest. I don't think anyone disagrees that it's not as big as it used to be, and no one expects it to ever start beating SCD.

I think starting the series in October and running to February might be an idea, but I don't think they'll move it out of the autumn altogether because they need something that pulls in viewers leading up to Christmas. They don't have anything else at the moment except for BGT, and there's just the risk that'll end up getting killed by SCD, and in any case it has far fewer episodes than TXF.

NeilVW

05-10-2014

Can't remember if this was posted, the 5-minute peak inc +1:

Quote:
“Jenny Cummins @jscummins ·
Last night's @TheXFactor peaked with 8.6 million viewers #JudgesHouses”

Saw quite a bit of calling for Barlow's return on Twitter. Not sure if it was ironic...

Fudd

05-10-2014

Originally Posted by C14E:
“Last Saturdays show was up 20,000 on last year. Not much, but up nonetheless.”

Sorry, was muddling it up with the share!

cylon6

05-10-2014

Originally Posted by AcerBen:
“People are getting hysterical on here. There's no way ITV are going to cancel a show that can still top 9 million in officials. It's far more likely that they will negotiate a cheaper deal with Syco next time. It definitely had a bad night last night but let's wait and see how the lives do. It's almost certainly going to be down YOY again this year, but that doesn't mean it is finished. It's still one of the biggest shows on television for goodness sake. Yes, it used to be the biggest. I don't think anyone disagrees that it's not as big as it used to be, and no one expects it to ever start beating SCD.

I think starting the series in October and running to February might be an idea, but I don't think they'll move it out of the autumn altogether because they need something that pulls in viewers leading up to Christmas. They don't have anything else at the moment except for BGT, and there's just the risk that'll end up getting killed by SCD, and in any case it has far fewer episodes than TXF.”

ITV signed X Factor for three more series. It still gets 9/10m some weeks and the viewers advertisers crave. As you say, it's not going anywhere yet.

James J

05-10-2014

Originally Posted by NeilVW:
“Can't remember if this was posted, the 5-minute peak inc +1:

Saw quite a bit of calling for Barlow's return on Twitter. Not sure if it was ironic...”

Barlow could return as the '5th judge' for the highly-rumoured Wildcard category.

James J

05-10-2014

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