Originally Posted by geppsdood:
“Biggest over dramatising of something I've ever seen on this forum. No kudos.”
“Biggest over dramatising of something I've ever seen on this forum. No kudos.”
^There's hyperbolic
Chris, His Hypocrisy and Moral High Ground
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He said yes to prove how money obsessed they are, and the reactions of some just proved his point. He also did it for sh*ts and giggles, and as he said himself, it wouldn't be interesting if he said no. I think he knew deep down it was a trick question and he wasn't really being given the chance to take the money then and there.
Originally Posted by SpiritedAway:
“There were many rubbish reasons and that Mark and Ash came up with for taking that 15K. But Chris's original, true reason that he relayed in the DR was appalling. "Everyone is money obsessed. I'll take it to make a point." The smugness of this bastard! Like he's doing the rest of the house a favor or teaching them a lesson? Then, he goes onto say that he would split the money between himself, Ashleigh and Christopher. I won't make it out like doing that is any better or worse than the equal split Ash proposed since I highly doubt any of them would share if given the opportunity. That said, Mark and Ash have been consistently maligned here and by Chris himself. And it's deserved IMO. But why isn't Chris getting his due? He's just as bad as the rest. Worse! Because he judges and censures everyone for doing wrong while he justifies doing those same things himself.
And then Chris tops it all off with one of those self-righteous diary room rants his mate says we're so fond off slating everyone for their greed. It's amazing what he gets away with.”
“There were many rubbish reasons and that Mark and Ash came up with for taking that 15K. But Chris's original, true reason that he relayed in the DR was appalling. "Everyone is money obsessed. I'll take it to make a point." The smugness of this bastard! Like he's doing the rest of the house a favor or teaching them a lesson? Then, he goes onto say that he would split the money between himself, Ashleigh and Christopher. I won't make it out like doing that is any better or worse than the equal split Ash proposed since I highly doubt any of them would share if given the opportunity. That said, Mark and Ash have been consistently maligned here and by Chris himself. And it's deserved IMO. But why isn't Chris getting his due? He's just as bad as the rest. Worse! Because he judges and censures everyone for doing wrong while he justifies doing those same things himself.
And then Chris tops it all off with one of those self-righteous diary room rants his mate says we're so fond off slating everyone for their greed. It's amazing what he gets away with.”
Who cares.....he has made it to the final.
Originally Posted by shelleyj89:
“He said yes to prove how money obsessed they are, and the reactions of some just proved his point. He also did it for sh*ts and giggles, and as he said himself, it wouldn't be interesting if he said no. I think he knew deep down it was a trick question and he wasn't really being given the chance to take the money then and there.”
“He said yes to prove how money obsessed they are, and the reactions of some just proved his point. He also did it for sh*ts and giggles, and as he said himself, it wouldn't be interesting if he said no. I think he knew deep down it was a trick question and he wasn't really being given the chance to take the money then and there.”
no , he chose to take the money thus proving how dishonest he is .
Originally Posted by SpiritedAway:
“All these dumbs thrown about but you don't have the wits to look at the date of the opening post?
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“All these dumbs thrown about but you don't have the wits to look at the date of the opening post?
”
Dumb-de-dumb-dumb-dumb
Originally Posted by Desy Boy:
“Chris reminds me of Nick Clegg. Likeable on a surface level. Self deprecating, apparently morally superior and well measured in conversation. But behind all of that guff is absolute insincere, disingenuous, convoluted bulls**t. He fails to uphold standards that he sets for others and attempts to justify it with completely nonlinear and obtuse explanations that rely almost solely on his well honed nice guy act. The reality is that the ones that support him do so based on his shallow simple man persona rather than his more telling bastard actions.”
“Chris reminds me of Nick Clegg. Likeable on a surface level. Self deprecating, apparently morally superior and well measured in conversation. But behind all of that guff is absolute insincere, disingenuous, convoluted bulls**t. He fails to uphold standards that he sets for others and attempts to justify it with completely nonlinear and obtuse explanations that rely almost solely on his well honed nice guy act. The reality is that the ones that support him do so based on his shallow simple man persona rather than his more telling bastard actions.”
Originally Posted by Speak-Softly:
“It's rather depressing people have fallen for it.
Underneath the facade is a man seething with bitter resentment and to make himself feel better he puts others down.
It's only those he feels truly superior too, those he has fooled, those that don't challenge the facade, that he has the time of day for.
He said it weeks ago, he doesn't consider Christopher to be even human.
It's a great shame Christopher wasted so much of his time defending him.
And it is interesting that he has fixated on Ashleigh, somebody that young has neither the interest or the experience to see him for what he is. Plus he's being useful.”
“It's rather depressing people have fallen for it.
Underneath the facade is a man seething with bitter resentment and to make himself feel better he puts others down.
It's only those he feels truly superior too, those he has fooled, those that don't challenge the facade, that he has the time of day for.
He said it weeks ago, he doesn't consider Christopher to be even human.
It's a great shame Christopher wasted so much of his time defending him.
And it is interesting that he has fixated on Ashleigh, somebody that young has neither the interest or the experience to see him for what he is. Plus he's being useful.”
Great posts and points, both of you. This is the most comprehensive yet concise summation of Chris that I've seen.
I'm not so much disappointed that the viewers haven't taken notice. As much as the terms "shallow" and "superficial" are bandied about, it's clear that the viewers and some forum members are guilty of that. In Chris they see the "little guy", the every man in a house full of casting agency personalities and rag magazine fodder... forgetting that Chris is the only housemate there with a legitimate acting resume... He sat back and watched as a viewer would, then commentated as a viewer would in the DR which immediately ingratiated himself to the audience. However, when faced with any sort of opposition or confrontation for his own actions, often in keeping with the very things he would denounce, he apologizes immediately or tells the person what they want to hear thereby diffusing the situation but concealing the rather stark, brash, nasty opinion he would convey to the audience. Somehow, viewers mistook competent but not exceedingly intellectual methods of placation designed to deflect and downplay as concession. So then comments arise like, "Chris has owned up to it," or "He admitted his part," when really he hasn't at all. Moreover, he continues on in the same manner which just further cements how unapologetic, self-righteous and manipulative he is.
I'm not anti-Chris per se because I do think he is interesting although I'm not a fan of duplicity. However, I am strongly against the good guy Chris line being pushed by those who vilify "the cool kids" (whom I imagine those people find less relateable) when all of the above engage in similar behavior. It's just that the cool group has the authenticity (or the stupidity, perhaps) to say things openly and without a facade while holding to their opinions (nasty or otherwise) when challenged. A level of honesty that Chris has yet to reach.
Originally Posted by geppsdood:
“Biggest over dramatising of something I've ever seen on this forum. No kudos.”
“Biggest over dramatising of something I've ever seen on this forum. No kudos.”
Were the words a bit too big for you
Originally Posted by tuesday:
“Personally I think Chris had decided that the pact needed to be broken as it was made under duress, no one truly discussed their fears.
As they Emma said Chris went down a several thought processes to come to the decision that he made, we saw a few that the programme makers wanted us to see.
The fact Chris had mention and decided would be interesting to the viewers to show what would happen if someone said yes to taking the money, gave use an insight to what does sometimes happen in real life.
I believe Chris was just proving to us all where money is thrown into the equation that not all of will stick to what's been agreed. In this case we had an additional two other people who weren't happen with the agreement also.
If that makes him a cheat then so be it.”
“Personally I think Chris had decided that the pact needed to be broken as it was made under duress, no one truly discussed their fears.
As they Emma said Chris went down a several thought processes to come to the decision that he made, we saw a few that the programme makers wanted us to see.
The fact Chris had mention and decided would be interesting to the viewers to show what would happen if someone said yes to taking the money, gave use an insight to what does sometimes happen in real life.
I believe Chris was just proving to us all where money is thrown into the equation that not all of will stick to what's been agreed. In this case we had an additional two other people who weren't happen with the agreement also.
If that makes him a cheat then so be it.”
Or he could just leave it to the winner, more than likely Ashleigh, who he himself is convinced of to live or die by their commitment to the pact
His choice has left him open to all of the criticisms laid at him by the OP and on the forum otherwise. How patronising and hypocritical his supposed moral high ground has made him look. There are 2 significant things I remember regarding Chris and this pact. One we heard about is him and Ashleigh sneering and looking down their noses at Helen and her friends choosing to blow a lot of money on a holiday in Ibiza. The second is him in his drunken state saying he'd love to go on holiday with Helen
That is Chris all over: high and mighty, judgmental and a hypocrite.
Originally Posted by What a shambles:
“Chris won a victory for decency.”
“Chris won a victory for decency.”
I fear for the definition of the term in that case.
Originally Posted by SpiritedAway:
“Great posts and points, both of you. This is the most comprehensive yet concise summation of Chris that I've seen.
I'm not so much disappointed that the viewers haven't taken notice. As much as the terms "shallow" and "superficial" are bandied about, it's clear that the viewers and some forum members are guilty of that. In Chris they see the "little guy", the every man in a house full of casting agency personalities and rag magazine fodder... forgetting that Chris is the only housemate there with a legitimate acting resume... He sat back and watched as a viewer would, then commentated as a viewer would in the DR which immediately ingratiated himself to the audience. However, when faced with any sort of opposition or confrontation for his own actions, often in keeping with the very things he would denounce, he apologizes immediately or tells the person what they want to hear thereby diffusing the situation but concealing the rather stark, brash, nasty opinion he would convey to the audience. Somehow, viewers mistook competent but not exceedingly intellectual methods of placation designed to deflect and downplay as concession. So then comments arise like, "Chris has owned up to it," or "He admitted his part," when really he hasn't at all. Moreover, he continues on in the same manner which just further cements how unapologetic, self-righteous and manipulative he is.
I'm not anti-Chris per se because I do think he is interesting although I'm not a fan of duplicity. However, I am strongly against the good guy Chris line being pushed by those who vilify "the cool kids" (whom I imagine those people find less relateable) when all of the above engage in similar behavior. It's just that the cool group has the authenticity (or the stupidity, perhaps) to say things openly and without a facade while holding to their opinions (nasty or otherwise) when challenged. A level of honesty that Chris has yet to reach.”
“Great posts and points, both of you. This is the most comprehensive yet concise summation of Chris that I've seen.
I'm not so much disappointed that the viewers haven't taken notice. As much as the terms "shallow" and "superficial" are bandied about, it's clear that the viewers and some forum members are guilty of that. In Chris they see the "little guy", the every man in a house full of casting agency personalities and rag magazine fodder... forgetting that Chris is the only housemate there with a legitimate acting resume... He sat back and watched as a viewer would, then commentated as a viewer would in the DR which immediately ingratiated himself to the audience. However, when faced with any sort of opposition or confrontation for his own actions, often in keeping with the very things he would denounce, he apologizes immediately or tells the person what they want to hear thereby diffusing the situation but concealing the rather stark, brash, nasty opinion he would convey to the audience. Somehow, viewers mistook competent but not exceedingly intellectual methods of placation designed to deflect and downplay as concession. So then comments arise like, "Chris has owned up to it," or "He admitted his part," when really he hasn't at all. Moreover, he continues on in the same manner which just further cements how unapologetic, self-righteous and manipulative he is.
I'm not anti-Chris per se because I do think he is interesting although I'm not a fan of duplicity. However, I am strongly against the good guy Chris line being pushed by those who vilify "the cool kids" (whom I imagine those people find less relateable) when all of the above engage in similar behavior. It's just that the cool group has the authenticity (or the stupidity, perhaps) to say things openly and without a facade while holding to their opinions (nasty or otherwise) when challenged. A level of honesty that Chris has yet to reach.”
This is a perfect assessment of Chris' approach and why despite rooting for the so-called underdog group in early days, I quit. They need to speak openly, and get up and have a bit of fun instead of sitting around scowling and and complaining.
Originally Posted by ollieyork:
“He wanted that money, the greed was written all over his face. So he turns it around and says in a very convincing, sincere manner that he's going to get rid of that evil money to teach all those greedy horrible people a lesson.
Sure Chris.”
“He wanted that money, the greed was written all over his face. So he turns it around and says in a very convincing, sincere manner that he's going to get rid of that evil money to teach all those greedy horrible people a lesson.
Sure Chris.”
As did Mark and Ash. I knew Mark wasn't going to say no. He's the most untrustworthy git in there. He's as treacherous as they come.
Originally Posted by zx50:
“As did Mark and Ash. I knew Mark wasn't going to say no. He's the most untrustworthy git in there. He's as treacherous as they come.”
“As did Mark and Ash. I knew Mark wasn't going to say no. He's the most untrustworthy git in there. He's as treacherous as they come.”
Hardly as you and the rest of the UK would've guessed he'd take it. Surely the treachery title would go to Chris as all his moralising and criticism of all the money obsessed people suggests he wouldn't take the money
Therefore he is treacherous to end up doing so.
Originally Posted by trevor tiger:
“Hardly as you and the rest of the UK would've guessed he'd take it. Surely the treachery title would go to Chris as all his moralising and criticism of all the money obsessed people suggests he wouldn't take the money Therefore he is treacherous to end up doing so.”
“Hardly as you and the rest of the UK would've guessed he'd take it. Surely the treachery title would go to Chris as all his moralising and criticism of all the money obsessed people suggests he wouldn't take the money
Therefore he is treacherous to end up doing so.”
As treacherous as they come in the house.
Originally Posted by zx50:
“As did Mark and Ash. I knew Mark wasn't going to say no. He's the most untrustworthy git in there. He's as treacherous as they come.”
“As did Mark and Ash. I knew Mark wasn't going to say no. He's the most untrustworthy git in there. He's as treacherous as they come.”
Mark and Ash didn't speak about how greedy the filthy money was making their inferior housemates. Mark and Ash didn't say they'd break the pack and only give money to their two best mates. Mark and Ash didn't say they might just give it all to only the winner (and we know Chris thinks he or Ashleigh will win).
Now, do I think Mark wouldn't have walked away with it too? No. He would have loved to take all that money. And he got evicted partially because of it. But Ash was believable. And Chris got away with it.
Originally Posted by ollieyork:
“Mark and Ash didn't speak about how greedy the filthy money was making their inferior housemates. Mark and Ash didn't say they'd break the pack and only give money to their two best mates. Mark and Ash didn't say they might just give it all to only the winner (and we know Chris thinks he or Ashleigh will win).
Now, do I think Mark wouldn't have walked away with it too? No. He would have loved to take all that money. And he got evicted partially because of it. But Ash was believable. And Chris got away with it.”
“Mark and Ash didn't speak about how greedy the filthy money was making their inferior housemates. Mark and Ash didn't say they'd break the pack and only give money to their two best mates. Mark and Ash didn't say they might just give it all to only the winner (and we know Chris thinks he or Ashleigh will win).
Now, do I think Mark wouldn't have walked away with it too? No. He would have loved to take all that money. And he got evicted partially because of it. But Ash was believable. And Chris got away with it.”
Mark and Ash weren't as vocal as the others because they knew that they had done exactly the same as Chris had done. Mark was a bit vocal at times and was being a complete and utter hypocrite. I also wasn't talking about what they had said after it had happened, but what they had said in the diary room.
Originally Posted by jedediah:
“Er ..No ...
He's the creepy bloke you always get stuck with at work do's”
“Er ..No ...
He's the creepy bloke you always get stuck with at work do's”
No way is that Chris! The creepy bloke I'd get stuck with would be Steven, no question about it!
Every time Steven opened his mouth I cringed with revulsion or yawned with boredom...... couldn't bear to listen to him.
Originally Posted by SpiritedAway:
“Great posts and points, both of you. This is the most comprehensive yet concise summation of Chris that I've seen.
I'm not so much disappointed that the viewers haven't taken notice. As much as the terms "shallow" and "superficial" are bandied about, it's clear that the viewers and some forum members are guilty of that. In Chris they see the "little guy", the every man in a house full of casting agency personalities and rag magazine fodder... forgetting that Chris is the only housemate there with a legitimate acting resume... He sat back and watched as a viewer would, then commentated as a viewer would in the DR which immediately ingratiated himself to the audience. However, when faced with any sort of opposition or confrontation for his own actions, often in keeping with the very things he would denounce, he apologizes immediately or tells the person what they want to hear thereby diffusing the situation but concealing the rather stark, brash, nasty opinion he would convey to the audience. Somehow, viewers mistook competent but not exceedingly intellectual methods of placation designed to deflect and downplay as concession. So then comments arise like, "Chris has owned up to it," or "He admitted his part," when really he hasn't at all. Moreover, he continues on in the same manner which just further cements how unapologetic, self-righteous and manipulative he is.
I'm not anti-Chris per se because I do think he is interesting although I'm not a fan of duplicity. However, I am strongly against the good guy Chris line being pushed by those who vilify "the cool kids" (whom I imagine those people find less relateable) when all of the above engage in similar behavior. It's just that the cool group has the authenticity (or the stupidity, perhaps) to say things openly and without a facade while holding to their opinions (nasty or otherwise) when challenged. A level of honesty that Chris has yet to reach.”
“Great posts and points, both of you. This is the most comprehensive yet concise summation of Chris that I've seen.
I'm not so much disappointed that the viewers haven't taken notice. As much as the terms "shallow" and "superficial" are bandied about, it's clear that the viewers and some forum members are guilty of that. In Chris they see the "little guy", the every man in a house full of casting agency personalities and rag magazine fodder... forgetting that Chris is the only housemate there with a legitimate acting resume... He sat back and watched as a viewer would, then commentated as a viewer would in the DR which immediately ingratiated himself to the audience. However, when faced with any sort of opposition or confrontation for his own actions, often in keeping with the very things he would denounce, he apologizes immediately or tells the person what they want to hear thereby diffusing the situation but concealing the rather stark, brash, nasty opinion he would convey to the audience. Somehow, viewers mistook competent but not exceedingly intellectual methods of placation designed to deflect and downplay as concession. So then comments arise like, "Chris has owned up to it," or "He admitted his part," when really he hasn't at all. Moreover, he continues on in the same manner which just further cements how unapologetic, self-righteous and manipulative he is.
I'm not anti-Chris per se because I do think he is interesting although I'm not a fan of duplicity. However, I am strongly against the good guy Chris line being pushed by those who vilify "the cool kids" (whom I imagine those people find less relateable) when all of the above engage in similar behavior. It's just that the cool group has the authenticity (or the stupidity, perhaps) to say things openly and without a facade while holding to their opinions (nasty or otherwise) when challenged. A level of honesty that Chris has yet to reach.”
Fantastic post! Especially the BIB.
Hilarious the cool gang are brainless, they dont get the others because they dont actually have the intellect too. Ash spends his whole time looking in the mirrors when talking, Helen knows nothing more than bullying 'her friends' into being her friend Mark basically confirmed this in his interview when he applied that if you wanted to be cool with Helen you didnt go against her but with her. Chris had it in one which again was confirmed by Helens after they went through the fire exit his comment was along the lines of perfect timing, meaning it was done to look like they were the fun cool guys just before eviction day, Mark sat back watching them doing it secretly hoping they would be out the back door and maybe he would escape being evicted even though he jeered them on to do it but wouldnt himself, and Helens comment confirmed Chris's thought when she commented how could the public not find that amusing and fun after Mark and Winston got evicted. Theres no moral high ground by Chris he is just a decent human being as is Christopher and Ashleigh, I commend Ashleigh she can hold her head high the youngest amongst a bunch of total '*****' as Helen would say, except Helen doesnt realise she is the ****
Originally Posted by julesuk:
“Hilarious the cool gang are brainless, they dont get the others because they dont actually have the intellect too. Ash spends his whole time looking in the mirrors when talking, Helen knows nothing more than bullying 'her friends' into being her friend Mark basically confirmed this in his interview when he applied that if you wanted to be cool with Helen you didnt go against her but with her. Chris had it in one which again was confirmed by Helens after they went through the fire exit his comment was along the lines of perfect timing, meaning it was done to look like they were the fun cool guys just before eviction day, Mark sat back watching them doing it secretly hoping they would be out the back door and maybe he would escape being evicted even though he jeered them on to do it but wouldnt himself, and Helens comment confirmed Chris's thought when she commented how could the public not find that amusing and fun after Mark and Winston got evicted. Theres no moral high ground by Chris he is just a decent human being as is Christopher and Ashleigh, I commend Ashleigh she can hold her head high the youngest amongst a bunch of total '*****' as Helen would say, except Helen doesnt realise she is the ****”
“Hilarious the cool gang are brainless, they dont get the others because they dont actually have the intellect too. Ash spends his whole time looking in the mirrors when talking, Helen knows nothing more than bullying 'her friends' into being her friend Mark basically confirmed this in his interview when he applied that if you wanted to be cool with Helen you didnt go against her but with her. Chris had it in one which again was confirmed by Helens after they went through the fire exit his comment was along the lines of perfect timing, meaning it was done to look like they were the fun cool guys just before eviction day, Mark sat back watching them doing it secretly hoping they would be out the back door and maybe he would escape being evicted even though he jeered them on to do it but wouldnt himself, and Helens comment confirmed Chris's thought when she commented how could the public not find that amusing and fun after Mark and Winston got evicted. Theres no moral high ground by Chris he is just a decent human being as is Christopher and Ashleigh, I commend Ashleigh she can hold her head high the youngest amongst a bunch of total '*****' as Helen would say, except Helen doesnt realise she is the ****”
The 'popular gang' certainly don't seem to be intelligent, that's for sure. They're all mouth and no brains. Helen doesn't have the ability to rationally discuss anything but instead, just shoots her mouth off straight away in a cavewoman like manner. They have about as much brains as a bar of chocolate.
Originally Posted by zx50:
“The 'popular gang' certainly don't seem to be intelligent, that's for sure. They're all mouth and no brains. Helen doesn't have the ability to rationally discuss anything but instead, just shoots her mouth off straight away in a cavewoman like manner. They have about as much brains as a bar of chocolate.”
“The 'popular gang' certainly don't seem to be intelligent, that's for sure. They're all mouth and no brains. Helen doesn't have the ability to rationally discuss anything but instead, just shoots her mouth off straight away in a cavewoman like manner. They have about as much brains as a bar of chocolate.”
Winston's a stockbroker, Ash the highest score on the intelligence test and a successful model, and Helen owns her own business. Chris is a out-of-work actor. Maybe he's jealous?
Originally Posted by zx50:
“The 'popular gang' certainly don't seem to be intelligent, that's for sure. They're all mouth and no brains. Helen doesn't have the ability to rationally discuss anything but instead, just shoots her mouth off straight away in a cavewoman like manner. They have about as much brains as a bar of chocolate.”
“The 'popular gang' certainly don't seem to be intelligent, that's for sure. They're all mouth and no brains. Helen doesn't have the ability to rationally discuss anything but instead, just shoots her mouth off straight away in a cavewoman like manner. They have about as much brains as a bar of chocolate.”
Ash had the highest score on the intelligence tests btw, and Winston's was higher than Chris's as far as I can remember.
Originally Posted by zx50:
“The 'popular gang' certainly don't seem to be intelligent, that's for sure. They're all mouth and no brains. Helen doesn't have the ability to rationally discuss anything but instead, just shoots her mouth off straight away in a cavewoman like manner. They have about as much brains as a bar of chocolate.”
“The 'popular gang' certainly don't seem to be intelligent, that's for sure. They're all mouth and no brains. Helen doesn't have the ability to rationally discuss anything but instead, just shoots her mouth off straight away in a cavewoman like manner. They have about as much brains as a bar of chocolate.”
Actually Helen sussed out pretty quickly Chris's contradictory behaviour in the Dilemma Task and she had every right to confront him on a legitimate point but of course this all got deflected when Christopher blew up on her and because of this he is considered hero and Chris too it seems, by association. It's baffling.
It struck me that Chris, when evicted, could just say he was acting all along to deflect from his true self that we believe we are seeing - this would allow him to maintain his personal reputation whilst showcasing his acting abilities to help further his career.
Originally Posted by dialectic:
“Actually Helen sussed out pretty quickly Chris's contradictory behaviour in the Dilemma Task and she had every right to confront him on a legitimate point but of course this all got deflected when Christopher blew up on her and because of this he is considered hero and Chris too it seems, by association. It's baffling.”
“Actually Helen sussed out pretty quickly Chris's contradictory behaviour in the Dilemma Task and she had every right to confront him on a legitimate point but of course this all got deflected when Christopher blew up on her and because of this he is considered hero and Chris too it seems, by association. It's baffling.”
Yes. Helen is so unpopular that even when she makes good, legitimate points they are ignored. It reminds me of the old "Blame Index" posts on this forum, ie the same actions are interpreted very differently by a viewer depending on how popular the HM is.
Originally Posted by Sasparella:
“The only thing Chris has done, is manage to fool a lot of morally bankrupt fantasists who are more likely to attend the Soap awards than they are the Baftas”
“The only thing Chris has done, is manage to fool a lot of morally bankrupt fantasists who are more likely to attend the Soap awards than they are the Baftas
”
This is the sort of post I object to. We are all entitled to support/like/dislike and discuss whoever we wish to - without having labels attached!
Do not presume to call me morally bankrupt, just because I do not see only bad in Chris and do not fall into your way of thinking..
We all have good and bad characteristics - nobody is perfect. IMO he has more good than bad and therefore he has my support, though he is not my winner.
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