There's a fair bit of sneering at Pav and how he might "jump ship" and befriend Ashleigh, Christopher and Chris on here at the moment. I have to say, I'm confused.

The people Pav has nominated in there are Ash, Chris, Mark and Winston. Three of the four are Helen's friends. He nominated Mark and Winston as recently as this past week.

He's defended Christopher more than once. He stuck up for him the night Mark threw the potato at him, and last night he spoke up when Helen was starting on Christopher before that task had even begun. How does this illustrate someone who's firmly on Helen's side?

As soon as he merely sits with them and shares a negative opinion on Ashleigh (she's hardly exempt), people are up in arms about how he's joined "the dark side". Really? Do people just choose to ignore everything else? It's like the things that people don't like matter more.

The way I see it, Pav isn't on either side. That said, if he does join one, including Helen's side (which I'd hope not because I'm really not a fan), fans of neither side can really be annoyed, considering neither side have been strong allies to him anyway. Sure, he doesn't owe Helen etc any loyalty, but likewise, he doesn't owe anything to Ashleigh, Chris and Christopher either. (And for the record, I like those three).

(I started my own thread on the matter because it turned into quite a longer post than I anticipated ).

He hasn't joined sides.

He's spending time with the people who will give him the time of day.

To avoid the acknowledgement that certain HM will not give some HM the time of day, this nonsense about sides is started.

depends does he wana sit on the same bed as chris and ashleigh and bitch all day or does he want have fun with helen and do what the want, but if he wants to win he will have to suck up to ashleigh side and have boring week

Good post. I agree, I don't perceive him as being on anybody's side.
He is the most decent HM in there, alongside Christopher.

Perhaps its a case of keep your friends close and your enemies closer. I think he's playing his own game. I also imagine he's a bit nervous of being around Ashleigh in case of misinterpretation. Chris planted the seed there which was a cunning low blow from Chris and is why the tag creepy Chris is deserving. Chris had no compunction in casting those same aspersions on pav. I would like pav to have gone in sooner, he would have been an interesting hm . I don't think he has aligned himself with anyone and seems to have got their measure. I do wish he'd do more if I'm honest but understand why he can't. He'd do best to spend his time with Christopher.

It must have been his double who was sitting in smoker's corner with Team Helen merrily bitching away about Ashleigh.

Yes he is decent and I think he likes Ash and has to put up with Helen,to be in Ash's company.

Helen does her sniping at him in the guise of " I'm only joking ".

I think Pav is his own person and judges each situation on his interpretation of the facts and not the personalities involved.

Completely agree. Had Pav been in there from the start, I reckon him and Christopher would have become friends and the dynamic would have been different to how it is now.

I think people forget that Pav is actually the true Essex boy in there and people like Winston and Ash are probably more familiar character to him as being the sort of types he's grown up amongst.

Anyway, could we blame him for not wanting to get close to Ashleigh and Chris after how the latter basically warned him off of the former? Just a shame it means he can't get to spend more time with Christopher because of that

Because he wasn't sitting with Helen and Ash in the garden when they were bitching. I must have imagined that.

Pav has a choice, Bitch with Christopher, Ashleigh & Chris or Bitch with Helen & Ash.

He's already joined in bitching sessions with the Dark side, so I guess that where he chooses to be.

He's also nominated members of "the dark side" and vocally defended Christopher more than once, so I guess not.

This is my whole question, why does an instance of sitting with them and sharing an opinion in someone who's never liked him either negate everything else?

He joined the dark side after F&F noms.

Oh so Pav talks about ppl behind their backs it's sharing opinion but if Chris, Christopher or Ashleigh does the same it's called bitching lol

I think Pav, like most humans, doesn't want to sit in the house alone in a corner all day. He's found a few people who are willing to talk to him - welcoming him, keep him company and 'let him in' ... those people aren't Chris and Ashleigh. I also think that Pav's more fun-loving than we have seen and there is a bit more fun to be had around the guys - formerly Winston and still Ash, along with Helen and Mark, than there is around Chris and Ashleigh.

ETA: We have also seen him enjoying Christopher's company and Christopher enjoying his, probably a nice change for Christopher to have some different company. They all could have enjoyed getting to know a new person but never saw the positive side of having a fresh face around, instead many of them choosing to look at it from a negative point-of-view.

Did you miss the part in my OP where I said I like Chris, Christopher and Ashleigh? Don't put words in my mouth, please. I'm well aware Pav was bitching about Ashleigh, they all bitch, all of them have done their share about him.

And that theory of joining sides after nominations still doesn't entirely work, he spoke up when Helen was ranting about Christopher as recently as last night's show.

And as I said, even IF he does join their side, fans of the other three can hardly complain, just like fans of Helen and co would have no right to complain if he chose Chris, Christopher and Ashleigh. None of them have done anything to earn his undying loyalty.

bib - exactly. Any friendships he makes in there he's worked hard for, the only person I saw really accept him and welcome him was Christopher. I do get the feeling that he's accepted as part of Helen and Ash's friendship group (for want of a better term) because they prefer having him with them making up the numbers than him being a part of the other group. Her snide remarks to him hardly sound friendly.

No i don't think he's joined a side i missed have missed much of the sneering then. I've seen people say he looked like he might be joining the Helen group or edging that way. I've said that too.

But i don't think he has properly joined any group as such.

Also a lot of housemates try to say things to impress the Helen crew at times for whatever reason. Remember the thing he said about Ashleigh Ash started that of not Pav.

Being a fan of Ashleigh i think he still likes her anyway. And the bottom line as i say , I don't think he's joined any group properly at all.

Pav thinks he's joined the dark side, but he's kidding himself if he thinks they accept him as a member. I loved the way he turned up to see his new mates and they'd all buggered off through the fire door.

Great post OP I very much agree and have been saying as much on the forum to what seems like deaf ears.


I agree with this and there is even more to it than that. On one of the videos after the break out etc Chris and Ashleigh were talking and I saw Pav move out of the room and Ashleigh sneer at him. Chris was standing up for him sort of but if Pav has any idea of Ashleigh'e sneery attitude towards him, which I'm sure he has no wonder we only really sem him relaxed around Helen's group.

A couple of other things too. On yesterday's highlight's show when Chris took to his bed because of all the negativity towards Christopher in the task he said 'everyone' was having a go and failed to mention how Pav was the ONLY one who actually said anything to Helen. Also there is a video where Chris is calling all of the others not human after they threw bananas around the bedroom but yet again Pav wasn't involved in that but Chris appears to be lumping them all together in one team

Basically Ashleigh and Chris have decided Pav isn't worthy of their group and have forced his hand on where to spend his time and as Helen for all her AWFUL faults actually allows him to join in what else is he supposed to do


One of his points was that he believes Ashleigh knows she is going to win but won't admit it. I thought that was almost an astute a point as Ashleigh might come up with about someone else The only difference is we'd get to see her lovely sneering face and no doubt have few 'dick's etc thrown in

pav does seem to speak up when things are unfair, I have liked him so far, but he did pick a side because when Christopher had his quote about cliques read out during the task he mentioned the cool gang being Helen ash and winston with mark flitting between the two, and pav spoke up to say that he was in that group too, I really think he was desperate to be included in the cool gang especially friends with ash and winston , I think his nomination of winston was his frustration of not being allowed in

Mark included him the "us" team when describing the "them" and "us" split.

Whether she knows/thinks it or not only she can say but she would be stupid to admit it if so. In doing so she would immediately be branded as arrogant - the downfall of many a favourite. Nor is it astute for Pav to think she is a favourite to win given that she was before he entered the house.

Good point he did. And now i've seen trevor tiger's post exaggerate things again. I'm changing my mind you know what Helen fans can keep Helen Ash and Pav if they want.

Totally agree!!!!

As I recall that is exactly what Jale said. Who wants to go sit a corner all day bitching. I quite like Pav, or at least have not yet seen anything to make me think he is not a perfectly nice guy. As usual though it's all about Helen on here and who is percieved to be in with her.............unless it's Chris and Ashleigh of course as they seem to be exempt from any negativity.