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Old 05-10-2014, 22:09
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I think the Monday rating for EastEnders will be one to watch to see if it continues the momentum from the wedding week. Is a 35% share on Monday likely after this last week?
I think it needs cliffhanger after cliffhanger for a good period to get viewers into the habit of watching it there and then. That's very hard to sustain and probably unrealistic but I think its the only way forward is to have a very dramatic ending to each episode for a period of time.
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Old 05-10-2014, 22:09
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September Overnight Average for the Big Three:

Coronation Street: 6.75m
down 1.48m yoy

EastEnders: 6.1m
down 620k yoy

Emmerdale: 5.61m
down 1.04m yoy

Overnight Average for the Big Three: (Jan-Sept)

Coronation Street: 7.25m
down 970k yoy

EastEnders: 6.37m
down 500k yoy

Emmerdale: 5.9m
down 600k yoy
Is it fair to say the soaps are in terminal decline? Even EastEnders down a bit despite all the shouting over how amazing it is now.

I'm only disappointed about Emmerdale. It's the only soap I watch now and it's been quite good lately.
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Old 05-10-2014, 22:10
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This is a different story where Treadwell Collins says that the soap is on the road to recovery and he was embarrassed by people claiming it was behind the other two.
What people? ED ratings wise has been behind EE most of the year so dont see where that argument is coming from.
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Old 05-10-2014, 22:10
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It's started at or shortly after 20:00 every Saturday so far this series. If they're going to start it at 19:30 it's imperative that they tell people, given the parlous state of the show on that day. Some viewers will watch little if any ITV all week, and many could assume that it will start at 20:00 as usual if they haven't heard any different. They can't bank on people scrutinising EPGs. And clearly paper listings won't show it at 19:30.

This is assuming they haven't in fact moved it of course.
Surely paper listings will show it at 19.30 as that's the start time which has been signed off?
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Old 05-10-2014, 22:16
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Surely paper listings will show it at 19.30 as that's the start time which has been signed off?
Brain freeze - I've edited that one late - sorry to confuse!
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Old 05-10-2014, 22:18
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http://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/e...p-back-4381556

Dominic Treadwell Collins on "EastEnders" ratings
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Old 05-10-2014, 22:19
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It's started at or shortly after 20:00 every Saturday so far this series. If they're going to start it at 19:30 it's imperative that they tell people, given the parlous state of the show on that day. Some viewers will watch little if any ITV all week, and many could assume that it will start at 20:00 as usual if they haven't heard any different. They can't bank on people scrutinising EPGs or listings.

This is assuming it hasn't in fact moved to 20:00, which opens up other problems.
BIB Why would that be?

(He asked, just in case Samuel isn't around atm to provide the answer!)

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Old 05-10-2014, 22:20
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It's started at or shortly after 20:00 every Saturday so far this series. If they're going to start it at 19:30 it's imperative that they tell people, given the parlous state of the show on that day. Some viewers will watch little if any ITV all week, and many could assume that it will start at 20:00 as usual if they haven't heard any different. They can't bank on people scrutinising EPGs or listings.

This is assuming it hasn't in fact moved to 20:00, which opens up other problems.
True - but on the night surely people check listings if your in at home to decide what to watch?! I know I do. I imagine lots will have it on series link as well and therefore the time of 19.30 wouldn't be an issue. I will be most definitely watching it on catch-up next Saturday. No way am I sitting through all those ads.
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Old 05-10-2014, 22:21
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I think it needs cliffhanger after cliffhanger for a good period to get viewers into the habit of watching it there and then. That's very hard to sustain and probably unrealistic but I think its the only way forward is to have a very dramatic ending to each episode for a period of time.
I agree. Unfortunately it would have to have a block of cliffhanger episodes for several months to sustain an audience surpassing Coronation Street
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Old 05-10-2014, 22:22
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BIB Why would that be?

(He asked, just in case Samuel isn't around atm to provide the answer!)

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Rearrange these words into the correct order:
Crisis. ITV. Reach. Weekly.

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Old 05-10-2014, 22:24
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Brain freeze - I've edited that one late - sorry to confuse!
I do that all the time.

I have to agree with dullagj2; I think this year is one of the stronger final 12s and, as alluded to earlier, a final 16 will allow them to get away with any casting errors they may have had. It's certainly stronger than last year - particularly the Overs and the Groups.
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Old 05-10-2014, 22:25
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Treadwell Collins defending "EastEnders" ratings in the Mirror after being aware it falling behind Emmerdale and Coronation Street in the public opinion. He obviously feels more confident about it getting to the number one position again with strong stories to feature. Time will tell.
Only behind when ED has the 30 minute head start? Check the rest of the week with no clashes, it's ahead of ED if we have a race and you get 30 minute head start I'm sure you'd win. I'd like ITV to start it straight on head to head at 7:30pm then we'll see
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Old 05-10-2014, 22:27
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if we have a race and you get 30 minute head start I'm sure you'd win. I'd like ITV to start it straight on head to head at 7:30pm then we'll see
Like when SCD has a head start on TXF?
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Old 05-10-2014, 22:29
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September Overnight Average for the Big Three:

Coronation Street: 6.75m
down 1.48m yoy

EastEnders: 6.1m
down 620k yoy

Emmerdale: 5.61m
down 1.04m yoy

Overnight Average for the Big Three: (Jan-Sept)

Coronation Street: 7.25m
down 970k yoy

EastEnders: 6.37m
down 500k yoy

Emmerdale: 5.9m
down 600k yoy
Is it possible to do this comparison but using the consolidated figures instead of the overnights?
I'm just curious to see if we get the same results.
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Old 05-10-2014, 22:30
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I have just been analysing data on BARB.co.uk. Here are some interesting statistics:

For week ending 21st September 2014, 37.7million people watched Itv SD for 3+ minutes.
For week ending 22nd September 2013, 39.9million people watched Itv SD for 3+ minutes.

That is a drop of 6pct for Itv in real terms. This is in line with lots of the c10pct yoy ratings declines Itv programs have been suffering recently. Incidentally Itv+1 was down in weekly reach too.

On the other hand, BBC1's weekly reach increased from 45.5million in 2013 to 45.8million in 2014. So the weekly reach gap between BBC One and Itv is getting wider, for that week about 8.1million more viewers watched BBC1 at least for 3mins compared to Itv. That is a fantastic advantage to have in terms of attracting viewing figures, when your general base level is about 21pct higher than your main rival channel!

That means instantly for any given new show being launched on BBC One, it is about 21pct more likely to hit a certain number [4million for example] compared to if that same show launched on Itv in the same slot against the same kind of competition/promotion and same kind of lead-in.

Incidentally, if we go back just 4 years for the same week... Itv weekly reach was 42.6million while BBC One was 47.2million. So BBC One's reach has declined 3pct, Itv SD's has gone down a massive 12pct in 4 years.
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Old 05-10-2014, 22:32
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Only behind when ED has the 30 minute head start? Check the rest of the week with no clashes, it's ahead of ED if we have a race and you get 30 minute head start I'm sure you'd win. I'd like ITV to start it straight on head to head at 7:30pm then we'll see
I'm only quoting what Treadwell Collins believed to be the perception of the serial by the general public, I'm not saying it is behind them or isnt behind the other two. He is discussing how "EastEnders" was viewed a year ago by the TV audience.
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Old 05-10-2014, 22:34
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Is it fair to say the soaps are in terminal decline? Even EastEnders down a bit despite all the shouting over how amazing it is now.

I'm only disappointed about Emmerdale. It's the only soap I watch now and it's been quite good lately.
Its a difficult one to answer. CS and ED have really only started to have big falls this year while EE has been suffering longer. Whether any can gain viewers form these levels for anything other than short periods/big storylines etc is completely unknown. It is however difficult to see at present CS/EE ever climbing back to numbers they had not that long ago.
We also need to take into account the different methods of viewing which boost the reach of the shows without being shown on the crude ratings which almost certainly is where some of the lost viewers have gone.
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Old 05-10-2014, 22:36
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Very poor attempt at one of my posts there, that is more like a Samuel post with the channels swapped round. Now if you think that's how I post, I suggest you click on the 'more posts by Andy23' button and have a look.



Bit ironic Glenn of all people jumping on this bandwagon, when you consider he just has about 6 posts that he posts every day, regardless of the matter in hand. Something about being in trouble if The Sun stops being interested, something about diehard Big Brother viewers, disliking entertainment as programmes are not repeatable, hating football, Love Island, etc.


I'm not anti-BBC, I am pro-ITV which is why I seem to stand out here considering the vast majority seem to be anti-ITV.

One thing we learnt today was that the 'triple crown' for ITV is apparantly TXF, Corrie and Downton, which presumably means that if IAC doesn't do as well, it won't be that important!

By the way, TXF was down because it's an 11 year old show and as people have got bored. As it was such a big show, it will only lose viewers, it won't gain new ones, as who would start watching at this point if they didn't watch in its heyday. No more analysis really required.



Continuity is the same in all regions except Scotland and Northern Ireland which have their own. I doubt anyone will remember what they said 6 days later though. They seem to be just employed as a voice thesedays, rather than being across the whole transmission. They seem to just treat it as another voice over gig among others they may have.
UTV has their own continuity and it is a breath of fresh air that they still acknowledge that the news comes from ITN

Regarding X Factor. It is arguable that the winner that you want and get may be two separate outcomes. They should strip the power of the judges when it goes to deadlock and give the result of who the PUBLIC voted off the show. To carry on with the present set up is one reason that some may have given up on the show. IMO
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Old 05-10-2014, 22:36
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I notice "Big School" seems a popular I player choice too, despite its overnights.
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Old 05-10-2014, 22:37
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Atlantis S1 2013

Ep 1, 28/9: 5.62m (25.3%) --> 7.36m [+1.74m]
Ep 2, 5/10: 5.06m (21.4%) --> 6.37m [+1.31m]
Ep 3, 12/10: 4.66m (19.9%) --> 6.24m [+1.58m]
Ep 4, 19/10: 4.70m (20.3%) --> 6.08m {+1.38m]
Ep 5, 26/10: 4.39m (19.0%) --> 5.61m [+1.22m]
Ep 6, 2/11: 4.46m (19.2%) --> 5.89m [+1.43m]
Ep 7, 9/11: 4.35m (18.0%) --> 5.52m [+1.17m]
Ep 8, 16/11: 4.24m (18.0%) --> 5.43m [+1.19m]
Ep 9, 30/11: 4.09m (17.4%) --> 5.26m [+1.17m]
Ep 10, 7/12: 4.07m (17.5%) --> 5.27m [+1.20m]
Ep 11, 14/12: 4.20m (17.8%) --> 5.34m [+1.14m]
Ep 12, 21/12: 5.59m (24.6%) --> 6.36m [+0.77m] - pimp slot in Strictly final sandwich
Ep 13, 28/12: 3.67m (15.8%) --> 4.90m [+1.23m]
Finished that one off for you.

Oo-er - the finale kind of got lost over Christmas.
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Old 05-10-2014, 22:38
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I think it needs cliffhanger after cliffhanger for a good period to get viewers into the habit of watching it there and then. That's very hard to sustain and probably unrealistic but I think its the only way forward is to have a very dramatic ending to each episode for a period of time.
I agree. Unfortunately it would have to have a block of cliffhanger episodes for several months to sustain an audience surpassing Coronation Street
It definitely needs to deliver strong episode after strong episode to keep viewers and gain them. I think after the Lucy murder week they didn't keep it going long enough, other storylines weren't as compelling.
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Old 05-10-2014, 22:43
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Finished that one off for you.

Oo-er - the finale kind of got lost over Christmas.
Thanks for that - I completely forgot it was 13 episodes.
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Old 05-10-2014, 22:48
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It definitely needs to deliver strong episode after strong episode to keep viewers and gain them. I think after the Lucy murder week they didn't keep it going long enough, other storylines weren't as compelling.
I think it did manage that in 2010 just before the anniversary, and they were able to say that they had overtaken "Coronation Street" regularly in ttime for its birthday episode. I would imagine the target is the same this time, but the task of persuading the public is much harder. Its reputation is damaged by dodgy episodes that disrupt the good ones. Consistency is the name of the game and "EastEnders" needs stamina if it going to outrate "Coronation Street" this time.
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Old 05-10-2014, 22:51
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I'm not anti-BBC, I am pro-ITV which is why I seem to stand out here considering the vast majority seem to be anti-ITV.
Do you really think that? As far as I can see there is only one anti ITV poster on here.
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Old 05-10-2014, 22:52
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Regarding X Factor. It is arguable that the winner that you want and get may be two separate outcomes. They should strip the power of the judges when it goes to deadlock and give the result of who the PUBLIC voted off the show. To carry on with the present set up is one reason that some may have given up on the show. IMO
Erm, they do do that.
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