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Kewpee
10-03-2005
Originally Posted by thenetworkbabe:
“True but they never told the truth anyway. konnie got votes to keep her happy as did the other early leavers. Nick, Jon, Gina, Reggie were given votes for effort and friendship reasons too. At some point it became apparent that singing wasn't the public criteria either - Debra, Dawn, Edith all ended in the bottom 3 on strong singing performances. Reggie was saved on performances, Ade changed the format of the show into entertainment academy by performing with props. it also wasn't the judges criteria either - look at how mute Ade and Gina were saved.

Faced with that , the students have a choice do they just go on singing or open up their criteria too. Logic says singing but then reality says the show wouldn't now have Ade, or a row between judges over Reggie and would have lost Gina early if you applied that rule. If you want singing as the sole criteria you have to take the consequences of that choice too - perhaps wisely the students have opted to either try and get out of the choice or to think of a bigger picture. They can't win either way. One way they side with the yellow man - Dawn and Debra are in the last 4 in an all girl show - the other way Ade and Reggie get there.”

I can see the reason for keeping in the funny ones for as long as possible, I just don't think that Reggie is funny or a good singer and tonight he should've gone. It looks bad for those that have, in the past, voted and used the 'on performance' card. Coupled with the fact that Debra was quite funny and a good singer. It seems a shame that she has been dumped because the 'cool' two prefer Reggie's company.
How Soon is Now
10-03-2005
I always wonder how representative the mood of the forum is compared to the "public vote". There seems to be a significant swing against Edith's tactics on this board and it may well translate to the wider population.

Colin had better get that spin working overtime....
Alrightmate
10-03-2005
Originally Posted by diamondcat:
“Sorry, no way did Reggie deserve to stay in. He has improved - but so has everyone else and they have left him way behind. Shame, I say!”

I agree with you.
Reggie comes across as a nice guy, and I do think he is a sensitive sort.

But really, Debra didn't deserve to go before him.

I think Edith tactically eliminated the stronger opposition.
And I would say that Edith wants this more than Kim. Kim showed honesty and a bit of integrity by voting to save Debra.
grant1
10-03-2005
Edith is the usual Radio One suspect voting for her BBC mate, and not giving a hoot about fairness, why do people need more reasons?

She's not a fair person, are any of the R1 crowd?
thenetworkbabe
10-03-2005
Originally Posted by Veri:
“The student mantra has not been singing; it's been "tonight's performance".

The students were voting much like the public, and it's been almost completely uncontroversial.

Not now, though. The last two nights have put paid to that.”


Yes but the public havn't voted that way - they downed Ade one night for not singing and put him up the next for singing less. The judges havn't - look how they saved Gina time after time. The students havn't - Edith and ade saved Reggie before and they all preferred avoiding a vote to saving Dawn. Jenny got a vote! With Ade performing, Reggie performing. all of the painful singers gone leaving Reggie as just not good. Richard supporting Reggie and a non-singing Ade along with Lesley, Carrie and David the logic has changed. I agree its unsatisfactory as ultimately you can't vote for the best singer to win but its producing the goods in terms of audiences and money and its not clear how you determine the best one of Dawn Debra, Kim and Edith anyway as votes are influenced by all sorts of things including what you do.
thenetworkbabe
10-03-2005
Originally Posted by Alrightmate:
“I agree with you.
Reggie comes across as a nice guy, and I do think he is a sensitive sort.

But really, Debra didn't deserve to go before him.

I think Edith tactically eliminated the stronger opposition.
And I would say that Edith wants this more than Kim. Kim showed honesty and a bit of integrity by voting to save Debra.”

It depends on what the criteria are. If singing isn't it ,Debra does deserve to go before Reggie on the criteria David, Richard, Ade and Edith, and whoever did the VT of Reggie, all agreed upon. if it was singing Ade wouldn't be there either , Decisions have consequences - you can't just change the decision to produce each consequence you like - thats what you accuse the students of doing. Ade did exactly the same as Edith - a logical person would assume he wanted to get rid of Debra who was stronger competition too or decide there was no case to imagine either Edith or Ade believed that. Accusing one but not the other is just paranoia or hate as well as being an argument based on no evidence at all. . Its not some teenage female gang looking for someone betraying the sisterhood - its people using other criteria to decide who to keep.

Its debatable how much Kim wants it - though she may have a million reasons - its pretty clear Edith doesn't care who wins - she wouldn't be picking songs the way she is for the final if she did.
dunkpigeon
10-03-2005
The judges keped Adrian in because he's a downright cool/funny person., who can keep the ratings/votes flowing.

Adrian kept Reggie in, because he didn't wan't to be the only male left in there, and needed an Adrian- Joke straight man.

To be honest Debra WAS the one that wanted to be reunited with her family the most, excellent, beautiful and deeply talented that she is.

Reggie wanted to go too, (but that was from fear of failure) he can't sing too well, but the ladies like him

If you watch the streaming, there is such a brilliant comaradarie between the contestants that I honestly believe that they don't care who wins! There's only a couple of days left and the final is such a comparitivly small part of that big Comic Relief show, that all the build up belies the conclusion.

Great entertainment all the way though!
Veri
10-03-2005
Originally Posted by thenetworkbabe:
“Yes but the public havn't voted that way - they downed Ade one night for not singing and put him up the next for singing less. The judges havn't - look how they saved Gina time after time. The students havn't - Edith and ade saved Reggie before and they all preferred avoiding a vote to saving Dawn. Jenny got a vote! With Ade performing, Reggie performing. all of the painful singers gone leaving Reggie as just not good. Richard supporting Reggie and a non-singing Ade along with Lesley, Carrie and David the logic has changed. I agree its unsatisfactory as ultimately you can't vote for the best singer to win but its producing the goods in terms of audiences and money and its not clear how you determine the best one of Dawn Debra, Kim and Edith anyway as votes are influenced by all sorts of things including what you do.”

We don't know why the public has voted the way it has. (Does anyone even know how many different people voted, as opposed to votes?) So we don't really know "they downed Ade one night for not singing".

On the whole, poor singers have gone, sometimes delayed a bit, with the help of the judges, by an entertainment factor. (Maybe Ade didn't seem entertaining enough that night?)

Reggie's continued survival is a bit of an anomaly; and it hasn't been the public that's saved him. He's still a painful singer so far as I'm concerned.

A change from that mix of singing and other entertainment factors to "save your friend" is wrong, IMO; and I don't think you would have defended it as a voting reason either, if someone had suggested it a week ago.

For Kim, "friend" and "performance" said the same, and if she had voted against Debra, she'd have been vilified, and her fans would have felt a sinking feeling deep in their gut.

But Edith could have voted against Reggie. I don't think Reggie would have blamed her if she'd said "performance". I don't think the forum would be full of messages saying she's stabbed a friend in the back. For one thing, "tonight's performance" was an established reason, Edith had used it many times, and they've all gone along with its use.

I don't have a conspiracy theory about it; I just think it would have been better if it hadn't happened, and that it leaves a bad taste.
Veri
10-03-2005
Originally Posted by thenetworkbabe:
“It depends on what the criteria are. If singing isn't it, Debra does deserve to go before Reggie on the criteria David, Richard, Ade and Edith, and whoever did the VT of Reggie, all agreed upon.”

It's obviously not purely singing, and "tonight's performance" doesn't say singing. But whatever "performance" amounts to, Edith didn't use it. That's the point.
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“Decisions have consequences - you can't just change the decision to produce each consequence you like - thats what you accuse the students of doing. Ade did exactly the same as Edith -”

No, his history of reasons given earlier was different. I'm not sure he's ever given "tonight's performance". Edith changed, Ade behaved much as before.
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“Its debatable how much Kim wants it - though she may have a million reasons - its pretty clear Edith doesn't care who wins - she wouldn't be picking songs the way she is for the final if she did.”

Or she has a different opinion of what gives her the best chance.
dunkpigeon
10-03-2005
Originally Posted by Veri:
“We don't know why the public has voted the way it has. (Does anyone even know how many different people voted, as opposed to votes?) So we don't really know "they downed Ade one night for not singing".

On the whole, poor singers have gone, sometimes delayed a bit, with the help of the judges, by an entertainment factor. (Maybe Ade didn't seem entertaining enough that night?)

Reggie's continued survival is a bit of an anomaly; and it hasn't been the public that's saved him. He's still a painful singer so far as I'm concerned.

A change from that mix of singing and other entertainment factors to "save your friend" is wrong, IMO; and I don't think you would have defended it as a voting reason either, if someone had suggested it a week ago.

For Kim, "friend" and "performance" said the same, and if she had voted against Debra, she'd have been vilified, and her fans would have felt a sinking feeling deep in their gut.

But Edith could have voted against Reggie. I don't think Reggie would have blamed her if she'd said "performance". I don't think the forum would be full of messages saying she's stabbed a friend in the back. For one thing, "tonight's performance" was an established reason, Edith had used it many times, and they've all gone along with its use.

I don't have a conspiracy theory about it; I just think it would have been better if it hadn't happened, and that it leaves a bad taste.”

Ok, the phone vote came to the right conclusion with 9 million people watching the programme, with 1 million of them voting.

Anybody else has to ride on luck alone. But 3 of the votes are from fellow students, all of which I honestly believe couldn't give a rats ass who wins!?

Edith has been getting on very well with Reggie though (if you watch the streaming). She's a slow burner IMO she holds back happy emotions whilst feeling them, displaying them later.

aww...such Scotish Charm!
Veri
10-03-2005
Originally Posted by dunkpigeon:
“But 3 of the votes are from fellow students, all of which I honestly believe couldn't give a rats ass who wins!?”

It doesn't matter whether they care who wins.

What mattters is whether they care who is there Friday.

Just like they cared who was there Thursday.
dunkpigeon
10-03-2005
Originally Posted by Veri:
“It doesn't matter whether they care who wins.

What mattters is whether they care who is there Friday.

Just like they cared who was there Thursday.”

I know! but as I've said before, The Red Nose Day/ Comic Relief Programme is such a marathon (aka Telethon!?) night (aka Knight!?) of telly, it's so crammed packed full of dense comedy and intense phone pledge requests.

By the time the small segment involving the Fame Academy Final has been rushed on and off by a very stressed production team, the vast majority of the FA fundraising is over.

All the celebs involved have had their maximum publicity value over the previous two weeks of the show, and any potential record contracts, and the overall scheme of things has been decided already.

They've all given their time for free, raised awareness, money and, just good vibes for Comic Relief!!

Great Enterainment, every inch of the way!

But, is an extra 5 minutes of exposure to a non-dedicated (some confused? pensioners?) audience worth winning for particularly?

The answer is probably No, but that was never the point anyway! Just as well since all of the contestants will be there anyway to help out!

all good stuff!
stevejk75
10-03-2005
I think whats keeping reggie in is the sympathy vote.A bit unfair.
genieinabottle
10-03-2005
Debra was out because she wasnt regarded as "cool". It was a travesty but sooo BBC.
dome
10-03-2005
Anyone would think they were being sent to the lions.

It was funny, yes Debra is a great singer, but I'm sure she'll not suffer sleepless nights from being voted out.

I wouldn't be surprised that Ade and Edith kept Reggie in so he could leave on a high note rather than the low one he was obviously experiencing that day.

It's a charity show, whatever the result will not be life changing for the contestants, but it will be for the people they are raising money for.
clairee78
10-03-2005
Edith and Ade voted for their mate - its that simple.
I don't think anybody really cares who wins - if anybody seems to be taking it too seriously it's Kim - I don't think I've ever seen the girl smile!
Evilsam
10-03-2005
Originally Posted by clairee78:
“Edith and Ade voted for their mate - its that simple.
I don't think anybody really cares who wins - if anybody seems to be taking it too seriously it's Kim - I don't think I've ever seen the girl smile!”

Exactly. Reggie is very popular with the other students. If Edith wants to change the way she votes to keep her mate in, then where's the problem? I've never got the impression that she's hellbent on winning as some people on this forum would say. She's just got on with the job.

All this anti-edith crap on this forum is way too harsh. Give the girl a break, she's doing a good job for comic relief. At the start of this competition, most people would have probably thought it was a one horse race. Now we have a relatively even final 4 which means more votes and more money.
jacko12
10-03-2005
Originally Posted by Evilsam:
“Exactly. Reggie is very popular with the other students. If Edith wants to change the way she votes to keep her mate in, then where's the problem? I've never got the impression that she's hellbent on winning as some people on this forum would say. She's just got on with the job.

All this anti-edith crap on this forum is way too harsh. Give the girl a break, she's doing a good job for comic relief. At the start of this competition, most people would have probably thought it was a one horse race. Now we have a relatively even final 4 which means more votes and more money.”

sorry but saying the last 4 are relatively even is funny, fair enough Edith and Kim are pretty close with Ade close by but sorry but Reggie is well behind.
Evilsam
10-03-2005
Originally Posted by jacko12:
“ sorry but saying the last 4 are relatively even is funny, fair enough Edith and Kim are pretty close with Ade close by but sorry but Reggie is well behind.”

yes, but that's why I said relatively. I was being nice about Reggie. Poor guy! He can't sing, but he deserves A++ for his efforts
Miss Hoolie
10-03-2005
Originally Posted by dome:
“Anyone would think they were being sent to the lions.

It was funny, yes Debra is a great singer, but I'm sure she'll not suffer sleepless nights from being voted out.

I wouldn't be surprised that Ade and Edith kept Reggie in so he could leave on a high note rather than the low one he was obviously experiencing that day.

It's a charity show, whatever the result will not be life changing for the contestants, but it will be for the people they are raising money for.”

What dome said
me@home
10-03-2005
Originally Posted by Evilsam:
“Exactly. Reggie is very popular with the other students. If Edith wants to change the way she votes to keep her mate in, then where's the problem? I've never got the impression that she's hellbent on winning as some people on this forum would say. She's just got on with the job.

All this anti-edith crap on this forum is way too harsh. Give the girl a break, she's doing a good job for comic relief. At the start of this competition, most people would have probably thought it was a one horse race. Now we have a relatively even final 4 which means more votes and more money.”

I agree with you 100%. I believe Edith said that she based her decision on improvement and effort and although Reggie can't sing he has improved and has put a lot of effort into his performances. So I find nothing wrong with Edith chosing him in this way. I don't think she's as focused on winning as Kim is. And since it's supposed to be fun there was a humorous aspect to keeping Reggie in since he admits that he can't sing and was propared to go home. That's basically the reason Ade gave for voting him in. I feel that Kim has taken this all too seriously and her very freqent tears on the live streaming proves this. She's been way too emotional for something that is supposed to be for fun.
They are all performers and have been briefed on the fact that they not only have to provide entertainment on the nightly shows as well as on the streaming. What has Kim done on the streaming that is fun to watch?
For this reason I actually want to see a Edith, Ade and Reggie final.
If Kim wants a singing career she's probably already got agents wanting to sign her up win or lose so the focus should be on the "comic" aspect of this whole show, including the streaming.
Code Y
10-03-2005
Originally Posted by dome:
“I wouldn't be surprised that Ade and Edith kept Reggie in so he could leave on a high note ”

Any kind of note would suffice!
Moody Ms
10-03-2005
Originally Posted by Code Y:
“Any kind of note would suffice! ”

LMAO
jacko12
10-03-2005
Originally Posted by me@home:
“I agree with you 100%. I believe Edith said that she based her decision on improvement and effort and although Reggie can't sing he has improved and has put a lot of effort into his performances. So I find nothing wrong with Edith chosing him in this way. I don't think she's as focused on winning as Kim is. And since it's supposed to be fun there was a humorous aspect to keeping Reggie in since he admits that he can't sing and was propared to go home. That's basically the reason Ade gave for voting him in. I feel that Kim has taken this all too seriously and her very freqent tears on the live streaming proves this. She's been way too emotional for something that is supposed to be for fun.
They are all performers and have been briefed on the fact that they not only have to provide entertainment on the nightly shows as well as on the streaming. What has Kim done on the streaming that is fun to watch?
For this reason I actually want to see a Edith, Ade and Reggie final.
If Kim wants a singing career she's probably already got agents wanting to sign her up win or lose so the focus should be on the "comic" aspect of this whole show, including the streaming.”

think you'll find your wrong on the streaming the first few days they were in remember a conversation between Chris and Kim and someone else where they didn't realise the streaming went on all day also who actually says they have to provide entertainment on the streaming, can you let me know where you heard this as it's news to me??
How Soon is Now
10-03-2005
Originally Posted by me@home:
“They are all performers and have been briefed on the fact that they not only have to provide entertainment on the nightly shows as well as on the streaming. What has Kim done on the streaming that is fun to watch? ”

Er, that's called Celebrity Big Brother
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