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"I suppose it won't be very interesting if I say no"
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BabelBrook
08-08-2014
Originally Posted by ollieyork:
“Ash was very clear that he would honour the pact and split the money. That's what he said in the diary room, and he was believable.”

If he was happy it was split as agreed he simply had to say "No".
atillathehen
08-08-2014
Originally Posted by nagel84:
“BIB - Totally agree. Helen, Winston and Pav honour their agreement and place their trust in the winner to keep their word. Chris on the other hand grabs the whole £15,000 for himself, reneging on what he had agreed and says he will instead split the money 3 ways (and there's no guarantee he'd even do that). Yet they're the greedy ones. The mind boggles.

The DR spiel at the end of the show was that of a slimy politician in Spin Doctor mode.”

Of course what people seem to overlook is the fact that £10k of that £15k was there by virtue of the fact that Chris was up for eviction. His pain, it should be his gain.

Can't recall how much was still in the total when Chris rushed through the visit with his best friend, but of course Mark drained the lot without a shred of conscience when he settled down for a nice leisurely visit with his nan.
BabelBrook
08-08-2014
Originally Posted by atillathehen:
“Of course what people seem to overlook is the fact that £10k of that £15k was there by virtue of the fact that Chris was up for eviction. His pain, it should be his gain.

Can't recall how much was still in the total when Chris rushed through the visit with his best friend, but of course Mark drained the lot without a shred of conscience when he settled down for a nice leisurely visit with his nan.”

It was over £3K when Mark went in. Chris and Christopher were in abaout the same time so probably a little under £1500 each. What was interesting was that both went in recognising they had to be quick, Mark didn't give it a second thought.
yogacats
08-08-2014
Originally Posted by AndrewPd:
“I think Chris was worried what the public would think so tried to make his decision to take the money look better.”

That doesn't make any sense. If he was worried what the public might thing he wouldn't have even taken the money.
yogacats
08-08-2014
Originally Posted by alias alias:
“I think he just pissed in the sink and coursed a stink, ”

KUDOS!
yogacats
08-08-2014
Originally Posted by Jubadi:
“He's a very shifty character. Letting Christopher defend him as a noble, honest man who was always going to share with everyone when he himself, and we, knew that wasn't true was a particular low.”

SORRY .... I watched the highlights last night and Chris said he WOULD share. Did you miss that?
yogacats
08-08-2014
Originally Posted by Fudd:
“Including himself. Trying to act superior and calling out the others on greed while he was planning to split the money with just Ashleigh and Christopher - so he subsequently got the bigger cut - just says it all really.”

He would get the bigger cut by not sharing at all! He did say he would share - with Ashleigh and Christopher. Why should he share with those other hateful lot. I know I wouldn't.
yogacats
08-08-2014
Originally Posted by Scarlet O'Hara:
“I'm shocked people actually fell for his showing off in the diary room since it came right before he asked if the totaliser was running down. He didn't want people to know what he'd done. That's not someone having fun. That's a coward.
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No it's not - it's a player. And he played it BRILLIANTLY!
Sues
08-08-2014
Originally Posted by ValW:
“He knew he was chucking a bomb into the works and he did it anyway. Good for him, it showed the whole lot of 'em up!”

IMO the one person it showed up was him. He is a self-centred, greedy man who believes himself to be above the rest. I very much doubt if he would even give any to Ashleigh, except to ingratiate himself with her. It would definitely come with strings attached. I get quite annoyed when I read this forum and fms are happy to defend him to the hilt - just as long as he pisses Helen off.
yogacats
08-08-2014
Originally Posted by hunkydory:
“seeing as bb has been stirring the whole way through this bb they might show what they said in the DR chris saying i'll share it with ashleigh and christmas not the others”

They could also show Mark saying he'd take 5 grand of it first. (There's no way ON EARTH that Mark would ever have shared anything with anyone, in my opinion. He would be far more likely than Chris to keep the whole lot.)
yogacats
08-08-2014
Originally Posted by Vicky8675309:
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I'm surprised at how some many people ignore this fact. Imaging if it was Christopher, Chris and Ashleigh nicking the booze and cigarettes!
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Eh???? I've only ever seen Helen, Ash and Mark stashing stuff away.
yogacats
08-08-2014
Originally Posted by ollieyork:
“Ash was very clear that he would honour the pact and split the money. That's what he said in the diary room, and he was believable.”

Yeah ... i tend to thing he would have shared it, between him, Helen and Winston.
jeannie26
08-08-2014
Well at least marlon agreed with Him lol. Yes I'd have taken it. Straight to the point
yogacats
08-08-2014
Originally Posted by atillathehen:
“Of course what people seem to overlook is the fact that £10k of that £15k was there by virtue of the fact that Chris was up for eviction. His pain, it should be his gain.

Can't recall how much was still in the total when Chris rushed through the visit with his best friend, but of course Mark drained the lot without a shred of conscience when he settled down for a nice leisurely visit with his nan.”

Absolutely ..... I have mentioned this before on other threads, but people's 'agendas' make them blind to anything that doesn't fit in with their own blinkered agenda. Also, Winston and Ash wouldn't cut their hair, plus the only one I saw actually drink any of the sh*t was Christopher, yet the other's all think THEY are entitled. Delusional.
Conehead
08-08-2014
It was a task.
Ashleigh failed the task by not guessing all three correctly.
That is all.
jeannie26
08-08-2014
Originally Posted by rhizo_mania:
“Well if you believe him then he must be telling the truth, are you 100% sure on this ? .....”

I don't think Ash would have shared it with everyone. He was really getting angry when the money was running out in the meet the family task. He's desperate for some compensation as he knows he's not going to win.
Old Endeavour
08-08-2014
Originally Posted by user999:
“FFS, as said a million times, CHRIS BACKED OUT FROM THE PACT. HE HAS NO OBLIGATION TO SHARE EQUALLY WITH THE REST OF THE HOUSEMATES. HE CAN SHARE WITH WHOEVER HE WANTS!!!”

So because you say it a million times that makes it more truer each time?

It's nothing but an opinion.
tff
08-08-2014
Originally Posted by Conehead:
“It was a task.
Ashleigh failed the task by not guessing all three correctly.
That is all.”

Yeah Conehead!
Exactly.
It had nothing to do with who would take the money or who would break the spontaneous peer-pressured pact.

The task was - would Ashleigh guess who chose to take the money.
I think it's great that she correctly selected Chris and Ash!

I loved it when she came down the stairs and everyone was in a circle yelling at each other. I'd love to know what she thought at that moment
Voice of Reason
08-08-2014
Originally Posted by Speak-Softly:
“OK, I know this might sound stupid, but was the Mark DR bit cut?

Was watching it and it seemed to jump from the talk about keeping 5k (for the eyebrow place)to saying yes.
It surprised me while watching, it didn't flow properly.

I don't like Mark but I do believe he would have argued with himself a bit more.”

They were ALL cut, edited, and spliced in with each other. We have no way of knowing how many thought processes each of them went through or vocalized before finally saying either yes or no, we only have their word, BB had a full 24 hours to decide what footage to show and what to leave out of the highlights.

Sharing with just Ashleigh & Christopher was ONE option Chris mentioned amongst others, and his remark of "but it wouldn't be interesting if I said no" shows that he DID consider saying no, they just didn't show it as, from BBs POV, that wouldn't be interesting either. They never actually showed him saying "I will take the money" and his final reason for doing so.

He may well also have said "and share it out as agreed". Mark may well have discounted the thought of keeping 5k for himself and said he'd share it as agreed. The point is, WE DON'T KNOW.... and neither do any of the HMs, but they have appointed themselves judge (Helen) and jury (Mark, Ash, Winston & Pav) and found Chris guilty of a crime that 2 of their own number are also guilty of regardless of their motives.

Personally, I don't care what reason any of them gave for saying they'd take the money, it's the fact that just one HM is being lambasted for it for no other reason than he's outside of the group that Helen has built around her. They are acting like a pack of hyenas, Helen attacks and the rest join in to distract her anger from them.
Scarlet O'Hara
08-08-2014
Originally Posted by Voice of Reason:
“They were ALL cut, edited, and spliced in with each other. We have no way of knowing how many thought processes each of them went through or vocalized before finally saying either yes or no, we only have their word, BB had a full 24 hours to decide what footage to show and what to leave out of the highlights.

Sharing with just Ashleigh & Christopher was ONE option Chris mentioned amongst others, and his remark of "but it wouldn't be interesting if I said no" shows that he DID consider saying no, they just didn't show it as, from BBs POV, that wouldn't be interesting either. They never actually showed him saying "I will take the money" and his final reason for doing so.

He may well also have said "and share it out as agreed". Mark may well have discounted the thought of keeping 5k for himself and said he'd share it as agreed. The point is, WE DON'T KNOW.... and neither do any of the HMs, but they have appointed themselves judge (Helen) and jury (Mark, Ash, Winston & Pav) and found Chris guilty of a crime that 2 of their own number are also guilty of regardless of their motives.

Personally, I don't care what reason any of them gave for saying they'd take the money, it's the fact that just one HM is being lambasted for it for no other reason than he's outside of the group that Helen has built around her. They are acting like a pack of hyenas, Helen attacks and the rest join in to distract her anger from them.”

The issue for Helen was that Chris' justifications were all over the place. If he'd have simply said what Mark and Ash did, "i intended to split it 8 ways", she'd have had to back down. She said over and over to Christopher what the issue was: that Chris' reasoning was different to theirs. Chris sounded shifty and pompous, which didn't help.

Bear in mind also that she'd been primed by sneaky Mark beforehand to expect betrayal. Mark strongly hinted in their 4-way conversation what he'd done and why (not mentioning the extent of his own dishonesty). Ash too was very clear in that conversation that he thought Ashleigh would win and that he didn't think others would share. They'd both psychologically prepped her into believing their motive before it was ever revealed.
wazzyboy
08-08-2014
I do think that it might have occurred to him that the public might have wanted him to put the cat among the pigeons.
Virgil Tracy
08-08-2014
Originally Posted by nagel84:
“Exactly. The sheer brazen hypocrisy of the guy was quite galling. Instead of the agreed 8-way split he claimed he was going to do a 3-way split, which would have of course meant more money for him.”

he's a real slippery weasel this guy , he should run as an MP .
yogacats
08-08-2014
Originally Posted by Voice of Reason:
“They were ALL cut, edited, and spliced in with each other. We have no way of knowing how many thought processes each of them went through or vocalized before finally saying either yes or no, we only have their word, BB had a full 24 hours to decide what footage to show and what to leave out of the highlights.

Sharing with just Ashleigh & Christopher was ONE option Chris mentioned amongst others, and his remark of "but it wouldn't be interesting if I said no" shows that he DID consider saying no, they just didn't show it as, from BBs POV, that wouldn't be interesting either. They never actually showed him saying "I will take the money" and his final reason for doing so.

He may well also have said "and share it out as agreed". Mark may well have discounted the thought of keeping 5k for himself and said he'd share it as agreed. The point is, WE DON'T KNOW.... and neither do any of the HMs, but they have appointed themselves judge (Helen) and jury (Mark, Ash, Winston & Pav) and found Chris guilty of a crime that 2 of their own number are also guilty of regardless of their motives.

Personally, I don't care what reason any of them gave for saying they'd take the money, it's the fact that just one HM is being lambasted for it for no other reason than he's outside of the group that Helen has built around her. They are acting like a pack of hyenas, Helen attacks and the rest join in to distract her anger from them.”



You live up to your username beautifully. Kudos!
atillathehen
08-08-2014
Originally Posted by yogacats:
“Absolutely ..... I have mentioned this before on other threads, but people's 'agendas' make them blind to anything that doesn't fit in with their own blinkered agenda. Also, Winston and Ash wouldn't cut their hair, plus the only one I saw actually drink any of the sh*t was Christopher, yet the other's all think THEY are entitled. Delusional.”

wot a bunch of hypocritical toss-pots they are. It will be fascinating to see how things pan out now with regard to the cook kids' rule break last night and the subsequent punishment of all the house mates. These are nasty, nasty people. Imagine being trapped with them on a desert island, or the big brother house come to that. It would drive anyone maaaaad! No wonder poor Christopher's behaviour has been a bit strange at times.
tff
09-08-2014
Originally Posted by Scarlet O'Hara:
“The issue for Helen was that Chris' justifications were all over the place. If he'd have simply said what Mark and Ash did, "i intended to split it 8 ways", she'd have had to back down. She said over and over to Christopher what the issue was: that Chris' reasoning was different to theirs. Chris sounded shifty and pompous, which didn't help.

Bear in mind also that she'd been primed by sneaky Mark beforehand to expect betrayal. Mark strongly hinted in their 4-way conversation what he'd done and why (not mentioning the extent of his own dishonesty). Ash too was very clear in that conversation that he thought Ashleigh would win and that he didn't think others would share. They'd both psychologically prepped her into believing their motive before it was ever revealed.”

Yes, that conversation was interesting and I think you're right. Mark and Ash were preparing Helen and Winston for the reveal. They took the money because they couldn't trust Chris or Christopher.

So when it turns out that Chris took the money, they were proved right - you can't trust Chris!

It was actually funny - Mark first said that Winston was the only one he could trust and then scrambled to include Ash and Helen. Fancy footwork
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