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Looking back on it now, I would say it was a balance between both. Perhaps we could've put more passion and ambition into our pitches. Although having more knowledge would've helped as I was incredibly weak with trying to describe the models at first.
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A frequent comment I got from the buyers regarding your team was that they felt there was a lack of passion from your team - do you think you could have improved on this in hindsight? or do you think it is merely a result of your lack of knowledge and interest in art as a team? I do think the lack of knowledge and passion probably impacted it in some ways. For example, as Steve wasn't able to describe the artist's pieces he had chosen resulting in me and Iain having to describe and interpret it for him. |
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Honestly I think we'd lost the task before we'd even started. Very much there was a negative attitude towards the task right from the start particularly from Steve and clearly the other team put in a lot more thought and effort into their choices. I think the combination of the 2 was the ultimate reason for the lose though we all could have put in more effort had we tried. Of course our lack of knowledge didn't aid us either
As you state, it did seem like as a team you had a negative attitude towards this task and I noticed this on the task announcement thread - I was kinda disappointed in this as even if you aren't keen on the task, I expect you to get on with it and try your best and not to make a show of it on the main thread. It made it seem like you'd already accepted you'd lost from the beginning and were trying to make allowances from that on the thread, and the bit I've highlighted in bold from your bit in the post kind of reinforces that. Do you think this is a fair assessment? Do you think the negativity had a detrimental effect on your performance in this task?
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I do think the lack of knowledge and passion probably impacted it in some ways. For example, as Steve wasn't able to describe the artist's pieces he had chosen resulting in me and Iain having to describe and interpret it for him.
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Looking back on it now, I would say it was a balance between both. Perhaps we could've put more passion and ambition into our pitches. Although having more knowledge would've helped as I was incredibly weak with trying to describe the models at first.
Do you think you could have put more effort into this in terms of putting in further researching and gaining better knowledge on the your pieces of art? Surely you would have been able to find some interpretations of the art online if you searched hard enough?
To be completely honest I'm not really happy with the 'lack of knowledge' excuse for the failure of the task, and that goes for all of you. None of the members of the other team were art experts but they clearly eclipsed you in terms of performance on this task. Ignoring the 'lack of knowledge of art' claims, what else do you think lost this task for you? |
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As you state, it did seem like as a team you had a negative attitude towards this task and I noticed this on the task announcement thread - I was kinda disappointed in this as even if you aren't keen on the task, I expect you to get on with it and try your best and not to make a show of it on the main thread. It made it seem like you'd already accepted you'd lost from the beginning and were trying to make allowances from that on the thread, and the bit I've highlighted in bold from your bit in the post kind of reinforces that. Do you think this is a fair assessment? Do you think the negativity had a detrimental effect on your performance in this task? |
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I agree, I would add in hindsight (at the risk of sounding exactly like Tom in series 7) that the skeletons were a poor choice as we struggled to do decent pitches for them and as project manager I should have stepped in and said this isn't working lets choose a different artist, I'm happy to hold my hands up to that.
Both you and Naruto have said the skeletons were a poor choice - Steve, as the person who was pitching the skeletons, what are your views surrounding this?
Clearly the skeletons can't be put as the direct reason for losing this task, however, as you lost the other two pitches - do you think your choice of art for the other two pitches was the reason for this and would you have chosen different ones in hindsight? |
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Do you think you could have put more effort into this in terms of putting in further researching and gaining better knowledge on the your pieces of art? Surely you would have been able to find some interpretations of the art online if you searched hard enough? To be completely honest I'm not really happy with the 'lack of knowledge' excuse for the failure of the task, and that goes for all of you. None of the members of the other team were art experts but they clearly eclipsed you in terms of performance on this task. Ignoring the 'lack of knowledge of art' claims, what else do you think lost this task for you? |
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Both you and Naruto have said the skeletons were a poor choice - Steve, as the person who was pitching the skeletons, what are your views surrounding this? Clearly the skeletons can't be put as the direct reason for losing this task, however, as you lost the other two pitches - do you think your choice of art for the other two pitches was the reason for this and would you have chosen different ones in hindsight? |
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Both you and Naruto have said the skeletons were a poor choice - Steve, as the person who was pitching the skeletons, what are your views surrounding this?
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Both you and Naruto have said the skeletons were a poor choice - Steve, as the person who was pitching the skeletons, what are your views surrounding this? Clearly the skeletons can't be put as the direct reason for losing this task, however, as you lost the other two pitches - do you think your choice of art for the other two pitches was the reason for this and would you have chosen different ones in hindsight? |
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Okay, well obviously there's only three of you left on this team so I won't be asking you who to bring back to the final boardroom Iain, however I will send one of you back before the boardroom finishes.
Before I do that, however, I'd like to hear an honest answer to this question with reasoning from all of you - who do you think deserves to be fired based on this task? |
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In all fairness, I deserve to be fired as for the second time, I have shown to be weak and incompetent.
Whereas the other two have worked far much harder than I did, so neither of them deserve to go. |
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Okay, well obviously there's only three of you left on this team so I won't be asking you who to bring back to the final boardroom Iain, however I will send one of you back before the boardroom finishes. Before I do that, however, I'd like to hear an honest answer to this question with reasoning from all of you - who do you think deserves to be fired based on this task? |
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Okay, well obviously there's only three of you left on this team so I won't be asking you who to bring back to the final boardroom Iain, however I will send one of you back before the boardroom finishes. Before I do that, however, I'd like to hear an honest answer to this question with reasoning from all of you - who do you think deserves to be fired based on this task? |
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Thank you for your responses. Firstly, Naruto - your pitch received the most positive feedback out of all three of your pitches and from what I've heard from my advisor and evaluations it sounds like you worked hard on this task and still managed to produce a good pitch even though you were beaten by Shadi.
Naruto, you are not in danger of being fired and may leave the boardroom. |
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Thank you Lord Sugar.
Good luck Iain and Steve. |
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Well done Naruto, good job.
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Steve, as your team mates have pointed out as well as many others your constant negativity is glaringly obvious and starting to grate a bit. I appreciate your honesty, but it's a bit much at times and often unwarranted. Naming yourself as the weakest for two tasks in a row and stating you deserve to be fired is a disastrous move from a tactical point of view and the latter was unneeded considering I have not made a decision yet and you could very well be safe. What do you have to say about this?
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Iain, I don't know if you've read the feedback Aliyah posted yet but if you had you'll notice that one of the criticisms was your lack of pricing scheme and failure to answer when questioned. Pricing was not a specific requirement that I stated in the brief but when asked about it I would have expected you to give a proper answer and estimate a price rather than brushing the question away, I was extremely disappointed in your response. Furthermore, your answers were a bit on the brief side and possibly even shorter than Aliyah's questions, especially when you compare them to Aliyah's other pitch with Roxie in which she gave in depth responses that were clearly researched and well thought out, and did well to dispel any qualms Aliyah may have had over their pitch. Do you think you could have handled the Q&A aspect of the task better?
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All I can say is that I tried my best to do with what I did and to be honest, I don't care if others find all that I said was "a disastrous move", because it is what it is and there shouldn't be any need for sugar coating on this fact.
However, on the positive side, I was willing to work with any of the tasks as long I could show my main strengths and in all of the tasks before this one, I had no problem really, just not on the side of modern art and pitching. But whatever happens, at least I tried to do my best when the chance appeared and I have learnt a lot from this experience and I have got myself a lot of new friends and contacts out of it and I feel quite happy that I took part in this. |
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Iain, I don't know if you've read the feedback Aliyah posted yet but if you had you'll notice that one of the criticisms was your lack of pricing scheme and failure to answer when questioned. Pricing was not a specific requirement that I stated in the brief but when asked about it I would have expected you to give a proper answer and estimate a price rather than brushing the question away, I was extremely disappointed in your response. Furthermore, your answers were a bit on the brief side and possibly even shorter than Aliyah's questions, especially when you compare them to Aliyah's other pitch with Roxie in which she gave in depth responses that were clearly researched and well thought out, and did well to dispel any qualms Aliyah may have had over their pitch. Do you think you could have handled the Q&A aspect of the task better? |
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Before I make my final decision, do either of you have anything else you'd like to say?
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No, I believe I have said my piece.
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Before I make my final decision, do either of you have anything else you'd like to say? |
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