I don't think any housemates ever since BB1 have had to deal with a more difficult or horrendous experience as this lot have living with Helen for the entire series.

I take my hats off to the survivors of BB14 and they really have my heart felt sympathy.

Don't forget Carole lasted to the finale too and they had Charley for quite a few of those weeks too!

Have you considered that loads of the HMs that have come out liked her in the house and still like her now. . .

It would have been interesting seeing house dynamics if Helen hadn't been in the house or evicted early on as she would have been without the pass. She has been too dominant a personality in the house with people modifying their behaviour around her to make sure they dont get on the wrong side of her. One of the reasons Ashleigh looks like heading for victory is she has been the only HM strong enough to stand up to Helen.

Yep, Carole was as much of a challenge. Hideous oaf of a woman.

As Mark said ' if she let's you in........' they all acknowledged that if she doesn't she is horrendous.

They could at least nominate her and live in hope. Carole wasn't aggresive and abusive like Helen, more manipulative and irritating.

I would much rather live with Helen than Jayne BB7.

Yeah and seeing as they were evicted shows they probably weren't that nice either.

Besides I remember being baffled in school as to why the school bully had so many friends. Did that mean she was a nice person? Seeing as she got expelled for bashing another girls head into a desk says not.

Yep, reigns through fear. Would you cross Hellun in the confines of that small house. That's why I was so delighted that Christopher took her to task Brave lad.

And through the series she has let everyone in, or haven't you noticed?

It was Chris she was supporting when Marlon pressed the button.
It was Jale and Kim who were let in.
It's Pav who is now spending time with her and before that Zoe and Bianca.
Toya was a friend and then turned on her, Matthew didn't have any issue until the fight.

Who has she rejected?

Chris took himself off because he saw Ashleigh free to sniff around.

Interesting that when Chris was drunk and by his own admission flirting with Helen, she didn't reject him nastily, didn't hold it against him, didn't use it against Ashleigh.

The same cannot be said for Ashleigh.

Not arsed about the HMs--but have Viewers ever had to put up with such long-term vileness and evil as watching Helen and her Self-Entitled Crew for a relentless 10 weeks with NO HOPE EVER of evicting her till now??! Worst series EVER.

Yep we were forced by bb to live with her too if we wanted to watch the show. She has been allowed to completely dominate the series. But thankfully we won't have to suffer her for much longer

Did she really let them in though? Everyone talks about her fierce loyalty to those she considers friends. The only ones who've had that privilege are Steve, Mark, Winston and Ash.

Has she been loyal to Chris, Kim and Jale to name a few and Matthew never liked her and was treated appalling.

To try and pretend she has been popular with the majority of the housemates is a little far fetched.

Well lets count numbers

Evicted

Tamara
Pauline
Toya
Jale
Marlon
Bianca
Zoe
Steven
Winston
Mark

Still in the house

Ash
Pav

And when it suits him
Chris

That's twelve who have got on well with Helen.

Yes living with Nadia and Marco in bb5 detested both of them could cope with living with Helen easily.

Originally Posted by Speak-Softly:
“Well lets count numbers

Evicted

Tamara
Pauline
Toya
Jale
Marlon
Bianca
Zoe
Steven
Winston
Mark”

and all evicted. She certainly has a touch and it's not midas

Except for the golden barge

Spot on. I think the reason Ash and Winston were always behind her (literally standing behind her) and laughing their heads off when she was tearing someone to shreds was because they were so glad they were in her little gang so not getting the same treatment. Christopher and Ashleigh are not cowed by her after all these weeks living with her and I applaud them for that.

Perhaps she should be blamed for the whole BB format where evicting anybody is seen as Helen's fault?

Shall we compare numbers for Ashleigh?

Close to and evicted

Toya
Matthew
Danielle

Close to and not evicted

Christopher
Chris.

There isn't anybody else in the house that has even really figured on Ashleigh's radar.

Perhaps Ashleigh has the real kiss of death?
Can we apply the same reasoning, if Ashleigh lets you in she's loyal (ha, after Danielle going that's laughable) but she rejects most and makes their lives miserable by bitching non stop about them.

Oh gawd carol,,in charge of the food,and put most of it away for herself lol Woe betide them if they dared to try and cook a meal without her permission

True but this thread is about living with Helen, not watching her on TV. The majority of HM's (11 out of 17) have all got on really well with her - probably more than have got on with the likes of viewers favourites such as Ashleigh or Chris.

I think it's very telling that the 3 newcomers all went into the house with an extremely negative view of Helen, yet she turned their opinion around and pretty quickly. Usually when this kind of thing happens it's the edit that gets the blame - strangely it's rarely had a mention this year, probably as it doesn't suit the forum narrative.



Personally I'd have found those screeching harpies, the lipgloss bitches the worst to live with. Also Kathreya, for similar reasons.

I have a feeling Pauline would have been much the same if she had stayed - ruling the kitchen with an iron fist.

I don't know about yours, but my TV has an OFF button.

There have been many, many far worse to live with housemates than Helen. Often the people who shout and scream and attack have zero ability to understand another person's way of thinking or feeling. Helen is aggressive when angry, but she is capable of reasoning and seeing another point of view when she wants to listen. And when she's not drunk she doesn't argue often. Barring the first few weeks when (a lot due to Pauline's words) Helen didn't trust people she hasn't had that many arguments... particularly not that many when you take away the ones Big Brother initiated by their stirring! It's just that when she does have an argument it's a massive screaming battle with all her vitriol directed towards her target.


I think Helen has let most people in in there. You're right that she is not so far as friends with some as she doesn't trust them fully, but she's certainly supported Chris a lot, she's been friendly with Ashleigh and has seemed to like her for a time, she got on with Christopher even for a while. These three (actually excluding Chris whom Helen has gotten on with for longer than the others) are the ones she gets on least with, but she's not been against them the whole time.

I'd argue that since Helen heard Chris' reasoning for doing the show back in the week the girls had the power ages ago she's possibly had more nice things to say about Chris than he has her. Not that he hasn't and nice things to say too. But I think he's probably done more bitching about Helen than she has about him.

Anyway, there are a lot more awful people to be living with who have been in the house in the past. Helen has her flaws, but the hatred towards her I feel has been inflated due to her pass to the final meaning there has been no chance to get rid of her and also her past.

Just in this year's show Pauline was clearly worse to live with and I think Toya had become so before she left as well.