thats true you have given me new hope .

I don't think it has to be about performance. I think it's entriely reasonable to say someone should stay becuase they have potential or they've worked hard or even that they're fun to have around (which btw was pretty much Kim's reason for voting for Konnie).

But if someone's been using "tonight's performance" again and again, and then they suddenly switch to "tries hard an has come a long way", or whatever it was, then it's like changing the rules in the middle of a game.

The student vote is now a nasty tarpit and a potential show-ruiner.

I think Reggie would have understood a "tonight's performance" from Edith. I don't think he'd have seen it as a stab in the back. And I think a lot of people would have felt better about that, and would continue to feel that the student vote -- which has been almost completely uncontroversial up to now -- could be trusted not to produce a perverse result.

It is not at all clear that the public is voting on lots of grounds. What is clear is that the students were pretty reliably voting for the best performances, based on both singing and other entertainment factors, and have now switch to voting in some other way.

(When other reasons were given, it was usually, maybe always, when it didn't matter, because the "performance" vote was enough to determine the result.)

It's up to the students how they vote - they may be voting in a way to get the most money for the charity. Even if it's for their bestest mate, it really doesn't matter to me. Afterall, it's not like the real FA where the students are all vying for a record contract. These people already have careers.

Kim has been my favourite singer from the outset and gets my vote for that. I also like Ade because of his creative performances and humour. I find Reggie very likeable and he's always up for a laugh.

I take all of these factors into consideration, but if I were to vote on only the person whom I thought was the best singer, then I would be putting in only 1 vote per night. Because I am voting for people for different reasons it means that I make 3 votes per night so the charity is getting more money from me. Isn't that what it's all about?

thats the same as me,i vote ade and kim every night,i vote for the best singer and ade who cracks me up,he is a clever man.

and the winner gets .....votes for Charity .....oh come on people its COMIC RELIEF ...(will someone tell Kim that) ....

I know! ... I feel really pleased that I'll now be putting even more votes for Kim because it means even more money for charity.

I take it you either don't watch the live feed or only selectively.

I don't think so,

Initially they are all strangers so i think "tonight's perfomace" is an ok reason to give and as you say it seemed to be what they all seemed used as a decider .

But as the week went on and the pressures have mounted there have been bonds made
and the people who have helped you with your private battle ,would surely be the people you would want to stay with you ?
Again they all seem to have shifted this way
So i cant see the problem??

After all they're all celebs anyway?
bruised pride perhaps , so no real harm done

Unlike the real show when thier dreams are destroyed

It wasn't only initially that they were using "tonight's performance".

Indeed, some weren't using it much initially.

The real harm is that instead of having a great and memorable final that most could be happy with no matter who wins, it could be spoiled by a vote the night before that leaves a bad taste and gives us an inferior final.

I dont think so ,
I think they'll do the "hung jury" tactic
No matter who is the last two

public will decide and Reggie will go .

Maybe. [i[Are[/i] there any more student votes? I'm not sure how it could work.

I wouldn't bank on it, he's just scraped in on a couple of occasions now

You're probably right!

Im not sure either to be honest

I thought with your comments earlier
that the students/judges could spoil it , that you knew

The judges wont save reggie ,
they havent up till now
So i thought you meant the students would

If Kim doesn't win the public vote I think she'll have problems unless the other 2 saved students do the honourable thing and let the public vote be the decider. I don't think the judges would save her in preference to Ade or Edith. Edith would be happy to see her go as it gives her a clearer run for the title. Ade would probably be more laid back but his allegiances would be with edith, i'm sure.

Anyone who doesn't think the "lovely" Edith isn't just the usual BBC homegirl, especially Radio One, voting for her mates who can't sing on the obviously fabricated "reason" of development is obviously entitled to their opinion!

But not with the public vote ....apart from the dawn one
but not against any of the remaining finalists.

I dont think he'll poach enough of the debra vote to catch up .

True, I think I'd convinced myself that they'd gone to the public vote more than once.

He does seem to have more support than he deserves, though - maybe people feel sorry for him because he tries hard, but is still rubbish?

I think Kim is quite safe with the public vote she is the only one to have missed being in the "bottom three".
And i suspect she will earn the biggest slice of the Debs vote.

Yeah he seems like a lovely guy ,
Is very popular within the group
Tries really hard , gets the harshest criticism

I hate using cliches ,
but underdog and sympathy vote spring to mind .
Both are big vote spinners .
I'm glad he has got this far but his time has to be tomorrow surely?

Reggie is a comedian?

I've got my fingers crossed If Ade goes out, I might cry...

As for Edith, there's something funny about her. I've never been fond of the woman, but I've tried to give her a chance on Celeb Fame Academy - I can't quite put my finger on why, but there's something about her I haven't taken to...

Are you the guy on the BBC 3 spoof clairvoyant show?

Look at it this way. The students vote on performance, sympathy and friendships or in some cases no reason at all. The judges vote Gina in for entertaining - repeatedly. The students do the same. The judges ,bar Craig, talk about effort and performance. The truly bad singers go. Reggie raps and the public save him. Strong singing performances end up in the last 3. The group and subgroups gets closer as they know each other more. Ade changes the whole game by performing and then goes on to add props. Ade wins the public vote mute. Last night the VT shows Reggie overcoming doubts. Carrie, David, Lesley and Richard all start arguing the case for rewarding determination.

Now ask at what point in this process a sane person would conclude that singing ability was not the only criterion in the calculation and that it was just as fair to do what the other students were doing as to stick to singing alone.

Then ask at what point in the show this process would have to have been stopped and who would have gone before they did if it had been.
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Like the new show? Guess the audience figures? A 4 girl final and Ade gone on Monday?

When I look at it that way, I think: they could well save Reggie again!

The judges and VT could spin for him again

The students could save him again.

I never thought singing ability was the only criterion. But the formula was "tonight's performance". Sure, that doesn't guarantee that the one I think performed best will be picked. But it sets a kind of limit on how perverse the result could be.

Notice how Edith didn't say "tonight's performance" when saving Reggie. Nor did Ade. Because "tonight's performance" wouldn't have saved him.

Ainslie said Lemar's voice was like "liquid honey in sunshine" -

described Lemar's voice perfectly and was typical Ainslie poetical quote.

Oh, I loved the first Fame Academy....sigh...