I think if you are her pal, she is fiercely loyal. If you are not, she will destroy you. It's all a matter of whether your character is such that watching your friend destroy people is okay. These people were obviously okay with that....
Has Helen been the victim of unfair editing ?
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Originally Posted by big_erm:
“Pauline wrote on twitter she also wants Helen to win.”
“Pauline wrote on twitter she also wants Helen to win.”
That reinforces the point made previously that most of the ex-HMs are not very intelligent or likeable, so it's no surprise they are generally supporting Helen.
Originally Posted by Daisy Bennyboots:
“I was thinking about this yesterday. I don't think the production company are telling them who to support or anything like that.
I think, possibly, Helen is a complex character and, unlike us, they have seen all sides to her and understand her much better than we do.”
“I was thinking about this yesterday. I don't think the production company are telling them who to support or anything like that.
I think, possibly, Helen is a complex character and, unlike us, they have seen all sides to her and understand her much better than we do.”
This seems to be the most likely theory so far imo.
When we've had the live feed campaigns on here the suggestion is that we need LF as it's the only way to get a true and full idea of the HM's personalities/characters. With no live feed we are just being told what to think and who to like by the production team.
Never in the history of the show has there been such a disparity between the opinions of the ex-HMs and the viewers - yet few of us seem to be questioning the edit. Nobody seems to think we are being 'told what to think' - does this mean too much importance has been placed on live feed over the years and we don't really need it after all ?
I'm sure Helen is caring and loyal to those HMs she likes or kowtow to her. The thing is she is a real harridan when it comes to anyone who she chooses to dislike or who fail to show her due homage. Everything is black and white whereas most people with social skills are prepared to operate in the grey area.
Originally Posted by saywhatyousee:
“I think if you are her pal, she is fiercely loyal. If you are not, she will destroy you. It's all a matter of whether your character is such that watching your friend destroy people is okay. These people were obviously okay with that....”
“I think if you are her pal, she is fiercely loyal. If you are not, she will destroy you. It's all a matter of whether your character is such that watching your friend destroy people is okay. These people were obviously okay with that....”
Well said.
Anyone that would put any store on what any of that lot have to say, need their heads examined.
Originally Posted by WeeJintyMcGinty:
“It's interesting to see who the ex-HMs are backing to win the show...
Steven - Helen
Kim - Helen
Mark - Helen
Jale - Helen
Bianca - Helen
Tamara - Helen
Winston - Ash
Toya - Ashleigh
Danielle - Ashleigh (presumably)
Matthew - Christopher
Oh that is interesting
Zoe seems to be supporting Pav or Helen (I think). I'm not sure about Pauline and Marlon.
Helen's overwhelming popularity with the majority of those who got to know her by actually living with her is at complete odds with the general impressions of us the viewers who've only had very brief and selectively edited highlights to go on.
Surely this calls into question the way she's been edited on the show ?”
“It's interesting to see who the ex-HMs are backing to win the show...
Steven - Helen
Kim - Helen
Mark - Helen
Jale - Helen
Bianca - Helen
Tamara - Helen
Winston - Ash
Toya - Ashleigh
Danielle - Ashleigh (presumably)
Matthew - Christopher
Oh that is interesting
Zoe seems to be supporting Pav or Helen (I think). I'm not sure about Pauline and Marlon.
Helen's overwhelming popularity with the majority of those who got to know her by actually living with her is at complete odds with the general impressions of us the viewers who've only had very brief and selectively edited highlights to go on.
Surely this calls into question the way she's been edited on the show ?”
Oh that is interesting
Originally Posted by WeeJintyMcGinty:
“This seems to be the most likely theory so far imo.
When we've had the live feed campaigns on here the suggestion is that we need LF as it's the only way to get a true and full idea of the HM's personalities/characters. With no live feed we are just being told what to think and who to like by the production team.
Never in the history of the show has there been such a disparity between the opinions of the ex-HMs and the viewers - yet few of us seem to be questioning the edit. Nobody seems to think we are being 'told what to think' - does this mean too much importance has been placed on live feed over the years and we don't really need it after all ?”
“This seems to be the most likely theory so far imo.
When we've had the live feed campaigns on here the suggestion is that we need LF as it's the only way to get a true and full idea of the HM's personalities/characters. With no live feed we are just being told what to think and who to like by the production team.
Never in the history of the show has there been such a disparity between the opinions of the ex-HMs and the viewers - yet few of us seem to be questioning the edit. Nobody seems to think we are being 'told what to think' - does this mean too much importance has been placed on live feed over the years and we don't really need it after all ?”
You may be correct but as I stated earlier, I place no relevance on the views of the evicted HMs named because at best, I find them unpalatable and at worst, I can't stick them. Of course that may be editing as well but it's also what I've seen since they emerged from the house.
Helen may have been badly edited (we have no way of knowing this) but citing the views of the aforementioned HMs as evidence doesn't go in any way towards proving it for me.
Originally Posted by Scarlett Berry:
“Well said. Anyone that would put any store on what any of that lot have to say, need their heads examined.”
“Well said.
Anyone that would put any store on what any of that lot have to say, need their heads examined.”
Maybe they've been poorly edited too. Maybe the whole production has been weighted in favour of getting Ashleigh, Chris and Christopher as the top 3 and we've all been 'told what to think'.
Originally Posted by tabithakitten:
“Steven, Kimberly, Biannca, Mark, Tamara, Jale.
I place more faith in the opinions of an amoeba with special needs.”
“Steven, Kimberly, Biannca, Mark, Tamara, Jale.
I place more faith in the opinions of an amoeba with special needs.”
Thanks for the laugh.
Why am I finding this so incomprehensible or seemingly they are still frightened of her as she has it all set up to get into CBB ?
Originally Posted by tabithakitten:
“Steven, Kimberly, Biannca, Mark, Tamara, Jale.
I place more faith in the opinions of an amoeba with special needs.”
“Steven, Kimberly, Biannca, Mark, Tamara, Jale.
I place more faith in the opinions of an amoeba with special needs.”
The great public they know how to vote.
LOL
Originally Posted by WeeJintyMcGinty:
“It's interesting to see who the ex-HMs are backing to win the show...
Steven - Helen
Kim - Helen
Mark - Helen
Jale - Helen
Bianca - Helen
Tamara - Helen
Winston - Ash
Toya - Ashleigh
Danielle - Ashleigh (presumably)
Matthew - Christophe
Zoe seems to be supporting Pav or Helen (I think). I'm not sure about Pauline and Marlon.
Helen's overwhelming popularity with the majority of those who got to know her by actually living with her is at complete odds with the general impressions of us the viewers who've only had very brief and selectively edited highlights to go on.
Surely this calls into question the way she's been edited on the show ?”
“It's interesting to see who the ex-HMs are backing to win the show...
Steven - Helen
Kim - Helen
Mark - Helen
Jale - Helen
Bianca - Helen
Tamara - Helen
Winston - Ash
Toya - Ashleigh
Danielle - Ashleigh (presumably)
Matthew - Christophe
Zoe seems to be supporting Pav or Helen (I think). I'm not sure about Pauline and Marlon.
Helen's overwhelming popularity with the majority of those who got to know her by actually living with her is at complete odds with the general impressions of us the viewers who've only had very brief and selectively edited highlights to go on.
Surely this calls into question the way she's been edited on the show ?”
think jale is supporting christpher and so is dannielle
Originally Posted by JVS:
“It was one way or the other in the house - you were either in favour with Helen or you weren't. If you weren't life could be uncomfortable, even scary. Most HMs ingratiated themselves with her for their own survival.
Maybe they did learn to like her nicer side - after all, they weren't on the receiving end of her temper. It's not exactly a surprise, even school bullies have friends.”
“It was one way or the other in the house - you were either in favour with Helen or you weren't. If you weren't life could be uncomfortable, even scary. Most HMs ingratiated themselves with her for their own survival.
Maybe they did learn to like her nicer side - after all, they weren't on the receiving end of her temper. It's not exactly a surprise, even school bullies have friends.”
I agree. It also amazes me how full of herself she is. Thinking she is so entertaining and interesting to watch. Cannot get over herself.
Originally Posted by jackyo55:
“think jale is supporting christpher and so is dannielle”
“think jale is supporting christpher and so is dannielle”
Wow so Ashleigh has only one hm supporting her............Seemingly no one has yet realised just how far Helen's influence extends.
Originally Posted by tabithakitten:
“Steven, Kimberly, Biannca, Mark, Tamara, Jale.
I place more faith in the opinions of an amoeba with special needs.”
“Steven, Kimberly, Biannca, Mark, Tamara, Jale.
I place more faith in the opinions of an amoeba with special needs.”
Steven - survived one eviction with Pauline (a public target) up, out at first real opportunity
Kim - would probably have been out at the first opportunity if she hadn't pulled a sickie.
Biannca - out first opportunity
Mark - survived one vote with ash and matthew in the mix, out at first real opportunity
Tamara - first up, first out
Jale - survived first eviction on a sympathy vote, two others with Pauline & Toya up (both public targets) - out at the first real opportunity
A pretty memorable fan club.
Originally Posted by Moo_Chops:
“Stockholm syndrome ?”
“Stockholm syndrome ?
”
Precisely. They were a gutless bunch of wimps who were afraid of her.
Originally Posted by jackyo55:
“think jale is supporting christpher and so is dannielle”
“think jale is supporting christpher and so is dannielle”
I'm not one for twitter so only took a brief look and Jale seemed to be retweeting a lot of 'Helen to win' tweets. I didn't look at Danielle's - I wonder why she's not backing Ashleigh.
Considering Ashleigh is the overwhelming favourite in the online polls it's very unusual that only 1 out of 13 ex-HMs want her to win. Has this ever happened before ? Is it down to the edit ?
Originally Posted by WeeJintyMcGinty:
“I'm not one for twitter so only took a brief look and Jale seemed to be retweeting a lot of 'Helen to win' tweets. I didn't look at Danielle's - I wonder why she's not backing Ashleigh.
Considering Ashleigh is the overwhelming favourite in the online polls it's very unusual that only 1 out of 13 ex-HMs want her to win. Has this ever happened before ? Is it down to the edit ?”
“I'm not one for twitter so only took a brief look and Jale seemed to be retweeting a lot of 'Helen to win' tweets. I didn't look at Danielle's - I wonder why she's not backing Ashleigh.
Considering Ashleigh is the overwhelming favourite in the online polls it's very unusual that only 1 out of 13 ex-HMs want her to win. Has this ever happened before ? Is it down to the edit ?”
Maybe its down to most people who would support her are still in the house but those that don't have been evicted.
Originally Posted by BabelBrook:
“Maybe its down to most people who would support her are still in the house but those that don't have been evicted.”
“Maybe its down to most people who would support her are still in the house but those that don't have been evicted.
”
Oh yes I'm sure Chris would, probably Christopher now too. It's still only a measly 3 out of a possible 18 though. Very unusual.
Ex HMs are often very fickle with their support and desperate to get onside with the public and/or hang off the coat-tails of who might win. Sometimes they even abandon their supposed favourite in their eviction interview once they've found out which way the wind blows - Gerry in BB8 springs to mind. Helen's support and popularity amongst the ex-HMs has been pretty much unwavering, which must be a first. What could be the reason ? Why are so many of them so loyal to her, when it'd be so easy to turn on her and get some reflected glory by kowtowing to public opinion ? For all their faults, this must be the least fickle and most loyal bunch of ex-HMs yet.
Originally Posted by WeeJintyMcGinty:
“It's interesting to see who the ex-HMs are backing to win the show...
Steven - Helen
Kim - Helen
Mark - Helen
Jale - Helen
Bianca - Helen
Tamara - Helen
Winston - Ash
Toya - Ashleigh
Danielle - Ashleigh (presumably)
Matthew - Christopher
Zoe seems to be supporting Pav or Helen (I think). I'm not sure about Pauline and Marlon.
Helen's overwhelming popularity with the majority of those who got to know her by actually living with her is at complete odds with the general impressions of us the viewers who've only had very brief and selectively edited highlights to go on.
Surely this calls into question the way she's been edited on the show ?”
“It's interesting to see who the ex-HMs are backing to win the show...
Steven - Helen
Kim - Helen
Mark - Helen
Jale - Helen
Bianca - Helen
Tamara - Helen
Winston - Ash
Toya - Ashleigh
Danielle - Ashleigh (presumably)
Matthew - Christopher
Zoe seems to be supporting Pav or Helen (I think). I'm not sure about Pauline and Marlon.
Helen's overwhelming popularity with the majority of those who got to know her by actually living with her is at complete odds with the general impressions of us the viewers who've only had very brief and selectively edited highlights to go on.
Surely this calls into question the way she's been edited on the show ?”
All of her warnings were not as a result of her being badly edited.They were due to her behaviour. Needless to say, we saw 1 warning that i can recall
Several of those Helen "supporters" said Helen was hard to live with after they came out. So they contradict themselves. Its called jumping on the bandwagon most of them were in Helen's "gang" because once in... they dare not leave it even if they ever wanted too.
And they wrongly thought it was the "best" place to be at the time.
And they wrongly thought it was the "best" place to be at the time.
The one word wonders are also very interesting .. can only seem to find the below ..
Fo Helen
Winston - Misunderstood
Mark - Loyal
Biannca - Amazing
Zoe - Golden barge
Kimberley - Honest
For Ashleigh
Winston - Brat
Mark - Clever
Biannca - Beautiful hair
Zoe - Shady
Kimberley - Hypocrite
Now considering everybody in the house said Winston is the best judge of character .. maybe the edit is only showing one side to Helen ..
Fo Helen
Winston - Misunderstood
Mark - Loyal
Biannca - Amazing
Zoe - Golden barge
Kimberley - Honest
For Ashleigh
Winston - Brat
Mark - Clever
Biannca - Beautiful hair
Zoe - Shady
Kimberley - Hypocrite
Now considering everybody in the house said Winston is the best judge of character .. maybe the edit is only showing one side to Helen ..
Originally Posted by jp761:
“Several of those Helen "supporters" said Helen was hard to live with after they came out. So they contradict themselves.”
“Several of those Helen "supporters" said Helen was hard to live with after they came out. So they contradict themselves.”
Not really. My own wife can be hard to live with at times, I still love her more than any other person on the entire planet,.
Being 'hard to live with' is pretty tame really compared to what they could have said about someone the public seems to view as a monster. Not one of them has had a complete volte face as has happened in previous years once public opinion has been gauged or HL footage watched.
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