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Chris, His Hypocrisy and Moral High Ground
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Cornchips
09-08-2014
They all have flaws.

If you put them in a line from "always do the decent thing" to "never do the decent thing" then Chris would be nearer the "always do the decent thing" than either Winston or Mark. that is all.
Speak-Softly
09-08-2014
Originally Posted by Cornchips:
“I find that those with limited charisma themselves end up stuck with the creepy bloke at work dos. I never get stuck with anyone who isn't fun and lively and friendly and entertaining. ”


Are you pretty?
Because otherwise you wouldn't get a look in from Chris.
keeping_it_real
09-08-2014
Most of them, despite what they think now, wouldn't have given a share of the money to people they dislike, at least Chris was totally honest with himself that that was what he'd do. Can the Chris bashers honestly see, for instance, Helen posting off a cheque to Pav or any of the others the perceives as boring ****s? She would do EXACTLY as Chris said he would and just divvy it out amongst her mates (a bit like the booze in the house.)

People seem to be forgetting too that, while they were still in the 'pact' circle just seconds after breaking hands Chris said, with everyone in earshot, that he wouldn't adhere to it.
Virgil Tracy
09-08-2014
Originally Posted by keeping_it_real:
“Most of them, despite what they think now, wouldn't have given a share of the money to people they dislike, at least Chris was totally honest with himself that that was what he'd do. Can the Chris bashers honestly see, for instance, Helen posting off a cheque to Pav or any of the others the perceives as boring ****s? She would do EXACTLY as Chris said he would and just divvy it out amongst her mates (a bit like the booze in the house.)

People seem to be forgetting too that, while they were still in the 'pact' circle just seconds after breaking hands Chris said, with everyone in earshot, that he wouldn't adhere to it.”

you're now doing what Chris , mark and ash did - justifying their decision to cheat .

fact is - Helen didn't choose to take the money , Chris did .

you can suppose all you like but Chris is one of the cheats .


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Dejavu
09-08-2014
Originally Posted by changa:
“If you always get stuck with the creepy bloke, perhaps you should ask yourself why.”

Too funny
Dejavu
09-08-2014
Originally Posted by Speak-Softly:
“Are you pretty?
Because otherwise you wouldn't get a look in from Chris.”

How on earth do you know? Just because he was friends with a girl in the house was happened to be the nicest and prettiest - doesn't mean he only talks to pretty girls. I certainly wouldn't being friends with any of the other girls.
Desy Boy
09-08-2014
Originally Posted by Cornchips:
“They all have flaws.

If you put them in a line from "always do the decent thing" to "never do the decent thing" then Chris would be nearer the "always do the decent thing" than either Winston or Mark. that is all.”

So so far from my opinion. Almost every time Chris has been challenged to live up to a code of honesty and fairness he has failed. His behaviour with Pav was the nadir of his moral midgetry. A vacuum of integrity.
Dejavu
09-08-2014
Originally Posted by Virgil Tracy:
“you're now doing what Chris , mark and ash did - justifying their decision to cheat .

fact is - Helen didn't choose to take the money , Chris did .

you can suppose all you like but Chris is one of the cheats .


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So did Mark and Ash
Speak-Softly
09-08-2014
Originally Posted by Dejavu:
“How on earth do you know? Just because he was friends with a girl in the house was happened to be the nicest and prettiest - doesn't mean he only talks to pretty girls. I certainly wouldn't being friends with any of the other girls.”

Because he said so.

Always makes a point of talking to the pretty girls because they are the most lonely.

Yeah whatever Chris, just look at the line of lonely pretty girls at parties with nobody but creeps like Chris to talk to.
Heyyouoverthere
09-08-2014
Originally Posted by keeping_it_real:
“Most of them, despite what they think now, wouldn't have given a share of the money to people they dislike, at least Chris was totally honest with himself that that was what he'd do. Can the Chris bashers honestly see, for instance, Helen posting off a cheque to Pav or any of the others the perceives as boring ****s? She would do EXACTLY as Chris said he would and just divvy it out amongst her mates (a bit like the booze in the house.)

People seem to be forgetting too that, while they were still in the 'pact' circle just seconds after breaking hands Chris said, with everyone in earshot, that he wouldn't adhere to it.”


So why make a pact then seconds later break it. It shows exactly what he is a lowlife coward who does things to please and can't stand by his own convictions. I would have respected him more if he had said to them no I am not going to join in the pact because i don't agree with it but he joined hands with them all and agreed to it so whatever he said seconds later within earshot of the other hms doesn't wash!

He wasn't forced at gunpoint to make the pact so anything he did after the pact was made is null and void because the hms probably would not have heard him as they were discussing what had just happened regarding the money.

He is a two faced coward simple as that.
Virgil Tracy
09-08-2014
Originally Posted by Dejavu:
“So did Mark and Ash”

yeah , I know , I even said it in my post which you quoted .
Speak-Softly
09-08-2014
Originally Posted by keeping_it_real:
“Most of them, despite what they think now, wouldn't have given a share of the money to people they dislike, at least Chris was totally honest with himself that that was what he'd do. Can the Chris bashers honestly see, for instance, Helen posting off a cheque to Pav or any of the others the perceives as boring ****s? She would do EXACTLY as Chris said he would and just divvy it out amongst her mates (a bit like the booze in the house.)

People seem to be forgetting too that, while they were still in the 'pact' circle just seconds after breaking hands Chris said, with everyone in earshot, that he wouldn't adhere to it.”

But then surely the question is "why" wouldn't he adhere to it?

A person can only be responsible for their own actions, what was his reason?
Particularly in light of his previous rants about new HM and his faux expression of outrage at Steven being evicted and his endless ramblings about feeling affection for all the HM.

Why at that point didn't he want to share?
Later that evening he was telling Helen he fancied her.
Crawley Cutie
09-08-2014
Originally Posted by jim_lyons:
“Good to see the Disciples of Steven readying themselves for one last push”




Love it..........and Chris
Penelope_Pitst1
09-08-2014
Originally Posted by Speak-Softly:
“It's rather depressing people have fallen for it.

Underneath the facade is a man seething with bitter resentment and to make himself feel better he puts others down.

It's only those he feels truly superior too, those he has fooled, those that don't challenge the facade, that he has the time of day for.

He said it weeks ago, he doesn't consider Christopher to be even human.
It's a great shame Christopher wasted so much of his time defending him.

And it is interesting that he has fixated on Ashleigh, somebody that young has neither the interest or the experience to see him for what he is. Plus he's being useful.”

Agree totally with the points you make here. Chris is a very shady character.
Desy Boy
09-08-2014
Originally Posted by Dejavu:
“So did Mark and Ash”

Yes. Is that some point proved? He's on a similar moral level to Mark and Ash. Maybe worse because he said that he would split it with only 2 others.
Crawley Cutie
09-08-2014
Originally Posted by Speak-Softly:
“Later that evening he was telling Helen he fancied her.”


He said that he was drunk ...he must have been very, very drunk

Chris would rather complement a person - than be malicious. Make of that what you will
Penelope_Pitst1
09-08-2014
Originally Posted by Crawley Cutie:
“He said that he was drunk ...he must have been very, very drunk

Chris would rather complement a person - than be malicious. Make of that what you will ”

My other half was convinced he was acting drunk but wasn't. I didn't see it myself but a few on this forum thought the same.
Speak-Softly
09-08-2014
Originally Posted by Crawley Cutie:
“He said that he was drunk ...he must have been very, very drunk

Chris would rather complement a person - than be malicious. Make of that what you will ”

His DR rants are very, very malicious.
Even towards people he doesn't know the first thing about like Pav, Zoe and Bianca later in the series and Christopher, Ash, Winston earlier in the series.
Speak-Softly
09-08-2014
Originally Posted by Crawley Cutie:
“He said that he was drunk ...he must have been very, very drunk

Chris would rather complement a person - than be malicious. Make of that what you will ”

Why, she's beautiful.

I suppose it was a little less embarrassing than his talk about perhaps being bi sexual to make himself appear more interesting.
Though when he came out with that I think it was more to try and get a negative reaction from who he was saying it too.

He dropped that particular angle like a hot potato when nobody bit.
tuesday
09-08-2014
Originally Posted by Virgil Tracy:
“you're now doing what Chris , mark and ash did - justifying their decision to cheat .

fact is - Helen didn't choose to take the money , Chris did .

you can suppose all you like but Chris is one of the cheats .


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Personally I think Chris had decided that the pact needed to be broken as it was made under duress, no one truly discussed their fears.

As they Emma said Chris went down a several thought processes to come to the decision that he made, we saw a few that the programme makers wanted us to see.

The fact Chris had mention and decided would be interesting to the viewers to show what would happen if someone said yes to taking the money, gave use an insight to what does sometimes happen in real life.

I believe Chris was just proving to us all where money is thrown into the equation that not all of will stick to what's been agreed. In this case we had an additional two other people who weren't happen with the agreement also.

If that makes him a cheat then so be it.
geppsdood
09-08-2014
Originally Posted by What a shambles:
“None of them are perfect and none of them pretend to be. Chris annoys certain types of people as much as Hellen annoys others, but the fact is this:

Chris won a victory for decency.

I have noticed, however, that Chris haters are more passionate than anybody else. Winston has his detractors but has received nowhere near the bile that Chris has, despite the overt sexism, sense of entitlement, gross manipulation of a false image, lack of genuine wit and the open delight in others' difficult moments.

Again, Chris won a victory for decency.

Oh, and the original post - despite declaring disdain for anybody who judges - is right up there with anything the Pharisees did two thousand years ago. Are you sitting there in flowing robes with tassels and bells. Chris isn't the saviour of anything, but you have been shouting 'Crucify him' for the last two months.

One more time now, Chris won a victory for decency.”

Best post I have ever seen on this entire forum. Kudos.
SpiritedAway
09-08-2014
Originally Posted by HonestLee:
“So Mark and Winston got evicted dumb-de-dumb-dumb-dumb

And so the cool kids were restricted dumb-dumb-dumb-dumb-dumb

But still the Chris haters don't get it dumb-de-dumb-dumb-dumb

Because their pea-brains just won't let it dumb-dumb-dumb-dumb-dumb

dumb-dumb-dumb-dumb-dumb-dumb”

All these dumbs thrown about but you don't have the wits to look at the date of the opening post?
bluefb
09-08-2014
Chis is the mascot of a certain type: patronising, dismissive, disingenuous, hyperbolic, pretentious, hypocritical, litigious, slippery and smug, yet non-too-smart. I can't help but sense that they see and invest something of themselves in him, hence why they get so personal when he's criticised.
geppsdood
09-08-2014
Originally Posted by Desy Boy:
“So so far from my opinion. Almost every time Chris has been challenged to live up to a code of honesty and fairness he has failed. His behaviour with Pav was the nadir of his moral midgetry. A vacuum of integrity.”

Biggest over dramatising of something I've ever seen on this forum. No kudos.
Speak-Softly
09-08-2014
Originally Posted by tuesday:
“Personally I think Chris had decided that the pact needed to be broken as it was made under duress, no one truly discussed their fears.

As they Emma said Chris went down a several thought processes to come to the decision that he made, we saw a few that the programme makers wanted us to see.

The fact Chris had mention and decided would be interesting to the viewers to show what would happen if someone said yes to taking the money, gave use an insight to what does sometimes happen in real life.

I believe Chris was just proving to us all where money is thrown into the equation that not all of will stick to what's been agreed. In this case we had an additional two other people who weren't happen with the agreement also.

If that makes him a cheat then so be it.”

But what were the fears with regards to when they are still in the house?

When BB is over, the winner would have taken the cheque for the full amount.
Was he worried that the winner might not stick to the agreement and as Ashleigh winning is on the cards he didn't want to face that?

The only fear is that the winner won't do it.
Nobody else, as they wouldn't have any control.
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